That list isn't all that impressive. It's what your average organization looks like in terms of pitching depth. The only special arm in that group is Jose Fernandez. Fernandez is expected to miss a couple of months in '15, and you don't know exactly how he's going to comeback.

 

A lot of those guys project to be average/below average SP's at the big league level long-term. We should be keeping whatever depth we have unless it's a trade we can't pass up. For what it's worth, you did leave Cosart off the list although it doesn't necessarily make it a lot more impressive by putting him on it.

 

Like I said, when 4-5 of those guys on that list are already quality SP's who have proven they can pitch in a big league rotation at least at an average level they don't need to be projected as anything more than average, not to mention there is always surprise arms that can be successful (Tom Koehler was never supposed to be a quality major league arm).

 

Heaney isn't even included in those 4-5 guys and he's the best left handed pitching prospect in baseball.

Desclafani will either become a very good reliever or a solid back end of the rotation guy.

Nicolino doesnt strike very many guys out this year but you can't exactly argue with the results and scouts have said that even despite of this he is incredibly advanced already in terms of his control and his intelligence with how to work hitters.

 

Urena has put up great numbers just like he has for every year since he was signed by us and doesnt walk many people and has at least a very solid K rate.Not to mention he is still just 22 and has put up great numbers this year in AA.

 

Conley before the injuries this year looked great and if you look at his numbers in Jupiter and Jacksonville the last 2 years before the injuries this year there is no reason to say he couldn't at least be average in the rotation or a great bullpen arm.

 

Trevor Williams is just a 2nd round pick from last year who has put up a sub-3 era and while he hasn't had an amazing K rate, its still been pretty good and he doesnt walk very many people at all while at the same time going deep into games already.

 

Im not saying we have 12 aces here, I'm saying that because 4 and maybe if you believe in Brad Hand's recent success 5 pitchers that are already having success at the major league level and the amount of quality bullpen arm's we already have, not all of those guys are going to be given opportunities at the big league level and can be used as trade chips to acquire hitting talent.

 

Tom Koehler should absolutely be used in trade talks this offseason considering we have a lot of young SP and we need infield help badly. Erick you have said you think they are just going to sign a speedy 2b and call it an offseason for the most part, so what exactly do you think we are going to do with all these pitchers considering we don't exactly have very much room for bullpen arms if these guys don't fit in the rotation? At the very least Desclafani, Nicolino, maybe Urena and even Flynn could be considered big league ready by the start of the year next year.

 

Also as far as Jose Fernandez. While yes,tommy john surgery is never good, I don't really have much of a doubt that Jose will be able to come back from that successfully and at least still be a good pitcher (although the jury is obviously still out to see if he can be a phenom again). Everything that kid has done in his pro career has told you he's not a normal human being and he will be just fine, albeit he is going to miss a few months next year. Im not usually a guy who gets sentimental and says things like believe in so and so, but after everything Jose has done since he's been in the organization, you're going to bet against that guy?

 

So to recap: when all of Eovaldi, Alvarez, Koehler, Hand, Fernandez have already shown you that they can be quality major league starting pitchers and you also have the top lefty pitching prospect in baseball as well as multiple other guys who could work out to be just average major league arms, then we can afford to trade 1-2 of those guys away if it can help us find long term improvements in the infield.

 

Edit- Completely forgot about Cosart too so thats yet another major league quality SP who scouts even said last week when he was traded that he will get better and fits as a middle of the rotation arm. We have depth.

We have great sp depth not sure what you're talking about

 

I don't think that the Marlins have satisfactory depth at any position. The farm system is absolutely terrible right now. I cannot remember the last time it was this bad.

Just throwing it out there...

 

Vince0926 and fish14 are definitely the exact same person. Twinsies. For sure.

 

I don't think so, but I still think Vince is SomethingFishy.

i said in my first post i am h2r09 and my account got locked out because when Admin did something that required the email we signed up with i couldn't keep that handle because i don't have the password to that email anymore

Just throwing it out there...

 

Vince0926 and fish14 are definitely the exact same person. Twinsies. For sure.

 

You shut your whore mouth!

I don't think so, but I still think Vince is SomethingFishy.

 

No.

i said in my first post i am h2r09 and my account got locked out because when Admin did something that required the email we signed up with i couldn't keep that handle because i don't have the password to that email anymore

 

You know Admin can still give you access to your old account right? Just email him

How bout we get a hitter that looks for more than just fastballs.

How bout we get a hitter that looks for more than just fastballs.

 

You mean you don't want Dan Uggla?

I don't think so, but I still think Vince is SomethingFishy.

 

If you look at his page, he had a conversation with GoFishGoMs, who I made a fake twitter about in 2011 because he was so god damn annoying. And he was likely part of that Old Timer brigade.

I remember GoFishGoMs. Vince is a lot like him.

They don't have any assets in the minors to trade for anyone impactful. Their only chip is Cishek, who should bring a good young infielder (which also opens up salary so papa loria doesn't have to radically increase payroll for Stanton's raise).

 

They need to hold onto the starting pitching until Fernandez is back healthy, Heaney establishes himself, they figure out if Cosart is going to be good (I have doubts), and they figure out if Koehler/Hand/Flynn/Conley/DeScalfani/whoever is real and could be a 4/5 starting pitcher (likely only one of them if that). Basically, their SP "depth" is going to exist or not exist after the 2015 season. That's when an offensive trade can happen if they have 6-8 good SP ala Oakland.

 

Trade Cishek, get another guy there and then see how things look at the deadline to add. That's the best option, barring a Stanton trade which brings in 4-5 young guys and they then have an extra chunk of salary to also sign a veteran (not suggesting, just saying thats the game changer).

I remember GoFishGoMs. Vince is a lot like him.

 

I don't remember him. Was he banned?

4 more days until I say I verbally have my AA in accounting!!

I don't remember him. Was he banned?

 

How can you not remember him? He's textbook example of what you would like least.

How can you not remember him? He's textbook example of what you would like least.

 

He seemed like a noble kid. He meant well at least.

I'm pretty sure he called me Ericka numerous times.

How can you not remember him? He's textbook example of what you would like least.

 

We've had so many annoying, troll-type members here and I can't keep up.

Erick, can you do the thread today for the game?

He seemed like a noble kid. He meant well at least.

 

"Noble" is an interesting way to describe anyone on a web forum.

 

I think Erick is cool. Erick, you are noble. I salute you.

I'm expecting a Lurry for being noble. That's an award, right?

I once got a Lurry for "Best fan of another team"...still not sure how that happened.

Gizzy's are where it's at.

I once got a Lurry for "Best fan of another team"...still not sure how that happened.

 

That should go to Penguino... Lolololol