SonOfJack Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 [No message] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Truth is, in the World Series, you want to be the team facing Darvish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I vehemently disagree. Maybe not WS, but a 85-90 win team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I vehemently disagree. Maybe not WS, but a 85-90 win team Either that or given our complete and utter lack of depth we were an injury or 2 from being right back where we were with more future salary obligations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Either that or given our complete and utter lack of depth we were an injury or 2 from being right back where we were with more future salary obligations. or they win the WS. this is a fun game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 im okay with tear down, but i also think they would have been a strong team with a few SP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 or they win the WS. this is a fun game or they dont get career years out of Stanton and Ozuna, Stanton doesnt stay healthy for the first time in his career, a SP they sign isnt as effective as they wanted or gets hurt like Chen and they are in a worse place than they already were. You cant point to one team who ever won anything of significance with the kind of lack of organizational depth like we had. It's the exact reason why we have had that one-two months every single year for years now where we completely shit the bed. This team wasnt winning anything regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricOwens! Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Once you make the playoffs you're a legit WS contender. We could've made the playoffs with Darvish and another mid rotation piece. It's silly to think otherwise. Doesn't mean the rebuild was a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Once you make the playoffs you're a legit WS contender. We could've made the playoffs with Darvish and another mid rotation piece. It's silly to think otherwise. Doesn't mean the rebuild was a bad idea. I can agree with that, i just think asking a small market team already hemorrhaging money to add what would be likely 35 million dollars at least on a team with an already $140 million payroll is beyond unrealistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 The old core never came close to making the playoffs. And all the guys who were traded away had career years last year (well, except for Yelich who basically demanded a trade). Even if 2 SP’s maybe get them to the playoffs (unlikely), it’s still a terrible long-term strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SixYearItch Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 A little tired of the straw man arguments I keep reading about how the team would have never contended. The team was dismantled because pitching ace #1 tragically got himself killed and #2 has been forever sidelined by an elbow injury he won't surgically repair. With the lineup they had, add 2 mid-rotation starters (which in this market would not have run 35M), instead of trotting out the 6 ERA types we had to vomit watching, and we're wild card contenders. No problem trading Dee. Not having another career year from Stanton and Yelich would not have eliminated us from contention, you'd be adding back Prado's bat and not expecting that Boor would be out for 2 months and be replaced by a dude (Tyler Moore) who could only hit 140 and drive in 2 runs during that time. The long term strategy to me is how they draft and their international pool signings, which don't require a tear down. And hopefully Garrett and Rogers turn out to be decent MLB starters. Project Wolverine told me all I need to know about where this team was being taken. A bitter and unnecessary pill to take but I've swallowed it. I'll always root for this team and hope they surprise and eventually fulfill the expectations of the front office, Fish20, et al . But my feelings are a lot closer to Cote that to the sunshine pumpers of the fire sale that populate this board, god bless you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CHRISTYTOD Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Thank you! God bless you as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 A little tired of the straw man arguments I keep reading about how the team would have never contended. The team was dismantled because pitching ace #1 tragically got himself killed and #2 has been forever sidelined by an elbow injury he won't surgically repair. With the lineup they had, add 2 mid-rotation starters (which in this market would not have run 35M), instead of trotting out the 6 ERA types we had to vomit watching, and we're wild card contenders. No problem trading Dee. Not having another career year from Stanton and Yelich would not have eliminated us from contention, you'd be adding back Prado's bat and not expecting that Boor would be out for 2 months and be replaced by a dude (Tyler Moore) who could only hit 140 and drive in 2 runs during that time. The long term strategy to me is how they draft and their international pool signings, which don't require a tear down. And hopefully Garrett and Rogers turn out to be decent MLB starters. Project Wolverine told me all I need to know about where this team was being taken. A bitter and unnecessary pill to take but I've swallowed it. I'll always root for this team and hope they surprise and eventually fulfill the expectations of the front office, Fish20, et al . But my feelings are a lot closer to Cote that to the sunshine pumpers of the fire sale that populate this board, god bless you all. Jose Fernandez isn’t coming back and neither is Chen’s arm. So, again, the core of Stanton/Yelich/Ozuna had no shot to contend realistically. Couldn’t even get a winning season out of them last year despite the fact they were pretty much at their best. The let’s throw $250+ million at Darvish/Arrieta idea sounds like a great video game solution, but this is real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 The old core never came close to making the playoffs. And all the guys who were traded away had career years last year (well, except for Yelich who basically demanded a trade). Even if 2 SP’s maybe get them to the playoffs (unlikely), it’s still a terrible long-term strategy. on the career years - those guys were all hitting their peaks and there's no reason shouldn't continue that. i agree it's a terrible strategy. my point is that the healey's post is full of shit is all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 on the career years - those guys were all hitting their peaks and there's no reason shouldn't continue that. i agree it's a terrible strategy. my point is that the healey's post is full of shit is all My point on the career years is that it’s unrealistic to expect better. If you get a repeat, we all saw what that led to last year. Last year (another losing record), we saw what that core could do with everything going rather perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Leo Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Signing Arrieta or Darvish along with a Vargas or Lynn type player could very well get us to the playoffs. Chen could return to form. Strailey stays solid. Bour stays healthy all year and you have a legit top 10 offense. You can also argue that with what we have right now Chen returns to his Orioles day form, Strailey improves, we unearth the next dontrelle Willis and surprises abound with our offense and young OF’ers and led by a 40 HR season by Bour and JT and Rojas improve and Ziegler becomes the next surprising veteran in a long line of them for the marlins to turn in a career year. See where I’m going with this? You can’t know for sure. No one here can say any of this for a fact because players regress, they get injured, they die (yikes). The marlins are doing the most likely scenario for building an affordable lasting competitive team with depth. No one can or should argue against that. Hopefully that’s really their goal. The rest is all second guessing and pretending you’re Marty McFly and you came from the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Healey has quickly become my favorite marlins beat writer. Have no idea when he started following the team, but he is good. What ever happened to Joe Capozzi too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfJack Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 What ever happened to Joe Capozzi too? PBPost eliminated their beat writer position for the fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 PBPost eliminated their beat writer position for the fish. wow didnt even realize that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 PBPost eliminated their beat writer position for the fish. Capozzi probably put in a trade request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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