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According to a news report, Sinclair Broadcasting has agreed to buy the Fox Regional Sports Networks for about $10 Billion. Sinclair owns Stadium which is 24/7 sports network that specializes in highlighting Group of 5 NCAA programs with live events from C-USA, Sun Belt, Mountain West, etc.). Interesting to see if the sale will effect coverage of the Marlins in the long term.

 

FYI: Sinclair will be negotiating the Marlins TV Deal which ends shortly.  Also, Sinclair gets all of the Florida Gators multimedia rights including Radio, TV Studio Shows, and other forms of marketing such as signage at facilities.

 

Learfield-IMG College has the Gators radio rights through a subcontract with Fox Sports Regional Networks.

 

The Marlins next TV deal should average $100 Million per year since by 2028 we will be the only team in the 3rd largest state in the U.S. after the Rays move to Montreal/Portland/Las Vegas.

 

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/disney-fox-rsns-sinclair-1203203930/?yptr=yahoo

 

 

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According to a news report, Sinclair Broadcasting has agreed to buy the Fox Regional Sports Networks for about $10 Billion. Sinclair owns Stadium which is 24/7 sports network that specializes in highlighting Group of 5 NCAA programs with live events from C-USA, Sun Belt, Mountain West, etc.). Interesting to see if the sale will effect coverage of the Marlins in the long term.

 

FYI: Sinclair will be negotiating the Marlins TV Deal which ends shortly.  Also, Sinclair gets all of the Florida Gators multimedia rights including Radio, TV Studio Shows, and other forms of marketing such as signage at facilities.

 

Learfield-IMG College has the Gators radio rights through a subcontract with Fox Sports Regional Networks.

 

The Marlins next TV deal should average $100 Million per year since by 2028 we will be the only team in the 3rd largest state in the U.S. after the Rays move to Montreal/Portland/Las Vegas.

 

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/disney-fox-rsns-sinclair-1203203930/?yptr=yahoo

 

Well unfortunately for the Marlins they will have to figure out their tv deal while the Rays are still in the Florida area.  The deal will probably be at least 15 years I'd guess.  I imagine any idea of the Rays moving wont even be factored into anything.

 

So 2028 really doesnt mean anything and I'm not really sure where you are even basing that last part on anyway.  

 

 

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Well unfortunately for the Marlins they will have to figure out their tv deal while the Rays are still in the Florida area.  The deal will probably be at least 15 years I'd guess.  I imagine any idea of the Rays moving wont even be factored into anything.

 

So 2028 really doesnt mean anything and I'm not really sure where you are even basing that last part on anyway.  

 

If I'm the owner of the Rays, I would relocate my team ASAP. 

 

 

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Well unfortunately for the Marlins they will have to figure out their tv deal while the Rays are still in the Florida area.  The deal will probably be at least 15 years I'd guess.  I imagine any idea of the Rays moving wont even be factored into anything.

 

So 2028 really doesnt mean anything and I'm not really sure where you are even basing that last part on anyway.  

 

The Marlins situation is much different from the Rays situation.

 

The Marlins draw 7,000-9,000 fans for a rebuilding team.

 

The Rays draw 9,000 fans per night with a team that is LEADING the AL East. The only instances in which the Rays draw 10,000 or more fans is if their facing the Yankees or Red Sox.

 

I’ve been to Marlins Park this year and it looks AMAZING, the renovations that we’re completed further enchance the profile of the stadium and provide more interactive areas for fans (specifically younger generations).

 

Tropicana Field is an old concrete dome that has no outdoor view and lacks many modern amenities found in other ballparks (scoreboard, concourses, retractable roof). It looks so bad on TV I’ve never even thought to go to a game there.

 

When the Rays move out of the Bay Area in the Late 2020’s because they can’t secure funding for a new venue or draw more than 10,000 fans against an average MLB team, the value of the Marlins TV rights skyrocket because we would then be the only MLB team that can be viewed on TV in South, Central and North Florida.

 

 

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The Marlins situation is much different from the Rays situation.

 

The Marlins draw 7,000-9,000 fans for a rebuilding team.

 

The Rays draw 9,000 fans per night with a team that is LEADING the AL East. The only instances in which the Rays draw 10,000 or more fans is if their facing the Yankees or Red Sox.

 

I’ve been to Marlins Park this year and it looks AMAZING, the renovations that we’re completed further enchance the profile of the stadium and provide more interactive areas for fans (specifically younger generations).

 

Tropicana Field is an old concrete dome that has no outdoor view and lacks many modern amenities found in other ballparks (scoreboard, concourses, retractable roof). It looks so bad on TV I’ve never even thought to go to a game there.

 

When the Rays move out of the Bay Area in the Late 2020’s because they can’t secure funding for a new venue or draw more than 10,000 fans against an average MLB team, the value of the Marlins TV rights skyrocket because we would then be the only MLB team that can be viewed on TV in South, Central and North Florida.

 

A few things to bring up here...

 

Attendance for the Rays may not be the best, but their TV ratings are far better than ours - last year and the year before, they had about 2.5 times our viewership.

 

The Rays moving I do believe would benefit our TV value.  That said, a move (or announcement of a move) won't happen before it's time to do a new TV deal (which I believe expires after next season?).  Too short a timeframe for such movement/announcement to take place.  That means the new TV deal wouldn't be affected (which would happen before the 2021 season), and also means should a Rays move happen, our TV deal would be undervalued, unless there's a provision to renegotiate should the Rays exit the market?

 

 

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The Marlins situation is much different from the Rays situation.

 

The Marlins draw 7,000-9,000 fans for a rebuilding team.

 

The Rays draw 9,000 fans per night with a team that is LEADING the AL East. The only instances in which the Rays draw 10,000 or more fans is if their facing the Yankees or Red Sox.

 

I’ve been to Marlins Park this year and it looks AMAZING, the renovations that we’re completed further enchance the profile of the stadium and provide more interactive areas for fans (specifically younger generations).

 

Tropicana Field is an old concrete dome that has no outdoor view and lacks many modern amenities found in other ballparks (scoreboard, concourses, retractable roof). It looks so bad on TV I’ve never even thought to go to a game there.

 

When the Rays move out of the Bay Area in the Late 2020’s because they can’t secure funding for a new venue or draw more than 10,000 fans against an average MLB team, the value of the Marlins TV rights skyrocket because we would then be the only MLB team that can be viewed on TV in South, Central and North Florida.

 

What exactly will that have to do with the negotiations going on NOW though?  

 

I mean sure for the TV deal in 2030 whatever, but not telling whats even happening then in the world.  

 

I think you paint a picture based entirely on your own ballpark experience and fail to take into account other things like ratings currently as rmc523 mentioned, as one factor.  

 

 

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The Rays’ deal, reported by John Ourand and Daniel Kaplan of the Sports Business Journal, will begin next season and pay the Rays an

 

average of $82 million per season over 15 years, which amounts to $1.23 billion. The Rays are set to receive $35 million in the last year of their current contract, and that will increase to roughly $50 million in 2019. Assuming a steady rise over the life of the deal, rights will increase at 6.7% annually.

 

 

 

We're earning $15-20M a year right now.  The Rays are getting an average of $82M/season, but like I said earlier have far better ratings.  I'm obviously no expert, but I'd think we'd at least be able to get $50M/year.

 

I don't know if we'll be able to get close to the Rays' $82/season deal, though.

 

I was looking at teams that are close to us in ratings:

 

-The White Sox just signed a 5 year deal, but I couldn't find financials (this is also complicated by the fact the deal they signed includes the Blackhawks and Bulls on an RSN).

 

-The Padres are in the middle of a 20 year deal that expires in 2032-ish.  It paid $1.2B and ~$50M/year

 

-The Athletics have a similar per year to us - $15-20M - theirs goes through 2035 but has an opt out in 2024, which I'm sure they'll take to increase their yearly payout.

 

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Unless we do a short term deal, a Rays move wouldn't affect these TV deal negotiations.

 

 

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Tropicana Field is an old concrete dome that has no outdoor view and lacks many modern amenities found in other ballparks (scoreboard, concourses, retractable roof). It looks so bad on TV I’ve never even thought to go to a game there.

 

This is a big problem facing the national conversation about Tropicana Field.  People like yourself go on and on in anonymous platforms about what a terrible place Tropicana Field is to watch a baseball game and many of those people yourself included have never been.  I will also refute your claim that the Dome lacks a scoreboard and concourse.  It has both of those things. 

 

I don't understand why people act like the Rays owe it to the rest of the country to move or play in a facility that looks a certain way.  That community gambled on baseball by building a facility 35 years ago. They sent City officials around the country looking for a team to move there.  Those same officials were the ones that sought out and assembled the group to buy the Giants (which happened but was nullified by the National League).  That same ownership group (assembled by city leaders) then won expansion.  The history behind the Rays is something that tells a story about a community putting an effort to get baseball.  It isn't about say.....a guy from England who decides he wants his MLS team to operate in South Florida.  It's very much a St Petersburg team.  So for people like us or anyone else to act like our opinions on the subject matters is ridiculous.

 

If you give careful thought to how deliberate baseball owners are when considering relocation I think you would realize that its very unlikely that the Rays move.  The conversation exists because people write clickbait articles on the subject and the Commissioner makes statements in public to help the owner posture in negotiations and give the appearance that there are other options.  If there were other options that were just so tremendous why did the Athletics extend their lease at the Coliseum twice during their stadium search?  Moving baseball teams is like moving mountains.  The Expos were such an extraordinary case and people seem to have forgotten just how bad that situation was 

 

 

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This is a big problem facing the national conversation about Tropicana Field.  People like yourself go on and on in anonymous platforms about what a terrible place Tropicana Field is to watch a baseball game and many of those people yourself included have never been.  I will also refute your claim that the Dome lacks a scoreboard and concourse.  It has both of those things. 

 

I don't understand why people act like the Rays owe it to the rest of the country to move or play in a facility that looks a certain way.  That community gambled on baseball by building a facility 35 years ago. They sent City officials around the country looking for a team to move there.  Those same officials were the ones that sought out and assembled the group to buy the Giants (which happened but was nullified by the National League).  That same ownership group (assembled by city leaders) then won expansion.  The history behind the Rays is something that tells a story about a community putting an effort to get baseball.  It isn't about say.....a guy from England who decides he wants his MLS team to operate in South Florida.  It's very much a St Petersburg team.  So for people like us or anyone else to act like our opinions on the subject matters is ridiculous.

 

If you give careful thought to how deliberate baseball owners are when considering relocation I think you would realize that its very unlikely that the Rays move.  The conversation exists because people write clickbait articles on the subject and the Commissioner makes statements in public to help the owner posture in negotiations and give the appearance that there are other options.  If there were other options that were just so tremendous why did the Athletics extend their lease at the Coliseum twice during their stadium search?  Moving baseball teams is like moving mountains.  The Expos were such an extraordinary case and people seem to have forgotten just how bad that situation was 

 

Uh?  Where else would they play?  These other potential cities don't have facilities built yet either.  They've done short term lease extensions for a reason - so they have options when they do get a park built - whether that be in Oakland or another city.

 

Baseball's priority is to keep the teams where they are until all options are exhausted there.  Should every option fall through, then they'll look into relocation.

 

 

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This is a big problem facing the national conversation about Tropicana Field.  People like yourself go on and on in anonymous platforms about what a terrible place Tropicana Field is to watch a baseball game and many of those people yourself included have never been.  I will also refute your claim that the Dome lacks a scoreboard and concourse.  It has both of those things. 

 

I don't understand why people act like the Rays owe it to the rest of the country to move or play in a facility that looks a certain way.  That community gambled on baseball by building a facility 35 years ago. They sent City officials around the country looking for a team to move there.  Those same officials were the ones that sought out and assembled the group to buy the Giants (which happened but was nullified by the National League).  That same ownership group (assembled by city leaders) then won expansion.  The history behind the Rays is something that tells a story about a community putting an effort to get baseball.  It isn't about say.....a guy from England who decides he wants his MLS team to operate in South Florida.  It's very much a St Petersburg team.  So for people like us or anyone else to act like our opinions on the subject matters is ridiculous.

 

If you give careful thought to how deliberate baseball owners are when considering relocation I think you would realize that its very unlikely that the Rays move.  The conversation exists because people write clickbait articles on the subject and the Commissioner makes statements in public to help the owner posture in negotiations and give the appearance that there are other options.  If there were other options that were just so tremendous why did the Athletics extend their lease at the Coliseum twice during their stadium search?  Moving baseball teams is like moving mountains.  The Expos were such an extraordinary case and people seem to have forgotten just how bad that situation was 

 

As someone who has been to the ThunderDome....

 

I refute your claim that refutes his claim, and double down on the fact TropicanaThunderDomeField sucks.

 

With that said, probably means no scoreboard to view stats from the OF, and the concourses literally reminded me of the US1 Indoor Flea Market on Us1. The Baseball Museum is riddled with fake jerseys from chinese counterfeiters, even for jerseys of former players who they could have just grabbed a jersey off the racks to sign for display.

 

Coupled with the commute, and the lack of jack shit around that park--- it sucks, it really really sucks. It didn't gamble on baseball, it build a convention center with the idea it could theoretically have baseball played in it. It was built out of narcissism and the WANT for major league sports. It's primary goal was to house a permanent Professional Sport Tenant, but it eyed conventions, hosted basketball and tennis and the lightning until the Lightning got their new stadium- was renovated to have baseball in it.

 

ULTIMATELY, Tropicana Field is a decaying, dilapidated and uncomfortable shithole of proof that when you try to please everyone and do everything- its end result is a pile of shit and bricks in the middle of nowhere that no one will drive an hour and a half to sit in.

 

It has all the charm and charisma of the Pontiac Silverdome.... currently.

 

 

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Uh?  Where else would they play?  These other potential cities don't have facilities built yet either.  They've done short term lease extensions for a reason - so they have options when they do get a park built - whether that be in Oakland or another city.

 

Baseball's priority is to keep the teams where they are until all options are exhausted there.  Should every option fall through, then they'll look into relocation.

 

That's exactly right my man. No other city has a facility built.  Baseball doesn't want to move teams.   It's really easy for a bunch of community leaders to start a website with stadium concepts backed by verbal commitments from a handful of businesses.  It's a completely different thing to make that a reality.  No other community is anywhere close to having a facility to house a relocated team or to having a funding package in place to build a stadium.  Therefore, the A's and Rays stay put.

 

 

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As someone who has been to the ThunderDome....

 

I refute your claim that refutes his claim, and double down on the fact TropicanaThunderDomeField sucks.

 

With that said, probably means no scoreboard to view stats from the OF, and the concourses literally reminded me of the US1 Indoor Flea Market on Us1. The Baseball Museum is riddled with fake jerseys from chinese counterfeiters, even for jerseys of former players who they could have just grabbed a jersey off the racks to sign for display.

 

Coupled with the commute, and the lack of jack shit around that park--- it sucks, it really really sucks. It didn't gamble on baseball, it build a convention center with the idea it could theoretically have baseball played in it. It was built out of narcissism and the WANT for major league sports. It's primary goal was to house a permanent Professional Sport Tenant, but it eyed conventions, hosted basketball and tennis and the lightning until the Lightning got their new stadium- was renovated to have baseball in it.

 

ULTIMATELY, Tropicana Field is a decaying, dilapidated and uncomfortable shithole of proof that when you try to please and do everything- its end result is a pile of shit and bricks in the middle of nowhere that no one will drive an hour and a half to sit in.

 

It has all the charm and charisma of the Pontiac Silverdome.... currently.

 

I disagree with these opinions.

 

 

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As someone who has been to the ThunderDome....

 

I refute your claim that refutes his claim, and double down on the fact TropicanaThunderDomeField sucks.

 

With that said, probably means no scoreboard to view stats from the OF, and the concourses literally reminded me of the US1 Indoor Flea Market on Us1. The Baseball Museum is riddled with fake jerseys from chinese counterfeiters, even for jerseys of former players who they could have just grabbed a jersey off the racks to sign for display.

 

Coupled with the commute, and the lack of jack shit around that park--- it sucks, it really really sucks. It didn't gamble on baseball, it build a convention center with the idea it could theoretically have baseball played in it. It was built out of narcissism and the WANT for major league sports. It's primary goal was to house a permanent Professional Sport Tenant, but it eyed conventions, hosted basketball and tennis and the lightning until the Lightning got their new stadium- was renovated to have baseball in it.

 

ULTIMATELY, Tropicana Field is a decaying, dilapidated and uncomfortable shithole of proof that when you try to please everyone and do everything- its end result is a pile of shit and bricks in the middle of nowhere that no one will drive an hour and a half to sit in.

 

It has all the charm and charisma of the Pontiac Silverdome.... currently.

 

Let's not pretend Marlins park has anything around it or an easy way to get in/out.  But I understand the rest of your points about it being constructed with the hope they could use it for a team.

 

That's exactly right my man. No other city has a facility built.  Baseball doesn't want to move teams.   It's really easy for a bunch of community leaders to start a website with stadium concepts backed by verbal commitments from a handful of businesses.  It's a completely different thing to make that a reality.  No other community is anywhere close to having a facility to house a relocated team or to having a funding package in place to build a stadium.  Therefore, the A's and Rays stay put.

 

Yeah, I agree.  I'll say though that other cities don't have funding in place to build a stadium because it's grasping at straws right now - there's no team actively relocating to necessitate assembling that funding.  Oakland and Tampa are exploring their current cities until exhaustion of options - that's when you'd see cities step up - in partnership with the team, of course.

 

I think we're mostly on the same page, though..

 

 

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. If there were other options that were just so tremendous why did the Athletics extend their lease at the Coliseum twice during their stadium search?  Moving baseball teams is like moving mountains. 

 

The Athletics, and I can say this unequivaqlly... want to play in Oakland, do not want to do the relocation song and dance to piss off the politicians after the Raiders have defected....

 

They are about to buy the coliseum land for to build a new stadium on it, AND turn it into a destination spot, unlike Tropicana Field. Their endgame is to tear down Mt. Davis- and build a beautiful ballpark on that property if their first goal falls through.

 

New owners are committed to Oakland, and they want a Howard Terminal Stadium / Project. If it falls through, they want to stay on the Coliseum land and they have an offer from the county to buy the counties part of the stadium and the land for $85 million, allowing the goverment to wash their hands of the sports business and rent/stadium issues. Buying that land and the stadium for $85 Million is a hell of a bargain because even if they relocate its prime real estate.

 

They are about to be the only sport in Oakland. The Sharks, Giants, 9ers, and Warriors are on the other side of the bay, and the Raiders will be in Las Vegas. They have stock in community pride, and draw decent enough for playing in that stadium competing for entertainment dollars against a dynasty literally in their own parking lot.

 

The Athletics have a clear road to success lining up perfectly for themselves. The Rays have a clear road too, filled with traffic congestion, a long drive and a lack of a destination... much like Interstate 275.

 

 

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That's exactly right my man. No other city has a facility built.  Baseball doesn't want to move teams.   It's really easy for a bunch of community leaders to start a website with stadium concepts backed by verbal commitments from a handful of businesses.  It's a completely different thing to make that a reality.  No other community is anywhere close to having a facility to house a relocated team or to having a funding package in place to build a stadium.  Therefore, the A's and Rays stay put.

 

No other city has built a facility because it realizes just how long and tedious the process of luring a MLB or any major sport is. It's ultimatly a long game many politicians don't want smearing feces on their public record. Look what happened to St. Pete, Winnipeg, Quebec, Hartford and Seattle. When a prospective owner plops a stadium down in a city, they will get a team. Las Vegas and Seattle for instance.

 

The Rays won't stay put past their lease. I see them taking off in a deal much like how DC got the Nats and Denver the Rockies. Approve a stadium, play for a year or two in a shared stadium and get a team.

 

 

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Let's not pretend Marlins park has anything around it or an easy way to get in/out.  But I understand the rest of your points about it being constructed with the hope they could use it for a team.

 

Yeah, I agree.  I'll say though that other cities don't have funding in place to build a stadium because it's grasping at straws right now - there's no team actively relocating to necessitate assembling that funding.  Oakland and Tampa are exploring their current cities until exhaustion of options - that's when you'd see cities step up - in partnership with the team, of course.

 

I think we're mostly on the same page, though..

 

Marlins Park at least has places to eat around it, a dive bar, and four different ways to get home with NW 17th ave, NW 7th Street, 836 and i95. Plus, they have hookers close by too. Lots of hookers.

 

St. Pete wants to tear down that ballpark to make it a east version of Silicon Valley.

 

 

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Your opinions fight like a younger man... admirable, but mistaken.

 

Dude, this comment is really petty.  Why are you all the sudden so fired up about this?

 

People in St Pete and Tampa both wanted baseball.  St Pete got a team.  It took a while but it happened. Yea, they play in a facility that was designed 35 years ago.  They signed a 30 year use agreement.  There are nine seasons left on it.  The communities there are working on their own politics to get something sorted out to keep the team there. It's their team.  Time isn't up yet.  But it's their problem.   We've got our own issue down here with the Marlins to care how well Tampa Bay supports their team.   If the Rays left tomorrow it wouldn't create a huge market for new Marlins fans. 

 

 

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Dude, this comment is really petty.  Why are you all the sudden so fired up about this?

 

People in St Pete and Tampa both wanted baseball.  St Pete got a team.  It took a while but it happened. Yea, they play in a facility that was designed 35 years ago.  They signed a 30 year use agreement.  There are nine seasons left on it.  The communities there are working on their own politics to get something sorted out to keep the team there. It's their team.  Time isn't up yet.  But it's their problem.   We've got our own issue down here with the Marlins to care how well Tampa Bay supports their team.   If the Rays left tomorrow it wouldn't create a huge market for new Marlins fans. 

 

Wasn't petty, thought it would be funny. Sorry bout that.

 

Fired up for the same reasons you are,I want to see these teams thrive- but I think you're mistaken in some of your key points. Truthfully, St. Pete was a terrible location for a ballpark. It's infastructure around the park is weak and soon it will be gentrified. It's not a viable location, and while you claim it is... the proof is in its history. The team in any other market would be celebrated and have a great future. Erick said it best  and I'm paraphrasing here "Put the Rays in Miami, and it'll be a mid level revenue team in a heartbeat".

 

Time not being up for St. Pete is a big step up from just a year ago when the Mayor of St. Pete was adament they will not discuss a new ballpark for the Rays and force them to honor their lease agreement. It got bad enough where at one point the Rays were exploring how to honor the lease agreement while moving out of the ballpark at the same time. I believe one option bandied about was moving one of their minor league affiliates into Tropicana and moving elsewhere.

 

St. Pete has gotten in their own way by having a middle child complex. It knows it isn't Viable for the team to remain there and they want to go to Tampa Proper or elsewhere, and it knows losing the team will make them small potatoes. They want to be Tampa, Orlando and Miami- and they feel losing a team will make them more like Davie. They don't want to lose "Major League City" in their resume, and they least of all don't want to lose the rays to tampa (their older brother).

 

 

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The Marlins situation is much different from the Rays situation.

 

The Marlins draw 7,000-9,000 fans for a rebuilding team.

 

Are you aware of how many fans the Marlins were drawing when they weren’t a rebuilding team (2012-2017)? 

 

 

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Are you aware of how many fans the Marlins were drawing when they weren’t a rebuilding team (2012-2017)? 

 

 

 

Are you aware of how many fans the Marlins were drawing when they weren’t a rebuilding team (2012-2017)? 

 

 

 

Are you aware of how many fans the Marlins were drawing when they weren’t a rebuilding team (2012-2017)? 

 

They drew well in 2012, rebuilt from 2013-2015. They weren't a very good team either. Marlins in 04 and 05 had a respectable bump- same with 2012.

 

 

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