Well regardless of Project Wolverine, if they don't start spending by that point -- there would be reason for concern. That would already be 4 years into things.

 

Agreed. I think people SOMEHOW forget that they're tanking in 18-19... somewhat understandably... but if they're still tanking two years from now then we're screwed.

 

 

Will they actually go into FA this soon though? I wanted to say no but then I remembered they were after DJ LeMahieu this past offseason so they probably are looking at smart FA pickups even though they aren't contending yet.

 

I think they will - or at least should - for the right free agent.  Their Jayson Werth signing (a year early but show you're serious).  That's why I advocated a pursuit of Machado (perhaps not to the deal he signed, but go after him), especially in hindsight with the number of extensions there were - a guy that may've been a target like Boegarts is off the table.

 

There seems to really only be 3 "big" potential fielding targets - Didi, Rendon, maybe Ozuna.  Pitcher targets could include a Cole, maybe Bumgarner, but a lot of teams will be in on all of them, especially the pitchers.

 

You have to start at some point, and sign some guys when they're available, even if it's slightly off your timeline - sign them to enough of a deal that will overlap with your timeline.

 

 

We really still looking at Project Wolverine? That has always felt to me like an outline created for the ownership proposal so that they looked like they had some plan on paper but I can't believe they ever planned to stick to it 100%. And I don't mean that in a bad way either. I mean they are probably open to reevaluating the plan when needed, I don't think Project Wolverine was ever meant to be conclusive.

 

I get that they had to project good numbers to woo investors, but some aspects of it were clearly delusional too - mainly attendance projections.

 

 

I get that they had to project good numbers to woo investors, but some aspects of it were clearly delusional too - mainly attendance projections.

 

More reason to not bring it up. It was clearly like when you tell your science teacher your plan to work on your science project and you just wing the whole thing anyways.

 

 

The 2020-21 offseason has more pitchers - Trevor Bauer, James Paxton, Robbie Ray - and fewer hitters - highlighted by Mookie Betts, JT Realmuto, and Stanton if he opts out.

 

 

More reason to not bring it up. It was clearly like when you tell your science teacher your plan to work on your science project and you just wing the whole thing anyways.

 

Right, I'm with you.  And those lack of attendance figures will also affect the budget, and negatively unless they throw money at the problem.

 

 

The 2020-21 offseason has more pitchers - Trevor Bauer, James Paxton, Robbie Ray - and fewer hitters - highlighted by Mookie Betts, JT Realmuto, and Stanton if he opts out.

 

There is no chance in hell Stanton opts out unless he hates NY and can't deal with it. He won't beat that deal.

 

 

There is no chance in hell Stanton opts out.

 

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That old design sucked.

 

 

There is no chance in hell Stanton opts out unless he hates NY and can't deal with it. He won't beat that deal.

 

Oh I know, I was just saying there's slim pickings big FA wise.

 

 

Marlins will have to overpay to get any notable FA because when given a choice between a team that has some modicum of success and/or remote chance at being successful - the player is NOT going to take Miami over the other team that's offering a similar deal.  I'm not saying they have to offer 10/200 to Ozuna or anything ridiculous like that - but yeah, they're going to have to outbid other teams by a healthy number for a FA to sign in Miami at this point especially considering the fact that there is next to zero protection in the lineup and that player is going to come here knowing his production will likely suffer.

 

Also, I wonder how much of that payroll leap in that stupid plan was a byproduct of expecting guys like Brinson to pan out and just be re-signed/extended and not necessarily spending on FA's?

 

They're going to have to spend on some proven bats for next season though as the current roster is going to be historically awful in terms of production.

 

 

the Marlins project payrolls of $81 million in 2019, $84.8 million in 2020, $116 million in 2021 and $118.7 million in 2022.

 

Isn't that simply just the arbitration jumps? That doesn't look much like spending ...

 

 

Isn't that simply just the arbitration jumps? That doesn't look much like spending ...

 

I think with the current players, 2021 would be a lot lower than 116 million without free agent signings. Keep in mind that Chen's contract will be gone along with some others.

 

 

I think with the current players, 2021 would be a lot lower than 116 million without free agent signings. Keep in mind that Chen's contract will be gone along with some others.

 

That is true. Although if Stanton does not opt out, the Marlins then have to pay him $30M as well.

 

 

Keep in mind that Chen's contract will be gone along with some others.

 

Chen's been good the last few outings so I'm starting to expect a contract extension pretty soon, don't say I didn't warn you.

 

 

That is true. Although if Stanton does not opt out, the Marlins then have to pay him $30M as well.

 

won't that be 30M over 6 years, though?  So 5/year.

 

Or is it a one time lump sum?

 

 

won't that be 30M over 6 years, though?  So 5/year.

 

Or is it a one time lump sum?

 

I think it is 5/year but not sure.

 

 

That is true. Although if Stanton does not opt out, the Marlins then have to pay him $30M as well.

 

that would be hilarious if that's the expected "bump" in payroll for the Fish.

 

 

Either way that money is needed to lock up Brinson

 

 

won't that be 30M over 6 years, though?  So 5/year.

 

Or is it a one time lump sum?

 

Wasn't aware that was the case. OK not a huge deal then. Hopefully those values listed [the 100M+ ones] are indeed spending!

 

 

that would be hilarious if that's the expected "bump" in payroll for the Fish.

 

Ugh.  Don't put those thoughts in my head.  It could be!

 

 

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damn luf his undershirt

 

 

damn luf his undershirt

 

That wasn't an undershirt, it was his shirt. There isn't another shirt over it.

 

 

That wasn't an undershirt, it was his shirt. There isn't another shirt over it.

 

so the overshirt?

 

 

so the overshirt?

 

We call it just a "shirt" where I come from.