January 28, 200422 yr please ban this repeatin04 guy asap :ban he's detrimental to the forums factual is more accurate. keep free speech alive. be an American.
January 28, 200422 yr Validity of the argument wins the support. Notice how few counter attack my facts. Worry more about the Marlins getting a new stadium and less about Pudge and misspelled words. Your arguments make ZILCH sense. You know the bottom line of what I say is true. In the grand scheme of things, Pudge is not important. Getting the stadium and raising season tickets is. If you were so convincing in your arguments and actually got more fans to attend games when Pudge was here, then the team would have been in better position to bring Pudge back. I understand why you are so picky on the word ZILCH, because you offer ZILCH to this message board in your responses. You are LAMEEEEEEEE Support for what? What is you problem? Few care about your arguments and your personal attacks, name calling and rudeness. What do you get so excited when someone say "I hope we get Pudge back"? It is not like Loria and Beinfest are surfing the web for opinions on what to do. btw, We aren't part of the FO, so concentrating on Stadium Talk and season tickets sale is not going to get us a stadium or more season tickets. my opinions are the facts. Notice how Pudge isn't coming back. The stadium is the single most important concern with this team. Plain and simple.
January 28, 200422 yr http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor..._jim&id=1720870 Jim Caple article...thought it would be appropriate to put it here in the Pudge thread. FANS' PASSION UNMATCHED Do you care more about your favorite team than the players on its roster do? Whose ties are stronger to a team, the players who give it their all on the field of play each game of the season or the fans who give it their hearts and souls most of their lives? Whose loyalties run deeper, the players who depend upon the team for their livelihoods or the fans who depend on it for their identity? Who cares more passionately, the players whose talent and work earned them the right to wear the uniform on the chests or the fans who spent a day's wages so they could wear a replica jersey? The answer depends on your definition of team allegiance. Well, maybe not in Manny Ramirez's case, but in most cases. Fans in Florida lived it up last fall as the Marlins became the world champions. For instance, who most deserved to race around the bases after winning the World Series last year, the Marlins owner/art dealer who acquired the team less than two years earlier, the Hall of Fame catcher who joined the team less than a year earlier or the fans who failed to crack the 11,000 attendance mark less than two months earlier? And who felt worse when Aaron Boone's home run sailed over the fence at Yankee Stadium, the Red Sox designated hitter and MVP candidate of one season or the Boston fans who still flinch at the memory of Bucky Dent's home run sailing over the fence at Fenway Park? After all, David Ortiz may have been Boston's most valuable player last season, but until signing with the team before last season, what emotions had he ever invested in the Red Sox? Did he know what it felt like to watch the ball roll between Bill Buckner's legs or Dent's flyball sail over the Green Monster or Enos Slaughter race around the basepaths? Did he know the pain of listening to a beer-guzzling Yankee fan boast of their many world championships? Did he know the full meaning of the year 1918 or the decision to start Denny Galehouse or the name Billy Rohr? Did he have any concept of how long 85 years really is (not to mention 86 years)? Is there any way the World Series would have meant as much to him last year as it would to a card-carrying member of Red Sox Nation? On the other hand, those fans don't know what it's like to grow up in the Dominican Republic, taking English lessons after school as Ortiz did. They don't know what it's like to sign a pro contract at age 17. Or be traded at age 20. Or have a manager constantly ridicule their fielding. Or have a team tell them it doesn't want them anymore. Or to spend every winter working to get better by playing baseball in the Dominican. Is there is any way the World Series would have meant as much to the fans as it would to Ortiz? Ivan Rodriguez led the Marlins to a world championship but may leave to sign a $40 million contract with the worst team in baseball. Pudge might sign with the Tigers, a team that lost as many games last year as the Yankees have the past two years combined, that has averaged nearly 100 losses the past eight seasons, that hasn't been in the postseason since Kirk Gibson had hair. Is he disloyal? Selfish? Greedy as a Halliburton exec? Before you decide, remember that Pudge just accomplished his lifelong goal by winning a World Series. That he is an aging catcher who likely will never get another chance at a long term contract. That he is a possible Hall of Famer who has grown tired of settling for less than inferior players earn. That the Tigers are guaranteeing him more than twice as much money as anyone else. David Ortiz helped bring plenty of joy to Red Sox fans in 2003. Remember further that Rodriguez first squatted behind a major league plate two years before the Marlins and their fans even existed. That those Marlins fans barely cracked the 800,000 attendance mark the year before Florida won the World Series and that they have bought fewer 2004 season tickets than the Tigers. And remember that Jeffrey Loria was handed the Marlins just two years ago after running the Expos into the ground. Is Rodriguez any less connected to the Marlins than the team's owners or most of its fans? Fans are connected to a team, to its name, to its uniform, to its tradition, to its history and to their own memories. Cardinals fans feel as connected to the Gashouse Gang as as they do to today's lineup. To San Francisco fans, the Giants are as much Willie Mays as they are Barry Bonds. And any self-respecting Yankee fan would gladly give his Wilson basketball to the Boys and Girls Club and never step on the hardwood again if he thought playing one basketball game would cost his team its third baseman for the season. Players don't look at it that way. They feel connected to the specific team they're on that season and to their teammates. They didn't necessarily grow up rooting for the team so there is no personal attachment. The average player switches teams so often that they are rarely with any one team long enough to figure out the alternate jersey schedule let alone develop any lasting emotional connection. And they couldn't afford to develop one anyway. Fans may expect loyalty from players, but players know that loyalty doesn't exist in baseball. They know they are one bad season, one appealing trade offer or one knee injury in a winter hoops game from filling out another change of address form. Their loyalties to a team begin and end with their contract. Oh, there are exceptions. Players who not only spent an entire career with one team but grew up rooting for it -- Cal Ripken Jr. and Barry Larkin spring to mind -- probably feel as passionately about a team as the most devoted fan, but they are the vast minority. Who cares more about a team, its fans or its players? I think they care equally as much in their own ways. The important difference is the fans care for much, much longer. The players are over a postseason as soon as they file for free agency and hit the fairways. The fans relive it for the rest of their lives. Ask a Red Sox fan about Bucky Dent if you don't believe me. Jim Caple is a senior writer for ESPN.com
January 28, 200422 yr http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor..._jim&id=1720870 Jim Caple article...thought it would be appropriate to put it here in the Pudge thread. FANS' PASSION UNMATCHED Do you care more about your favorite team than the players on its roster do? Whose ties are stronger to a team, the players who give it their all on the field of play each game of the season or the fans who give it their hearts and souls most of their lives? Whose loyalties run deeper, the players who depend upon the team for their livelihoods or the fans who depend on it for their identity? Who cares more passionately, the players whose talent and work earned them the right to wear the uniform on the chests or the fans who spent a day's wages so they could wear a replica jersey? The answer depends on your definition of team allegiance. Well, maybe not in Manny Ramirez's case, but in most cases. Fans in Florida lived it up last fall as the Marlins became the world champions. For instance, who most deserved to race around the bases after winning the World Series last year, the Marlins owner/art dealer who acquired the team less than two years earlier, the Hall of Fame catcher who joined the team less than a year earlier or the fans who failed to crack the 11,000 attendance mark less than two months earlier? And who felt worse when Aaron Boone's home run sailed over the fence at Yankee Stadium, the Red Sox designated hitter and MVP candidate of one season or the Boston fans who still flinch at the memory of Bucky Dent's home run sailing over the fence at Fenway Park? After all, David Ortiz may have been Boston's most valuable player last season, but until signing with the team before last season, what emotions had he ever invested in the Red Sox? Did he know what it felt like to watch the ball roll between Bill Buckner's legs or Dent's flyball sail over the Green Monster or Enos Slaughter race around the basepaths? Did he know the pain of listening to a beer-guzzling Yankee fan boast of their many world championships? Did he know the full meaning of the year 1918 or the decision to start Denny Galehouse or the name Billy Rohr? Did he have any concept of how long 85 years really is (not to mention 86 years)? Is there any way the World Series would have meant as much to him last year as it would to a card-carrying member of Red Sox Nation? On the other hand, those fans don't know what it's like to grow up in the Dominican Republic, taking English lessons after school as Ortiz did. They don't know what it's like to sign a pro contract at age 17. Or be traded at age 20. Or have a manager constantly ridicule their fielding. Or have a team tell them it doesn't want them anymore. Or to spend every winter working to get better by playing baseball in the Dominican. Is there is any way the World Series would have meant as much to the fans as it would to Ortiz? Ivan Rodriguez led the Marlins to a world championship but may leave to sign a $40 million contract with the worst team in baseball. Pudge might sign with the Tigers, a team that lost as many games last year as the Yankees have the past two years combined, that has averaged nearly 100 losses the past eight seasons, that hasn't been in the postseason since Kirk Gibson had hair. Is he disloyal? Selfish? Greedy as a Halliburton exec? Before you decide, remember that Pudge just accomplished his lifelong goal by winning a World Series. That he is an aging catcher who likely will never get another chance at a long term contract. That he is a possible Hall of Famer who has grown tired of settling for less than inferior players earn. That the Tigers are guaranteeing him more than twice as much money as anyone else. David Ortiz helped bring plenty of joy to Red Sox fans in 2003. Remember further that Rodriguez first squatted behind a major league plate two years before the Marlins and their fans even existed. That those Marlins fans barely cracked the 800,000 attendance mark the year before Florida won the World Series and that they have bought fewer 2004 season tickets than the Tigers. And remember that Jeffrey Loria was handed the Marlins just two years ago after running the Expos into the ground. Is Rodriguez any less connected to the Marlins than the team's owners or most of its fans? Fans are connected to a team, to its name, to its uniform, to its tradition, to its history and to their own memories. Cardinals fans feel as connected to the Gashouse Gang as as they do to today's lineup. To San Francisco fans, the Giants are as much Willie Mays as they are Barry Bonds. And any self-respecting Yankee fan would gladly give his Wilson basketball to the Boys and Girls Club and never step on the hardwood again if he thought playing one basketball game would cost his team its third baseman for the season. Players don't look at it that way. They feel connected to the specific team they're on that season and to their teammates. They didn't necessarily grow up rooting for the team so there is no personal attachment. The average player switches teams so often that they are rarely with any one team long enough to figure out the alternate jersey schedule let alone develop any lasting emotional connection. And they couldn't afford to develop one anyway. Fans may expect loyalty from players, but players know that loyalty doesn't exist in baseball. They know they are one bad season, one appealing trade offer or one knee injury in a winter hoops game from filling out another change of address form. Their loyalties to a team begin and end with their contract. Oh, there are exceptions. Players who not only spent an entire career with one team but grew up rooting for it -- Cal Ripken Jr. and Barry Larkin spring to mind -- probably feel as passionately about a team as the most devoted fan, but they are the vast minority. Who cares more about a team, its fans or its players? I think they care equally as much in their own ways. The important difference is the fans care for much, much longer. The players are over a postseason as soon as they file for free agency and hit the fairways. The fans relive it for the rest of their lives. Ask a Red Sox fan about Bucky Dent if you don't believe me. Jim Caple is a senior writer for ESPN.com First off, it appears that the 40 mil from Detroit was factually incorrect. Secondly, please explain how Loria ran the Expos into the ground? Loria was there TWO seasons. That franchise was in steep decline well before Loria took over. Sure Loria wanted a stadium and that fell apart. I can argue John Henry RAN the Marlins into the ground. You never see ESPN ripping Henry for his whining and lying and threatening contraction when no one ever heard of the word. Then Henry gets a plumb job owning the Red Sox. Suddenly, Henry wants A Rod and he spends like the Yankees. Give me a break. The Loria bashing is so uncalled for and so tired. Remeber this, it was John Henry who set all those deadlines to get a stadium or else. It was Henry who PROMISED to build a stadium with his own money. It was Henry who signed that awful lease deal with Huizenga. It was Henry who always was seen mopping about how bad he had it, and how it couldn't work here. It was Henry who vastly overpaid CJ and Preston. But let ESPN rip Loria. Loria has his ring and is doing just fine. The Marlins are in better shape with him than they were with Henry.
January 28, 200422 yr Gee, why would you re-quote an article with no added commentary? What a waste of message board space, unless you are arguing with Jim Caple, in which case you should know that he probably doesn't read this board. :dork
January 28, 200422 yr You'll notice regardless of Repeat's meglomaniacal rant he can't get away from his words that this would be the "worst move in baseball history". He can call us fools, he suggests we all, individually and collectively have no baseball knowledge, that only he, he alone, has all the right answers but regardless of his namecalling, of his protests, the fact is he is still wrong. And besides, he's a boor. Baseball's landscape is littered with moves that would make this one pale in comparison. Admin Anderson for Jeff Bagwell, the Red Sox forgetting to get their commitment letters out to Pudge Fisk and Fred Lynn on time and losing them, signing Mo Vaughn (lol), Mike Hampton's deal with Rockies, the list is endless. So what "if" the Marlins decide, all in all, that they would in fact be better off with Pudge than without? People and organizations change their minds all the time. Major corporations rewrite their business plans with regularity. We live in fluid times. What was impossible to believe a day ago is today's reality. Kodak is about to stop making film cameras. Players have been traded back to the team they left before, this is not breaking any new ground. It is rare for a team to so quickly reverse direction, but if the FO determines it's in the best interest of the franchise should they be ridiculed for it? I think not. This is purely hotstove banter and should be regarded as such. The Marlins have not in any way suggested they are even considering re-signing Pudge. Regardless of the amount of truth in Berrardino's piece it gave some of us the opportunity to proclaim our respect and affection and gratitude for what Pudge did last season as a Florida Marlin. Our new "expert" poster has proven he is willing to use name calling and insults to mask the false nature of this rhetoric. We all can learn from this and not sully ourselves by sinking to his level of discourse. And we now know that which flows from his poison pen in the future will assuredly be as without merit as has been his baseless diatribe here today. Shakespeare put it best - "Me thinks he doth protest too much". You really have a comprehension problem. Bad trades aren't the "stupidest moves" in baseball history. Stupidity isn't because one player panned out and one didn't. Stupidity is just that. My argument, which I will spell out again is simple: Trading something for a player you already had and then paying that guy 40 mil over 4 years when the team said it couldn't do that is PLAIN STUPIDITY. I'm not talking about a bad trade or selling Babe Ruth when the Red Sox needed the money. Those moves are part of business. Doing a boneheaded stupid move is completely different. And by the way, it is moot because Pudge never was offered 40 mil for 4 years as was widely reported. Please learn to read and comprehend an argument. I'm totally proving you to be the fool you are.
January 28, 200422 yr You really have a comprehension problem. Bad trades aren't the "stupidest moves" in baseball history. Stupidity isn't because one player panned out and one didn't. Stupidity is just that. My argument, which I will spell out again is simple: Trading something for a player you already had and then paying that guy 40 mil over 4 years when the team said it couldn't do that is PLAIN STUPIDITY. I'm not talking about a bad trade or selling Babe Ruth when the Red Sox needed the money. Those moves are part of business. Doing a boneheaded stupid move is completely different. And by the way, it is moot because Pudge never was offered 40 mil for 4 years as was widely reported. Please learn to read and comprehend an argument. I'm totally proving you to be the fool you are. LOL
January 29, 200422 yr Gimme a break man, I was posting it because I know this is a sore subject for some, and I wanted them to see perhaps another view on it. I've already said my piece on Pudge, and I'm not going to trudge through it again.
January 29, 200422 yr http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor..._jim&id=1720870 Jim Caple article...thought it would be appropriate to put it here in the Pudge thread. FANS' PASSION UNMATCHED Do you care more about your favorite team than the players on its roster do? Whose ties are stronger to a team, the players who give it their all on the field of play each game of the season or the fans who give it their hearts and souls most of their lives? Whose loyalties run deeper, the players who depend upon the team for their livelihoods or the fans who depend on it for their identity? Who cares more passionately, the players whose talent and work earned them the right to wear the uniform on the chests or the fans who spent a day's wages so they could wear a replica jersey? The answer depends on your definition of team allegiance. Well, maybe not in Manny Ramirez's case, but in most cases. Fans in Florida lived it up last fall as the Marlins became the world champions. For instance, who most deserved to race around the bases after winning the World Series last year, the Marlins owner/art dealer who acquired the team less than two years earlier, the Hall of Fame catcher who joined the team less than a year earlier or the fans who failed to crack the 11,000 attendance mark less than two months earlier? And who felt worse when Aaron Boone's home run sailed over the fence at Yankee Stadium, the Red Sox designated hitter and MVP candidate of one season or the Boston fans who still flinch at the memory of Bucky Dent's home run sailing over the fence at Fenway Park? After all, David Ortiz may have been Boston's most valuable player last season, but until signing with the team before last season, what emotions had he ever invested in the Red Sox? Did he know what it felt like to watch the ball roll between Bill Buckner's legs or Dent's flyball sail over the Green Monster or Enos Slaughter race around the basepaths? Did he know the pain of listening to a beer-guzzling Yankee fan boast of their many world championships? Did he know the full meaning of the year 1918 or the decision to start Denny Galehouse or the name Billy Rohr? Did he have any concept of how long 85 years really is (not to mention 86 years)? Is there any way the World Series would have meant as much to him last year as it would to a card-carrying member of Red Sox Nation? On the other hand, those fans don't know what it's like to grow up in the Dominican Republic, taking English lessons after school as Ortiz did. They don't know what it's like to sign a pro contract at age 17. Or be traded at age 20. Or have a manager constantly ridicule their fielding. Or have a team tell them it doesn't want them anymore. Or to spend every winter working to get better by playing baseball in the Dominican. Is there is any way the World Series would have meant as much to the fans as it would to Ortiz? Ivan Rodriguez led the Marlins to a world championship but may leave to sign a $40 million contract with the worst team in baseball. Pudge might sign with the Tigers, a team that lost as many games last year as the Yankees have the past two years combined, that has averaged nearly 100 losses the past eight seasons, that hasn't been in the postseason since Kirk Gibson had hair. Is he disloyal? Selfish? Greedy as a Halliburton exec? Before you decide, remember that Pudge just accomplished his lifelong goal by winning a World Series. That he is an aging catcher who likely will never get another chance at a long term contract. That he is a possible Hall of Famer who has grown tired of settling for less than inferior players earn. That the Tigers are guaranteeing him more than twice as much money as anyone else. David Ortiz helped bring plenty of joy to Red Sox fans in 2003. Remember further that Rodriguez first squatted behind a major league plate two years before the Marlins and their fans even existed. That those Marlins fans barely cracked the 800,000 attendance mark the year before Florida won the World Series and that they have bought fewer 2004 season tickets than the Tigers. And remember that Jeffrey Loria was handed the Marlins just two years ago after running the Expos into the ground. Is Rodriguez any less connected to the Marlins than the team's owners or most of its fans? Fans are connected to a team, to its name, to its uniform, to its tradition, to its history and to their own memories. Cardinals fans feel as connected to the Gashouse Gang as as they do to today's lineup. To San Francisco fans, the Giants are as much Willie Mays as they are Barry Bonds. And any self-respecting Yankee fan would gladly give his Wilson basketball to the Boys and Girls Club and never step on the hardwood again if he thought playing one basketball game would cost his team its third baseman for the season. Players don't look at it that way. They feel connected to the specific team they're on that season and to their teammates. They didn't necessarily grow up rooting for the team so there is no personal attachment. The average player switches teams so often that they are rarely with any one team long enough to figure out the alternate jersey schedule let alone develop any lasting emotional connection. And they couldn't afford to develop one anyway. Fans may expect loyalty from players, but players know that loyalty doesn't exist in baseball. They know they are one bad season, one appealing trade offer or one knee injury in a winter hoops game from filling out another change of address form. Their loyalties to a team begin and end with their contract. Oh, there are exceptions. Players who not only spent an entire career with one team but grew up rooting for it -- Cal Ripken Jr. and Barry Larkin spring to mind -- probably feel as passionately about a team as the most devoted fan, but they are the vast minority. Who cares more about a team, its fans or its players? I think they care equally as much in their own ways. The important difference is the fans care for much, much longer. The players are over a postseason as soon as they file for free agency and hit the fairways. The fans relive it for the rest of their lives. Ask a Red Sox fan about Bucky Dent if you don't believe me. Jim Caple is a senior writer for ESPN.com First off, it appears that the 40 mil from Detroit was factually incorrect. Secondly, please explain how Loria ran the Expos into the ground? Loria was there TWO seasons. That franchise was in steep decline well before Loria took over. Sure Loria wanted a stadium and that fell apart. I can argue John Henry RAN the Marlins into the ground. You never see ESPN ripping Henry for his whining and lying and threatening contraction when no one ever heard of the word. Then Henry gets a plumb job owning the Red Sox. Suddenly, Henry wants A Rod and he spends like the Yankees. Give me a break. The Loria bashing is so uncalled for and so tired. Remeber this, it was John Henry who set all those deadlines to get a stadium or else. It was Henry who PROMISED to build a stadium with his own money. It was Henry who signed that awful lease deal with Huizenga. It was Henry who always was seen mopping about how bad he had it, and how it couldn't work here. It was Henry who vastly overpaid CJ and Preston. But let ESPN rip Loria. Loria has his ring and is doing just fine. The Marlins are in better shape with him than they were with Henry. Hmm...I actually agree with you here LeBatard. That is shocking that you are giving Loria props...
January 29, 200422 yr Trading for Fudge would be a very bad move in my opinion as well. I would rather sign him back after May Day for a discount AND keep Castro on the bench. But that aint happening, and I dont think we really need Fudge to win games, so...drop it already!!!
January 29, 200422 yr As I've said previously, this is all hotstove banter and should taken as such as none of us knows conclusively how it will play out. Unfortunately our friend the narcissist came along and poisoned the thread, but such is life on the internet.
January 29, 200422 yr Gimme a break man, I was posting it because I know this is a sore subject for some, and I wanted them to see perhaps another view on it. I've already said my piece on Pudge, and I'm not going to trudge through it again. That was "gee" as in "Jeez," not "gee" as in "geemoney." I can see the confusion. Actually, the post was directed to repeatin04.
January 29, 200422 yr This is the latest rumor. Sources say that the Orioles have been given a timetable to discuss a multi-year deal with Vidro. If they can agree, a 5 player trade will occur between the Orioles and the Expos. This deal is needed for Montreal to cut salary in order to sign Rodgriguez. Reportedly, The Expos and I-Rod have agreed in principal to a 3 year $27 million contract.
January 29, 200422 yr http://www.sunspot.net/sports/baseball/bal...ports-headlines The Associated Press Originally published January 28, 2004, 9:48 PM EST NEW YORK - Ivan Rodriguez and the Detroit Tigers were on the verge of agreeing to a $40 million, four-year contract, The Associated Press learned Wednesday night. The 10-time All-Star catcher was to be examined in Texas on Thursday by Dr. Andrew Dossett, two baseball sources told the AP on the condition of anonymity. Dossett is the spine consultant to the Rangers and has treated Rodriguez for many years. If all goes well in the exam, the agreement between the free agent and Detroit could be announced Friday, one of the sources said. The deal would move Rodriguez from the World Series champion Florida Marlins to a team coming off one of the worst seasons in major league history. The agreement contains a team option for 2008 that could make the contract worth $50 million over five years, one of the sources said. Tigers president and general manager Dave Dombrowski did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment. "We've been working diligently with the Tigers on this matter," said Rodriguez's agent, Scott Boras. "We're having further meetings on Thursday." Rodriguez, 32, spent his first 12 seasons with the Rangers, then became a free agent and signed a $10 million, one-year deal with the Marlins. Rodriguez hit .313 last season with 16 homers and 85 RBIs, and he was MVP of the NL championship series win over the Chicago Cubs. After helping lead the Marlins past the New York Yankees in the World Series last season, he was never offered more than two guaranteed years by Florida. Baltimore and Seattle also were said to be interested in Rodriguez. With the Tigers, he would join one of the greatest turnaround efforts in baseball history. Detroit went 43-119 last season, setting the American League record for losses. The Tigers won five of their last six games to avoid tying the post-1900 major league record of 120 losses, set by the 1962 New York Mets. Detroit, which moved into Comerica Park in 2000, has finished with a losing record in 10 straight seasons and drew 1.37 million fans at home last season, 27th among the 30 major league teams. Trying to invigorate the team, the Tigers have reached agreements with second baseman Fernando Vina, outfielder Rondell White and right-hander Jason Johnson. Since winning their second Series title in seven seasons, the Marlins have either traded away or lost as free agents several of their key players, including Derrek Lee, Mark Redman, Juan Encarnacion, Ugueth Urbina and Braden Looper. Florida has signed closer Armando Benitez and on Wednesday added left-hander Darren Oliver, agreeing to a $750,000, one-year contract. Like Pro Player Stadium in Miami, Comerica Park is a tough place for hitters. Rodriguez is a 10-time Gold Glove winner behind the plate and won the 1999 AL MVP award. Copyright ? 2004, The Associated Press
January 29, 200422 yr Sucks for Pudge, and Borass is an idiot. He continues to get his clients stuck on horrible teams namely ARod and now IRod...
January 29, 200422 yr Rodriguez hit .313 last season Now that, is an idiot. even if he was too lazy to look it up, use common sense and know- PUDGE DIDN'T HIT .313
January 29, 200422 yr good luck greedy,no good,lousy,borass b***h,stupid,moron,traitor,spoiled brat. you have just won the grand prize of detroit. it includes wonderful things like 1. another horrible losing season in detroit 2. 120 more loses in a season 3. having ur respect gone from alot of people 4. have fun in the snow but hey u got what u wanted a 4-40mill. deal congrats fudge all about the money right fudge?
January 29, 200422 yr I'm still not sure I believe this. I've seen AP stories about this get posted on the internet tonight, and then get pulled back off in a matter of minutes. Remember, the O's and Mets were both close to having Vlad several times as well. We heard a couple weeks ago that Pudge was close to a deal with Detroit for 4 years $40 million, then that 4/40 was never offered. Then we hear he wants to go back to Florida. We heard Boras turn down the Marlins offer early this offseason saying that he had offers from 10 other teams for more, spouting the whole 4 year/$40 million number then as well. I thin Boras is lying and leaking, and trying to use teams against each other in the press, and regardless who Pudge ends up signing with, I feel sorry for that team no matter what kind of stats he puts up.
January 29, 200422 yr Wonder if the AP is adding in his Post Season stats...I think Boras wrote the article. Anyway, I expect to see Fudge sign with the Brewers within the hour.
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