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Remember games where Pierre and Castillo didnt get on base - we had real bad offensive performances. Castillo has played well but Pierre needs to get on so that Migs can drive him and Luis home. Those 2 are the catalysts to our offense and it shows you how good are pitching is when we still win w/o Pierre being on top of his game.

No ones perfect. They guy signed for a 1 yr contract for 800k so you cant expect the guy to compete for the Cy Young either.

RF Jeremy Hermida went 2-for-5 with 2 steals, a run scored, and 2 RBIs while LHP Scott Olsen allowed one unearned run in 5 hitless innings to earn his 1st win of the season, as Jupiter (FLA) pummeled Vero Beach (LAD), 11-6. Hermida is 5-for-15 (.333) in his first 3 games of the season. Olsen has a 3.12 ERA after 2 starts. SS Joel Guzman doubled, stole a base, and scored a run for Vero Beach in the loss. Guzman is hitting .333 in 6 games. Triple A Frank Gracesqui has 0.00 ERA w/ 7 SO in 5 IP Ben Howard 3.38 ERA in 5 IP Mike Flannery 0.00 ERA w/ 3 SO in 4 IP Wilson Valdez, SS - .324 BA, 1HR, 5 RBI Double A Jerrod Fuell (aquir. from Tigers in Redman trade) 0.00 ERA in 2.2 IP, 5 SO - pitched well last year also Pete Hartmann 2.08 ERA, 4 IP, 8 SO (Ouch!!) - Lefthander Peter Bauer - 5.2 IP, 4 SO, 0.00 ERA Josh Willingham, C - .294 BA, 3 HR, 5 RBI

Marlins' subsidy bill clears first hurdle By S.V. D?te, Palm Beach Post Capital Bureau Friday, April 16, 2004 TALLAHASSEE -- The Florida Marlins' hopes for $60 million in taxpayer money for a new stadium got a boost Thursday, when a bill containing a new subsidy cleared a House committee. The proposal could next go directly to the House floor, bypassing the normal gantlet of committee meetings most bills must go through to get there. House Speaker Johnnie Byrd Thursday defended the $2 million a year payments to the team, calling it a good "economic development" tool that would generate new tax revenue -- even though state economists rejected that argument when they studied the issue three years ago. "I think we have 120 very bright legislators" who can weigh those arguments for themselves, said Byrd, R-Plant City. Gov. Jeb Bush Thursday reiterated his support for a second Marlins subsidy, adding that the two remaining weeks of this spring's legislative session might be enough to change the mind of Senate President Jim King, who has strongly opposed the idea. King, R-Jacksonville, repeated that opposition Thursday. "Rich people getting richer off of taxpayer dollars," King said. "I don't want to be a part of that." Florida taxpayers are already giving the Marlins' original owner, H. Wayne Huizenga, $2 million a year for converting his stadium, Pro Player, to use for baseball. The Marlins received the first such sports stadium subsidy in 1993. Six other sports teams have since received the identical subsidy, including franchises that were already in Florida but wanted a new stadium. The Marlins now complain that a lease signed by the previous owner, John Henry, allows too much of the ancillary revenues to continue to go to Huizenga, who still owns Pro Player. "What is the purpose of this? Why are we doing this?" asked Rep. Ed Jennings, D-Gainesville, wondering why a for-profit entity should get state money in a year when thousands of poor people will likely lose some Medicaid benefits. Committee Chairman Randy Johnson, R-Celebration, defended the proposal -- which Byrd had quietly tacked onto an unrelated package of tax law changes requested by the state Department of Revenue -- as necessary to make sure the Marlins stay in Florida. The team has said that if it does not get the $60 million commitment this legislative session toward a new stadium, it might have to leave the state. Current law prohibits a single team getting more than one subsidy. The new language gets around that by reassigning the existing subsidy to the Dolphins and letting the Marlins get the new subsidy. Huizenga tried to get $2 million a year for his Dolphins in 1997 but that plan was defeated in the newly Republican-controlled House of Representatives on a floor vote. The Marlins are seeking a 38,000-seat, retractable-roof stadium that would open in time for the 2007 season and would cost an estimated $325 million -- a figure some industry experts say is too low to be a practical guess. Team owner Jeffrey Loria and the organization have committed $137 million toward construction, and Miami-Dade County has pledged $73 million. Even if they secure the state money, the Marlins would have a minimum gap of $55 million and haven't said where that money would come from. The Marlins say they need to have a plan for construction of a new stadium in place by May 1. The team had originally set a March 15 deadline, announced on the same day hundreds of thousands of fans turned out for rallies in Miami and Fort Lauderdale to celebrate Florida's World Series victory over the New York Yankees. But when that deadline expired, the Marlins set the May 1 date.

Did you here Karl "Marlins have best middle infield in baseball"

Did you guys see the ticker on the bottom. "Is the Marlins pitching staff the best in the NHL"...Wrong league guys...LOL

Money for Marlins clears House panel, but still faces long road BRENT KALLESTAD Associated Press TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - The Florida Marlins' hopes of receiving state dollars to help them build a new stadium received a temporary boost from a House panel on Thursday, yet the Senate president remained firm that no deal to help the World Series champions will be made in this year's session. The House Committee on Finance and Tax voted 17-6 to approve an amended revenue bill that included a $60 million subsidy the team has sought. But it's doubtful that the plan can advance without Senate President Jim King's backing - and he reiterated that isn't coming before the session ends April 30. "Rich people getting richer off of taxpayer dollars," King said. "I don't want to be a part of that." Gov. Jeb Bush, who backs the subsidy, said he was hopeful King might relent. "He was pretty adamant with me a couple of days ago, but as I said, in the last couple of weeks anything can happen," Bush said. The amendment does not specifically mention the Marlins, but they are the lone team that would qualify under its language. The subsidy would be considered as one that would go to an existing franchise in an existing two-team facility, but would be shifted to the club leaving for a new stadium - and the Marlins, who want to leave Pro Player Stadium, are the lone Florida team that would satisfy that equation. Without a new ballpark and the revenue streams it would provide, the team says its future in South Florida would be jeopardized. Team officials say they have lost millions annually, even after last year's World Series title. "How much is enough to keep the world champion baseball team?" asked committee chairman Rep. Randy Johnson, R-Celebration, who said he expects the issue to receive plenty of debate on the House floor. The team say a new ballpark would provide a cash influx from use of luxury-suite rentals and profits from parking and concession sales. It currently leases Pro Player from former Marlins owner Wayne Huizenga, who also profits from the parking and concessions. Huizenga received the same $60 million state break - $2 million annually for 30 years - when the Marlins began play in 1993. He still has annual break, although he no longer owns the team. King has reservations about giving the Marlins the break again, although the team has different ownership. The Marlins are seeking a 38,000-seat, retractable-roof stadium that would open in time for the 2007 season and would cost an estimated $325 million - a figure some industry experts say is too low to be a practical guess. Team owner Jeffrey Loria and the organization have committed $137 million toward construction, and Miami-Dade County has pledged $73 million. Even if they secure the state money, the Marlins would have a minimum gap of $55 million and haven't said where that money would come from. The Marlins say they need to have a plan for construction of a new stadium in place by May 1, but have refused to publicly discuss what happens if that deadline passes without a deal. The team had originally set a March 15 deadline, announced on the same day hundreds of thousands of fans turned out for rallies in Miami and Fort Lauderdale to celebrate Florida's World Series victory over the New York Yankees. But when that deadline expired, the Marlins simply set the May 1 date.

Update for April 15th RHPs Trevor Hutchinson and Kevin Cave combined to pitch a 7-inning no-hitter in Carolina's (FLA) 5-0 whitewash of Huntsville (MIL). That's a no-hitter against prospects like 2B Rickie Weeks, 1B Prince Fielder, and LF Brad Nelson. Darn impressive. Hutchinson pitched the first 6 innings, allowing one walk and K'ing 4. Cave finished the no-no out with a scoreless 7th inning. Hutchinson is 2-0 with a 1.64 ERA after 2 starts. He's starting to stand out in the ultra-thin Marlins' farm system. The Fish don't need big league starters right now, though. How great are the Marlins? Wow! D-Train 4 Life. C Josh Willingham crushed his 3rd homer of the season for the Mudcats in the win. The Cats would win game two of the doubleheader, as well, 5-1. CF Eric Reed went 3-for-4 with a double, a steal, and 2 runs scored and 3B Joe Dillon was a perfect 4-for-4 with 2 doubles, a run scored, and 2 RBIs for the Mudcats. Reed is 8th in the SL in batting with a .400 average. Dillon, 28, leads the SL in batting (.545) and homers (4) and he's tied for 1st in RBIs (10).

If Wayne didnt want the Marlins to compete with the Dolphins, he wouldnt have brought the Marlins as an expansion team into S. Florida in the first place.

As of 7 games, Alfonzo is hitting .443, 4 HR, 13 RBI

Eliezer Alfonzo is a cousin of San Francisco's Edgardo Alfonzo. Gotten off to a fast start but is close to not being a prospect (24 y/o). They should move him up to Double A but Josh Willingham is there.

April 12th Florida Marlins Triple-A Albuquerque (1-3): CF Chris Aguila is 5-for-15 with 3 RBIs in the Isotopes' first four games. Aguila is a good hitter, but he lacks the power to start as a corner outfielder in the majors. He should be a quality extra outfielder, though. C Ryan Jorgensen doubled and homered in his only game of the season. Not a bad debut. LHP Frank Gracesqui has struck out 5 batters in 3 scoreless innings of relief. Gracesqui should be a call-up lock this season. RHP Ben Howard didn't allow a hit or a run in 3 innings of relief for the 'Topes. RHP Mike Flannery has pitched 2 scoreless innings of relief. Double-A Carolina (2-2): The Mudcats are hitting, but they aren't pitching. 1B Jason Stokes is 4-for-10 with a homer, 4 runs scored, and 4 RBIs, C Josh Willingham is 3-for-11 (.273) with 2 jacks, 5 runs scored, and 3 ribs, CF Eric Reed is 6-for-16 (.375) with a homer, 2 steals, and 3 runs scored, and RF Chip Ambres is 5-for-15 with 2 doubles, 3 runs scored, and 3 RBIs. RHP Trevor Hutchinson is the only starter for the Mudcats to turn in a good outing. Hutchinson dished out 2 runs in 5 innings to notch his first win. LHP Bill Murphy was victimized by 3 bombs in his start. Murphy would pitch 4.2 innings, allowing 4 runs on 4 hits and 2 walks, K'ing 5. RHP Ronald Belisario was pinned with the "L" in his start after giving up 6 runs -- 4 earned -- and 5 hits in 4 innings. He walked 3 and K'ed 3. RHP Nic Ungs was roughed up for 5 runs and 9 hits in 4 innings in his start. High-A Jupiter (0-4): RHP Yorman Bazardo pitched well for the Hammerheads but LHP Scott Olsen and RHP Logan Kensing did not. Bazardo did not receive a decision in his start, but he only allowed 2 runs -- one earned -- and 4 hits in 6 innings pitched. Olsen handed out 3 runs and 6 hits in 3 innings to take the loss in his start. Kensing gave up 5 runs -- 4 earned -- and 9 hits in 4 innings. CF Travis Ezi, RF Charles Frazier, and DH Eliezer Alfonzo have led the way offensively for Jupiter. Ezi, 22, is 5-for-17 (.294) with 2 doubles, a triple, a homer, and 4 runs scored. Frazier, 23, is 5-for-13 (.385) with a homer and 3 runs scored. Alfonzo, 25, is 7-for-16 (.438) with 2 taters and 6 RBIs. Low-A Greensboro (2-2): 1B Ryan Bear and 3B Joe Mazzuca have hit the best for the Bats early on. Bear is 6-for-17 (.353) with 4 runs scored and Mazzuca is 4-for-12 with a double, a triple, and 4 runs scored. Youngsters CF Jai Miller and 2B Cole Seifrig are the two position prospects to keep an eye on. Miller is 6-for-18, but he hasn't picked up an extra-base hit or a walk. He's fanned 6 times. Seifrig is 6-for-20 (.300) with 3 doubles and a steal, but 7 Ks. RH Gabriel Benitez won his first start for the Bats, surrendering 3 runs -- one earned -- and 4 hits in 5 innings, K'ing 4. RHP Mauro Zarate gave up 4 runs -- 2 earned -- and 5 hits in 3 innings in his first start. Heres updates for April 13-14th 1B Jason Stokes doubled in 2 runs while RHPs Peter Bauer, Mike McNutt, and Jerrod Fuell combined to pitch a 2-hit shutout against the hard-hitting Huntsville Stars, as Carolina cruised to a 5-0 win. Stokes is hitting .385 and slugging .692 in 4 games. On the negative side, he's fanned 6 times in 13 ABs. RHP Josh Johnson rung up 7 batters in 5 innings of 2-hit, one-run ball to help lead Jupiter (FLA) to an 8-2 victory over Daytona (CHC). Johnson is a very intriguing prospect. The 6-foot-7 righty has a plus slider and low-90s gas. RF Jeremy Hermida made his 2004 debut for Jupiter, going 1-for-5 with an RBI. CF Travis Ezi had a manic depressive day for the Hammerheads, lining a double and a triple and knocking in 2 runs while also striking out 3 times. Ezi leads the FSL in extra-base hits with 6. RF Jeremy Hermida went 2-for-5 with a run scored and an RBI and C Eliezer Alfonzo tripled, homered twice, scored 3 times, and knocked in 6 runs to help power Jupiter (FLA) to a 9-7 triumph over Daytona (CHC). Alfonzo, 25, leads the FSL in homers (4) and RBIs (12). He belongs at Double-A. RHP Yorman Bazardo started the tilt for Jupiter, giving up 4 runs -- 3 earned -- and 6 hits in 5 innings. Bazardo has a 3.27 ERA after 2 starts. Travis Ezi, the player aquired in the Encarnacion deal, has gotten off the a fast start. Alot of other players are looking good.

The Marlins-Expos game was the first game on the itinarary. Gammons said that experts undermined the marlins since we lost Lee, Pudge and Encarnacion but they forgot about our starting pitching. The Starting Picthing combo of Beckett-Penny-Pavano reached over the bump in the post season and instead of laying back this season they have made a point to continue their success. Also, Hank Reynolds said that batting coach Bill Robinson saved Hee Seop Choi's career. Choi supposedly shows up 1 hour before practice to work on his swing and Robinson has shortened his swing so that he hits for more power and contact. He showed a comparison of his swing w/ the Cubs and now with the Marlins and you can clearly see the difference. Harold sounded impressed with Choi.

This is just the first step but nevertheless a step in the right direction. House speaker slips Marlins subsidy in tax bill By S.V. Date, Palm Beach Post Capital Bureau Thursday, April 15, 2004 TALLAHASSEE -- House Speaker Johnnie Byrd has quietly slipped a $60 million subsidy for the Florida Marlins into a broader tax bill scheduled to get its first hearing today. The $2-million-a-year payment does not mention the Marlins by name, but the only team eligible under the bill would be one that plays in a stadium used by two professional sports teams, and which in previous years had received another subsidy for that stadium. There's only one team and stadium in the state that fit that description: the Marlins and Pro Player Stadium. The bill specifies that the existing subsidy would be deemed as going to the team remaining in a stadium -- the Miami Dolphins football team, in this case -- while the new subsidy for the new, yet-to-be-built stadium would go to the departing team -- the Marlins. The bill is scheduled to be heard this afternoon in the House's Finance and Taxation Committee meeting. It is included in a proposed bill, sponsored by the committee, for technical changes requested by the Department of Revenue. Byrd, R-Plant City, and his allies have been angry with the committee's chairman, Rep. Randy Johnson, R-Celebration, since he voted this session against Byrd's efforts to repeal the phone rate increases that Byrd pushed last year but is now opposing. Legislative sources said Johnson did not support the Marlins subsidy but was told to insert it in the bill by Byrd, who wants the support of South Florida baseball fans now that he is running for the U.S. Senate. Johnson would not discuss how or why the Marlins language was inserted in the bill. "It is what it is," he said. Byrd spokesman Tom Denham said the Marlins portion of the bill was requested by the "South Florida delegation," but that Byrd himself is still studying the issue. "He hasn't made his final decision yet," Denham said. Former Marlins owner H. Wayne Huizenga got the first such sports stadium subsidy in 1993 for the Marlins team that he then owned. Lawmakers agreed to give him as much as $2 million a year for 30 years to retrofit his Dolphins' football stadium for baseball. When the Department of Revenue found that the conversion had cost no more than $10 million and tried to restrict payments, lawmakers changed the law to let Huizenga get the full $60 million over 30 years regardless. Six other sports teams have since received the $2 million-a-year subsidy, including -- because of another change in the law -- franchises that were already in Florida but wanted new stadiums. Huizenga also tried to get $2 million a year for his Dolphins in 1997 -- after getting the same subsidy for the Marlins at that same stadium four years earlier -- but the plan was defeated in the newly Republican-controlled House of Representatives on a floor vote. The Marlins now complain that because of a bad lease previous owner John Henry signed, the money from their subsidy goes to Huizenga, who continues to own Pro Player. Senate President Jim King on Wednesday repeated his opposition to a new subsidy for the Marlins. Gov. Jeb Bush, who four years ago threatened to veto a Marlins subsidy because it would come from a tax on cruise ship passengers, has said this year that a second Marlins subsidy would be a matter of fairness -- because the original subsidy could be thought of as benefiting the Dolphins. The Marlins, now owned by Jeffrey Loria, are looking for the $60 million, 30-year subsidy as part of a package for a new, $325 million domed stadium. Team officials have said they may leave South Florida if they do not get public help for a new park.

go to google.com...they have a picture search

Saw it too...finally getting props on the national level...it is funny that D train has as much HR (1) and RBI (3) as ARod in 6 AB's

I read in a newspaper article in the Herald that it was 12 hits or more.

Im not cutting the guy slack. He only wants to play b/c he feels the clock is running out and he wants a big pay later in the future. I dont want a guy like this on my team. He is giving a hard time b/c he wants to play somewhere else so the Marlins trade him, he starts playing and hopefully 2-3 years down the line he gets the the $$ hes always seeked. Its not the marlins fault he developed late...he could've won a starting spot any year till last year so stop whining Nunez.

He has a chance to develop here since this is what the org does best. In Chi town, he was surrounded by vets and coaches who are not used to developing players and taking them under their wing.

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- They moved the outfield fences back about 20 feet to cut down on home runs, but that couldn't stop Miguel Cabrera. He hit two. They replaced the bouncy Astroturf with thicker FieldTurf to cut down on hits, but that didn't matter to Brad Penny. He hardly allowed opponents to make contact, allowing two hits and striking out 10. Hiram Bithorn Stadium underwent $8 million in off-season renovations to help the Montreal Expos compete, but that didn't prevent Cabrera and Penny from sparking the Marlins to a 5-0 victory Tuesday night before 14,620. After being picked once again in the pre-season to miss the playoffs, the defending World Series champions are off to the franchise's best start since 1997, improving to a majors-best 6-1. "Hey, they count,'' manager Jack McKeon said about Florida's hot start coming so early in the season. "They're just as important early in the season as they are late. We don't want to be sitting around trying to make up games. Let's win them now, win them when we can.'' Perhaps no one wanted to win more this season than Penny did Tuesday. In his first start he lost to the Expos 3-2 on April 6. "You don't want to have the only two losses on the team. I did think about that before the game: 'Damn, I better win tonight,' " said Penny, who needs one win to tie Ryan Dempster's club record of 42 career victories. He dominated the Expos by staying in front in the count and working his curveball effectively to give the Marlins their second shutout in less than a week. For his final out, he snagged Brian Schneider's line drive to end the eighth inning, then gently set the ball on the pitching rubber and walked off the mound. Penny, now 11-3 in his career against the Expos, also was motivated by the impressive performances of his fellow starters, who have a combined ERA of 1.61 while allowing opponents to hit just.188. "Let them have a little competition among themselves,'' McKeon said. "(Josh) Beckett sat alongside me; he's rooting for this guy. (Dontrelle) Willis is rooting for this guy. The end result is they pull for their buddies.'' After watching Beckett strike out 11 in Sunday's 3-1 win against the Phillies, Penny took first baseman Hee Seop Choi home to have Easter Sunday dinner with his family. Penny treated the South Korean native to deer meat that he and his father hunted in the off-season. "We got a bunch of friends playing together,'' Penny said. "Even in the minor leagues, I've never been on a team like this. Everybody is so close.'' When spring training games started last month, McKeon had his starters pitch on four days' rest so they would be strong early in the season. "I have seen so many clubs with guys who were not ready. They'd be ready for May 15, but I wanted them ready for April 1,'' he said. "I've said all along these guys are just starting to get to the top. They're not there yet." Cabrera, who now leads with five home runs, said the starting pitchers have motivated him to produce at the plate. He has four home runs in his past eight at-bats. "We need to keep this going and help the pitchers because we have a good staff,'' said Cabrera, who went 3-for-3 with three RBI. "They're doing well right now and we need to support them.'' Cabrera, who turns 21 Sunday, hit his team-leading fourth home run in the first inning, an opposite-field shot to right off Claudio Vargas. He added his fifth in the sixth inning with a rising line drive into the left-field bleachers after working the count from 0-2 to 3-2. "He's going to be a superstar,'' Penny said. ''I'm going to be watching him on TV one day and say, 'I played with that guy.' " http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/conten...410262007b.html

MIAMI (AP) - Hee Seop Choi has never felt so comfortable so far from home. Manager Jack McKeon has given him a few nicknames, including "Big Choi" and "Big I-Hop." Third base coach Jeff Cox has learned several Korean phrases. And in less than a week, fans have started chanting his name during at-bats. "It's got to be a plus for him," McKeon said. "To get received like this has got to be a tremendous lift for him. He's come out and done it early and gotten the fans on his side. It's got to help his confidence." Choi hit three home runs in Florida's first six games, helping the World Series champions get off to the best start in the National League at 5-1. Florida's pitching has been the key; the starters have a 1.93 ERA and 41 strikeouts with just nine walks in 42 1-3 innings. They also are 6-for-12 at the plate. But Choi's bat was the difference in two close games. The 25-year-old South Korean, acquired in the trade that sent Gold Glove first baseman Derrek Lee to the Chicago Cubs, drove in three runs in a 4-3 victory over Montreal on opening day. He hit a two-run homer estimated at 419 feet in his first at-bat. Then with the game tied 2-2 and men on first and third, Choi topped a grounder to second that brought home the go-ahead run. On Saturday, Choi hit two solo homers in a 4-3 win over Philadelphia. The first was a line drive that barely cleared the fence but prompted team owner Jeffrey Loria to tell Choi after the game that it was the "hardest home run I've ever seen hit." Choi's second of the game had a sellout crowd chanting his name. "I heard that a lot in Chicago," Choi said through an interpreter. "I didn't expect to hear that here so soon. I was happy." Choi gets more attention back home than fellow countrymen Chan Ho Park (Texas), Byung-Hyun Kim (Boston) and Sun-Woo Kim (Montreal) because he is the only position player from his country in the major leagues. The series finale against the Phillies on Sunday was televised nationally in South Korea with a 4:05 a.m. local start. Choi is enjoying his role with the Marlins and likes playing in Florida more than he did Chicago, the franchise he signed with in 1999. The biggest reason is his relationship with McKeon, Cox and hitting coach Bill Robinson. The coaches have gone out of their way to communicate with the six-foot-five first baseman. Even though Choi speaks and understands some English, McKeon and Cox learned about a dozen Korean phrases during spring training to use in the clubhouse and dugout. "Cho ta," which means "great job," is their most popular one. "I sympathize with him, I really do," Robinson said. "I realize how tough it's got to be here. It's a different culture, a different way of life. But the thing we've got to remember is it's still baseball. And he knows baseball." Robinson hasn't picked up Korean quite like the other coaches, so he typically just shows Choi he wants him to do and he does it. "It's like sign language," Robinson said. "Luckily for us, he's smart and he learns fast." Choi hit .218 with eight homers in 80 games with the Cubs last season. No one expected him to fully replace Lee, who made eye-opening plays at first base and hit .271 with 31 homers and 92 RBIs. "Replacing Derrek Lee isn't easy," catcher Mike Redmond said. "But he's showing everybody what kind of player he is. He's going to be a big part of our offence and our team. And it's great to see him off to such a great start."

Maybe the cost of producing a game for TV overthere is more expensive.

I did a seach for "marlins rings" on eBay and came up with 51 results - most of them being the giveaway replicas from yesterday.

Im not a Homer...look at his stats - they speak for themselves...when you allow a BA of .187 for your career you are doing something right

I think the guy had a bad rap in NY due to the media overthere. In todays game, there was a graphic that showed Benitez allowing a .187 BA in his career. That ranks 3rd best in baseball behind the Phils Wagner. I think he is going to surprise everyone who was badmouthing the trade. All im going to say is "In Beinfest I trust".