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all of you who are saying we are going to have a problem if benitez has to pitch five times a week, i wouldnt get too worked up. This was a great week, benitez will not be averaging five save opportunities a week for the entire season, i promise you this much.

Whew. Thanks - I feel better.

 

We don't have enough of an offense to blow people out and score a lot of runs. And we have strong enough starting pitching so we won't allow many runs. Therefore we'll be playing in lots of low scoring games, which are by nature close games. I'm very worried that we'll wear out Fox and Benitez in all the close games we'll be playing. We need one more guy to step up. I had hoped it would be Bump but it won't be if he refuses to throw strikes.

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all of you who are saying we are going to have a problem if benitez has to pitch five times a week, i wouldnt get too worked up. This was a great week, benitez will not be averaging five save opportunities a week for the entire season, i promise you this much.

Weeks like this will take their toll on him over the course of a season. Even an average of 2.5 appearances a week translates into 65 appearances over a full season....and this is too much. 2 appearances a week by Benitez should be the norm.

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We need one more guy to step up. I had hoped it would be Bump but it won't be if he refuses to throw strikes.

Wayne will be the guy who steps it up, once he's given a shot.

 

*ducks from incoming rocks*

 

No, really. I mean it.

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We need one more guy to step up. I had hoped it would be Bump but it won't be if he refuses to throw strikes.

Wayne will be the guy who steps it up, once he's given a shot.

 

*ducks from incoming rocks*

 

No, really. I mean it. I think it'll be Perisho, just to offset the righties, Foxy and Senor Nasty II. And so far so good with Perisho. :notworthy

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all of you who are saying we are going to have a problem if benitez has to pitch five times a week, i wouldnt get too worked up. This was a great week, benitez will not be averaging five save opportunities a week for the entire season, i promise you this much.

Whew. Thanks - I feel better.

 

We don't have enough of an offense to blow people out and score a lot of runs. And we have strong enough starting pitching so we won't allow many runs. Therefore we'll be playing in lots of low scoring games, which are by nature close games. I'm very worried that we'll wear out Fox and Benitez in all the close games we'll be playing. We need one more guy to step up. I had hoped it would be Bump but it won't be if he refuses to throw strikes.

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We don't have enough of an offense to blow people out and score a lot of runs. And we have strong enough starting pitching so we won't allow many runs. Therefore we'll be playing in lots of low scoring games, which are by nature close games.

So, we're the Oakland A's?

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We need one more guy to step up. I had hoped it would be Bump but it won't be if he refuses to throw strikes.

Wayne will be the guy who steps it up, once he's given a shot.

 

*ducks from incoming rocks*

 

No, really. I mean it. You mean the guy that hasn't even pitched yet?

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What about Darren Oliver? Should we expect him in the pen by the trading deadline? He's a lefty who knows how to pitch.

 

It would helpful to have Oliver in the pen later on in the season if and when AJ comes back but what are you going to do until then? You can't throw Fox and Benitez out there 60 games between now and all-star break, we need a surrogate closer now, someone with experience who knows how to get outs in the eighth and ninth.

 

I'm not sure how well Oliver will do in save situations, he's not the kind of pitcher that is going to overpower anyone, but he'd be better than Bump and Wayne who seem mismatched to the task. If you add Oliver to the pen and either Wayne or Bump is demoted, you'll have three lefties in the pen. I don't know if that's good or bad but it certainly is unorthodox.

 

And for the record I'm still sick about not getting Reitsma. Grrrrrrr

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We need a guy now, definitely. Oliver going to the pen will only serve to eliminate the need to trade a Willingham or even Hermida for bullpen help in a pennant or wild card race. We will get ripped off if we wait until the deadline, and so DO or ABJ will hopefully come in handy at that juncture. Any chance an experienced minor leaguer (Hutchinson?) gets off to a fast start and is ready by May? We are recycling the same young relievers, and fresh faces have made big impacts before. I just hope, like you, that this is resolved sooner rather than later, making converting a starter like DO a luxury.

 

Then again, maybe a Chad Fox will fall from the sky (or waivers).

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Well, I strongly believe Spooney would be our answer but he is hurt for a while. Perisho needs more chances to show what he can do. He has not impressed me so far, but It would be pretty hard for anyone to impress people after two innings. I think we have to hope for some FA or like mentioned prior to my post, when AJ comes back, use Oliver as Trade Bait.

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If you're talking about moving a starter to the pen (Oliver or Willis, both lefties), personally I'd like to see Penny closing (getting out my fire retardent gear because I know I'm gonna get flamed) with that stuff of his but his ego won't allow him to put the team first above his desire to be a starting pitcher.

 

With a AJ, Beckett, Pavano, Oliver and DW starting Penny could be unbeatable closing next to Mando.

 

But "Duke" just wouldn't do it.

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Another idea worth considering is keeping Oliver in the rotation, and putting Willis in the pen. Willis is a hard thrower with good stuff, better suited than Oliver for late innings.

umm im assuming you didnt see him play thursday?

yeah, train would be better than oliver in the pen, but using dontrelle out of the pen is like having a ferrari and driving it 20 MPH. his stuff is so sick

 

we need one more arm that can save these guys some innings and we can find that through waivers, the minors or in a trade. we dont need trelle in the pen :thumbdown

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If you're talking about moving a starter to the pen (Oliver or Willis, both lefties), personally I'd like to see Penny closing (getting out my fire retardent gear because I know I'm gonna get flamed) with that stuff of his but his ego won't allow him to put the team first above his desire to be a starting pitcher.

 

With a AJ, Beckett, Pavano, Oliver and DW starting Penny could be unbeatable closing next to Mando.

 

But "Duke" just wouldn't do it.

I've been split between this. Penny is a guy that could save 40-50 games a year in a closing situation. But he's also a guy that will win 15 games.

 

If you ever DO move Penny to the pen, it HAS to be as a closer. But with Senor Nasty II in that role this year, it's not that time. I'm not sure that time will ever come. Why?

 

15 win starter > 40 save closer

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I would take 40-50 saves from Penny versus 15 wins any day. If AJ is truly back you're going to get your quality starts anyways, but those quality starts don't mean anything if you can't close out games.

 

I'm just talking hypothetically here, there isn't a chance in a million that Penny will wind up in the pen, I was trying to make the point that moving Oliver or Willis isn't necessarily the answer to our shortage of guys who can close out games over a hundred and sixty-two game season.

 

But imagine for a moment Penny, Fox and Mando closing out your games. Whew !

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But imagine for a moment Penny, Fox and Mando closing out your games. Whew !

I think it's a waste. Having Brad Penny as your #2 or #3 guy in the bullpen is a waste of innings. Penny is capable of giving the Marlins 200 solid innings a season and winning 15 games. It's not worth giving that up for 60 innings in games when Fox and Benitez are too tired to go.

 

Wild Card is right ... the only way you ever even consider making Brad Penny into a reliever is as the clear #1 closer, not as part of a committee.

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But imagine for a moment Penny, Fox and Mando closing out your games. Whew !

I think it's a waste. Having Brad Penny as your #2 or #3 guy in the bullpen is a waste of innings. Penny is capable of giving the Marlins 200 solid innings a season and winning 15 games. It's not worth giving that up for 60 innings in games when Fox and Benitez are too tired to go.

 

Wild Card is right ... the only way you ever even consider making Brad Penny into a reliever is as the clear #1 closer, not as part of a committee.

I'm not here to defend what I admitted was a hypothetical. I think I've said twice - it will never happen - and I put it out for discussion because neither Oliver nor Willis are going to give you what you need in the eighth or ninth with any consistency.

 

But the fact remains we need another Penny-type arm in the pen to close and we need that person sooner rather than later. As long as the Fish keep scoring three or four runs a game there's not going to be any margin for error and we need another guy who can shut down the opposition consistently.

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