i think mark mcqwire is a more popular than bonds because mark and sosa did something in 1998 that saved baseball from becoming a league like the nhl. barry bonds is one of those players that won't be loved for many years because most people think bonds is a jerk, he hasn't promoted baseball like most people have wanted. he hasn't promoted the game to african americans whick he should do. sammy sosa on the other hand has promoted the game. (mind you i don't like sosa.)

People don't hate Bonds cause they're racsit, they hate him because's hes a douche bag that thinks of nobody but himself. Sure the guy can hit homers, but coming out and publicly stating that "I'm better than Babe Ruth" was f***ing stupid. What the hell did he expect to happen? The only person in any sport who could get away with saying they were the best was Muhammad Ali. Why? Because he backed it up, and he wasnt too much of a pansy to give an interview to explain himself. All Bonds does is hit homers, dodges the media, and then cries like a b***h when he doesnt get a world series ring. I hope he never gets a ring. Never. And truth be told I wish he wouldnt break Aaron's record, but I know he will. This should be a time every baseball fan is excited to be witnessing. But it's not. And it's all because of these crybaby Bonds worshipers who try to make all these excuses as to why Bonds being an a**hole is justified. Its not. He puts his pants on the same way I do in the morning. Sure he's the best hitter of our generation. Who cares? He's not any better a human being than the next guy, yet he expects to be treated as if he was the central character in "The Passion". Bonds is a jackass, plain and simple. Like him if you want, that doesnt bother me one bit. But don't play the race card because some people don't like to cheer for a spoiled narcissistic crybaby, whether he be Black, White, Indian or Asian. Being a Douche an equal oppurtunity job, and that is one catergory my friends, in which Bonds' record will NEVER be touched.

Maybe I just have been blind but I'm not sure what you are talking about. Last couple of years he's had plenty to complain about, but I haven't heard him complain. When they were dismantling the team last year I didn't hear anything from him.

 

Maybe you can enlighten me because I'm not sure what you are talking about.

You didn't hear him complain because he refuses to talk to the media anyway.

 

And I'm just being an idiot, some have said he's been a problem in the locker room, but who knows if you can believe that. There's been a general feeling around the Reds (i.e. Reds media coverage) that Seattle Griffey was an act and he's no different from all the other primadonnas. I've heard him compared to Bonds a few times.

 

Again, who knows if it's true. He won't talk to them, so I'm sure they have a vendetta. Griffey has really fallen out of the spotlight the last couple of years and I guess all I know of Griffey is the guy that played in Seattle. When I think of him as a Red I just think of the injuries. I didn't even know he doesn't talk to the media, but it makes sense because I can't remember the last time I've seen him do an interview.

People don't hate Bonds cause they're racsit, they hate him because's hes a douche bag that thinks of nobody but himself. Sure the guy can hit homers, but coming out and publicly stating that "I'm better than Babe Ruth" was f***ing stupid. What the hell did he expect to happen? The only person in any sport who could get away with saying they were the best was Muhammad Ali. Why? Because he backed it up, and he wasnt too much of a pansy to give an interview to explain himself. All Bonds does is hit homers, dodges the media, and then cries like a b***h when he doesnt get a world series ring. I hope he never gets a ring. Never. And truth be told I wish he wouldnt break Aaron's record, but I know he will. This should be a time every baseball fan is excited to be witnessing. But it's not. And it's all because of these crybaby Bonds worshipers who try to make all these excuses as to why Bonds being an a**hole is justified. Its not. He puts his pants on the same way I do in the morning. Sure he's the best hitter of our generation. Who cares? He's not any better a human being than the next guy, yet he expects to be treated as if he was the central character in "The Passion". Bonds is a jackass, plain and simple. Like him if you want, that doesnt bother me one bit. But don't play the race card because some people don't like to cheer for a spoiled narcissistic crybaby, whether he be Black, White, Indian or Asian. Being a Douche an equal oppurtunity job, and that is one catergory my friends, in which Bonds' record will NEVER be touched.

(stands up clapping)

someone posted this on another board that says it perfectly:

Race is more of a factor then most would like to believe, more subconsciously than anything. I just don't think it is fair for people to judge bonds as they do. If you asked anyone why they hate bonds they wouldn't have a real answer. He doesnt talk to the media that much so you can't say he's a obnoxious dork like shaq and he doesn't brag at all so you cant say he is full of himself. I have really no clue why people don't see him as the greatest of all time. And it goes farther than steriods, no one has ever liked the guy. I personally know what he has done and realize how great of a player he really is. People need to start asking themselves why they hate the guy and not act like the blind people they are.

I think what we have going here is a two-part argument:

1. Is Bonds the best player ever?

2. Do people not like Bonds because he is black?

 

As for the answers:

1. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. And for you to tell me that if he isn't number one on my list, that it's because of race, that's just plain stupid. I think Babe Ruth is the best, and that's not because he is white; it's because I believe he completely dominated his era (pitching and hitting). I would put Bonds two. But you have no right calling me racist for putting Ruth there.

 

2. You know, I think there are a select few people who do believe this, and they are that way in everything they believe. Is it wrong? Of course it is. But to completely assume that this many people hate him because of that is absurd. I happen to think Bonds is a very talented player, but you know what? That's my own opinion. I think it's sick how overused the race card is, not just in this case, but everywhere. Yes, a select number of people probably use this as their factor, but the vast majority don't. You need serious proof to start backing up any of these outrageous claims. He wouldn't be considered arrogane if he was white. Bonds disrespected Ruth because Ruth gets too much praise, only because he's white. At best, Ruth is the third greatest player of all time and the only reason why people put him in the top two is because he was white.

McGwire was beloved because he was white. In the 98 home run chase, if you were to replace Sosa with another white player, it would get even more hype. If you were to replace McGwire with Bonds, Griffey, or any other black player, it wouldn't get half the hype.

These are extremely serious claims with no type of backing once so ever; you're just stretching here for an argument.

As far as your claim of America being afraid of powerful black men, I'd like to ask you why any American follows the NBA then? Go through the NBA rosters, pick out the best players; how many are black, how many are white? I could sit here right now and say that Peja Stojakovic is underappreciated in the NBA because he isn't black and he's a minority there. But I have no claim or basis for any type of argument like that; it's stupid. This Bonds article is the same way. No basis or claim once so ever.

someone posted this on another board that says it perfectly:

Race is more of a factor then most would like to believe, more subconsciously than anything. I just don't think it is fair for people to judge bonds as they do. If you asked anyone why they hate bonds they wouldn't have a real answer. He doesnt talk to the media that much so you can't say he's a obnoxious dork like shaq and he doesn't brag at all so you cant say he is full of himself. I have really no clue why people don't see him as the greatest of all time. And it goes farther than steriods, no one has ever liked the guy. I personally know what he has done and realize how great of a player he really is. People need to start asking themselves why they hate the guy and not act like the blind people they are.

I think what we have going here is a two-part argument:

1. Is Bonds the best player ever?

2. Do people not like Bonds because he is black?

 

As for the answers:

1. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. And for you to tell me that if he isn't number one on my list, that it's because of race, that's just plain stupid. I think Babe Ruth is the best, and that's not because he is white; it's because I believe he completely dominated his era (pitching and hitting). I would put Bonds two. But you have no right calling me racist for putting Ruth there.

 

2. You know, I think there are a select few people who do believe this, and they are that way in everything they believe. Is it wrong? Of course it is. But to completely assume that this many people hate him because of that is absurd. I happen to think Bonds is a very talented player, but you know what? That's my own opinion. I think it's sick how overused the race card is, not just in this case, but everywhere. Yes, a select number of people probably use this as their factor, but the vast majority don't. You need serious proof to start backing up any of these outrageous claims. He wouldn't be considered arrogane if he was white. Bonds disrespected Ruth because Ruth gets too much praise, only because he's white. At best, Ruth is the third greatest player of all time and the only reason why people put him in the top two is because he was white.

McGwire was beloved because he was white. In the 98 home run chase, if you were to replace Sosa with another white player, it would get even more hype. If you were to replace McGwire with Bonds, Griffey, or any other black player, it wouldn't get half the hype.

These are extremely serious claims with no type of backing once so ever; you're just stretching here for an argument.

As far as your claim of America being afraid of powerful black men, I'd like to ask you why any American follows the NBA then? Go through the NBA rosters, pick out the best players; how many are black, how many are white? I could sit here right now and say that Peja Stojakovic is underappreciated in the NBA because he isn't black and he's a minority there. But I have no claim or basis for any type of argument like that; it's stupid. This Bonds article is the same way. No basis or claim once so ever.A-F***ing-Men

This article is bull, people aren't embracing Bonds because he is black. It is because he is arrogant and doesn't come across as a nice person. I promise you if Griffey was going after this record like everyone thought he would be 6 years ago, he would be embraced by almost everyone.

 

McGwire was embraced because he had respect for the record he passed also, Bonds has already disrespected Ruth one of the guys he's trying to pass, and I think that that hurt Bonds also.

He wouldn't be considered arrogane if he was white. Bonds disrespected Ruth because Ruth gets too much praise, only because he's white. At best, Ruth is the third greatest player of all time and the only reason why people put him in the top two is because he was white.

McGwire was beloved because he was white. In the 98 home run chase, if you were to replace Sosa with another white player, it would get even more hype. If you were to replace McGwire with Bonds, Griffey, or any other black player, it wouldn't get half the hype. How about you give Bonds a hummer while you or at it?

 

McGwire did nothing but praise Maris and ect as he smashed the record with his steroid power. bonds pretty much said the best player ever, Ruth, had nothing on him and then continued to say he's the next generation of negro league players. Bond's brought up race AND YOUR BROUGHT UP RACE. That makes you the racists, not us.

 

1. Not the way people were critical of Bonds

Mac wasn't as much of an arrogant ass, two he wasn't a posterboy for an illegal drug ring, and three he did get a lot of heat for taking a legal drug, even though I personally believe he was flat out juicing.

 

2. So McGwire admitted to doing it, while there is 0 proof on Bonds, yet Bonds gets all the crap

1. McGwire got crap

2. There's all the proof in the world besides a positive drug test and a picture of Bonds injecting...two things we think Bonds would be smart enough not to allow.

 

3. About the three lockers, all the greats get that kind of treatment, and a black guy being vocal is "shooting his mouth".

But the one about the fight with kent, Kent was cussing out a teammate so Bonds came to his defense and told him to back off and Kent got into his face and shoved him, so Bonds had to defend himself

No, Alex Rodriguez, Albert Pujols, and Pedro Martinez do not have three lockers and a sperate stereosystem...why? because they have some respect for their team, unlike that a**hole bonds. Bonds doesn't shoot his mouth because he's black, he does because that's what he does ALL THE TIME. Did Jeff Kent ever yell "White Power"? No, but Bonds yelled "Black Power."

 

And I'm not Kent fan either, so my memory of the incident is not specific.

 

 

4. So? Ever heard of lifting weights?

Yeah, so many guys in their late 30s simply lift weights and then become among the strongest men in the sport...and oh yeah, they creditied all their muscle growth to an illegal steroid ring, and oh yeah, his head grew a mile.

 

5. He is better than Ruth, and Mays is the greatest of all time

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You're just stupid then. Ted Williams, Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth all have higher career OPS, better career OBP (by far the msot important stat in sports) and Babe, Ted, and Lou have equal or better career OPS+. So you're obviously just not knowledgable of baseball.

 

7. So? He has multiple trainers and just because he's friends with someone does that convict him? If a friend of yours is a drug dealer does that make you a druggie?

If that friend of mine gives me stuff from a company that happens to make nothing but drugs and I just say, "Well, I still get vitamins from the drug rings and dealer, I jsut don't take their drugs" that's jsut ridiculous.

 

8. About the thing with his son, they were crouding him and his son in the locker and literally stepping on him, he politely asked them to back off and when he didn't he said "you're stepping on my son, back off or i'll snap". He's doing what any good father would do. And i'd be angry too when the media treated me like that. And he does have to deal with a lot of race. Not to the level of Aaron but he still does.

 

Yeah, I'm sure the media was ready to step on Nikolei Bonds and snap his spine...that or Bonds is an idiot.

This warrants a seperate post for the sake of clarity.

 

Whoever draws out the race card in a situation like this is simply a racist. This has nothing to do with Bonds being black. Hell, he beat a black man's record (Mays) and will most probably break another black man's all time record. But do any of us here really give a crap if Mays, Ruth, or Aaron in black or white? I know I don't. You know who does? Those idiots who keep bringing race into this issue.

 

This is not about Bonds being black and breaking records, this is about a highly suspected cheater who's an arrogant prick with no class defaming all time greats like Ruth and breaking records hurting the integrity of the sport. That has nothing to do with race and ALL to do with everything else.

 

What's next, Giambi gets steroid heat because he's Italian? OR maybe it has something to do with the fact he's one of the best hitters in the game now and he has been most probably cheating?

 

So stop the race baiting, it's bulls***.

I just knew it was a matter of time before somebody played the race card. That's a load of crap. The reason people don't like Bonds is the fact that he is a jerk and the fact that he has so many connections to the steroid scandal. How can you like someone who makes no effort to be nice to the media and looks like a cheater? I'm sorry but thre are MANY black athletes that are embraced in America.

 

BTW, more attention was payed to Mark McGwire because he is the one who actually set the record!!! All season long, he had more homers than Sammy, why wouldn't he receive more attention when he was the more likely of the 2 to set the record? That only makes sense.

why did everyone follow the mcgwire 70 HR season and not barry's season?

 

because barry's homers came past 10pm eastern while mcgwire was playing primetime

Barry set the record after 9-11.

 

enough said.

 

 

Let me just add this:

Griffey was chosen over Barry Bonds for the all century team...

Both were on the west coast, but Griffey was considered the next hank aaron. People wanted Griffey, not Sosa or McGwire to break all the records. Griffey was the media favorite, Bonds was the outspoken jerk who struck out against Henry Rowengartner in Rookie of the Year.

 

Nothing, absolutely nothing to do with race...unless Griffey is white and I'm some how totally confused.

I know that I for one could care less about BB being black. He's still a prick. I don't mind that he's a prick either, its what makes him who he is. He could be orange and still be a prick. My 2 all-time favorite players are black (Sheffield and Pdub) yet I still don't like bonds. Maybe I'm just a confused racist waiting for further instructions from the media. Bonds will probably break Ruths and Aarons records and thats fine. One thing you should know though, breaking Ruths record for career homeruns doen't automatically make you better than Ruth. Let Barry log 100 W's on the mound and then come talk to me.

 

 

I took Sorianos "are you a racist" test and apparently I am a racist so disregard

Mays660Bonds,

 

People call Babe Ruth the best player of all time because the statistics show him to be the best player of all time. Take into account era or whatever, and he still is. Aaron isn't a better player than him just because he has more HR. Bonds isn't a better player than him either. That's not based on race - it's based on stats, something you were clearly ignoring when you made your statement that frankly has NO CLAIM whatsoever. And what makes Ruth's home run totals so impressive is that when he played, not many players hit a lot of HR. Back in the day that Ruth played, his home run totals were bigger than some team's home run totals!

 

I really think you are looking to make this a racial issue when it isn't one at all. Barry is a jerk and wouldn't be liked if he was black, white or purple. It has nothing to do with his race; it is his personality and the fact that everyone thinks he's a cheater. You have NO BASIS for stating people don't like Bonds beacuse he is black. Plenty of black athletes are loved in America. Bonds' personality is what keeps him from being liked by the public and the media.

People who don't like Bonds are either

1. Jealous that he's not on their team

2. Racist, either consiously or unconsiously

3. Gullible, and believe everything the media tells them

4- Pissed that he roids and is destroying the intergrity of a game that's records used to be filled with sanctity

thank you thank you thank you

I guess everyone in the entire world hates Michael Jordan because he is black?

Or Admin Bird was popular because he was white. And Sammy Sosa's public image is still relatively untarnished after corkgate, steroid, and charity controversies because he's latino (with black skin)? Sammy Sosa can deal with the media, Bonds cannot.

 

It is totally absurd.

 

I said it once, I'll say it again. Racists like that jerk from espn and maybonds660 make dumb people think that when blacks face adversity, it is purely because of their skin tone. In today's society this is totally absurd and all these people are doing is reinforcing and absurd inferiority complex. It is terrible for society. Bonds is a douche, green, purple or orange, now let's be done with it.

You want to know the real reason no one likes Bonds?

 

Because he thinks he is better than Babe Ruth, and he never will be even close. That is why.

You know this is a strong subject when I say this. I back up Soriano 100% here. We may have our differences, but Bonds being a roid shooting douche bag is something we agree on

Or Admin Bird was popular because he was white. And Sammy Sosa's public image is still relatively untarnished after corkgate, steroid, and charity controversies because he's latino (with black skin)? Sammy Sosa can deal with the media, Bonds cannot.

 

It is totally absurd.

 

I said it once, I'll say it again. Racists like that jerk from espn and maybonds660 make dumb people think that when blacks face adversity, it is purely because of their skin tone. In today's society this is totally absurd and all these people are doing is reinforcing and absurd inferiority complex. It is terrible for society. Bonds is a douche, green, purple or orange, now let's be done with it.

I completely agree. Mays660Bonds' statements and the picture he made in his signature line are ridiclous. He is being terribly narrow-minded and is spreading his narrow-mindedness all over this board. It's like he can't think of any other reason people would hate a black athlete other than racism. He can't possibly fathom that while people do like other black athletes, they don't like Barry because he is a jerk and a cheater.

 

Personally, I think it's articles like the one written by the ESPN writer that make racism persist in America. He has no factual evidence that people hate Barry because they are racist, yet writes his very arrogant article like that is the reason why everyone who hates Bonds hates him. I totally agree with you that it is not the people who hate Barry, but the ESPN author and Mays660Bonds who are the racists.

And why does GiantsFan hate this man?

 

 

It racism! LOL

 

Go Kobe!

WHITE ATHLETES I HATE

Lyle Overbay

Jeff Hornacek (dont even know why, but I do)

John Stockton (Just never liked him. Took the spotlight from Mark Price :thumbup )

Jeff Kent (Self righteous, overrated bastard)

Casey Candaele (did you ever see one of this guys baseball cards!?)

Babe Ruth (Guy was the best, but i personally dislike him)

Ty Cobb (Punk bastard)

Triple H

Bill Romanowski

Bill Walton

Eric Montross (Douche. Nuff said)

Will Perdue (Went to Vandy, and I still hate him)

Pete Rose

Peyton Manning (live in Nashville where Peyton is Gods OTHER son, you will too)

The entire Detroit Red Wings team

and the list goes on

 

Black Athletes I Hate

Barry Bonds

Terrell Owens

Chris Webber

Ameka Okefur (he helped beat Vandy And Duke, bastard)

Jamal Lewis (Bastard ran all over the Bengals)

and this list goes on as well

 

 

Does it make me racist cause I hate a few black athletes? I think not. But you thinking it does makes you Ignroant. :thumbup

People who don't like Bonds are either

1. Jealous that he's not on their team

2. Racist, either consiously or unconsiously

3. Gullible, and believe everything the media tells them

People who say this are either:

1. Stupid

2. Blindly in love with Bonds

3. Stupid

4. Blindly in love with Bonds

I just personally dislike athletes who claim that they are the greatest of all time, unless their name is Muhammed Ali. At least he could back it up. If Michael Jordan ever said that he was the greatest basketball player of all time, or even Wayne Gretzky, I wouldn't argue with them, as they are the best in their sports. The same can't be said for football or baseball, however.

Career AVG -

 

Ruth - .342

Bonds - sub .300

 

Career OPS -

 

Ruth: 1.164

Bonds: 1.035

 

 

Are those stats racist? GiantsFan, you are out of your gourd.