April 27, 200422 yr as a headway, they showed JP and called him the best leadoff hitter in the game....and they asked...."Could he be more valuable than barry bonds??"....i guess they're gonna do a little segment on him now. so turn it on! i love jp, but i dont think he is more valuable than barry, lets see what they say
April 27, 200422 yr lol, i just posted it, but i'll let you have this one dude. :cool : Kruk just declared Pierre more valuable than Bonds. PWNED
April 27, 200422 yr John is the MAN! Peter can suck my d**k, he is such a Marlin hater. "Whos got the RING?" John said, "That is there second winning season" said Peter, "And there second World Series Championship" said John and Peter stayed quiet.. haha! i love it!
April 27, 200422 yr Kruk is the MAN.... Gammons and Reynolds are idiots...BONDS BONDS BONDS...America wants to see Bonds....Herold Reynolds was like Pierre's ain't s***...basically..
April 27, 200422 yr clearly Kruk's had a few too many before the show though... I mean without Bonds, the Giants may as well not even show up to play. The Marlins could still be a competitive team without JP. (not as good certainly, but still..)
April 27, 200422 yr Author hahaha, peter and kruk just had a little fight... you guys see that? kruk kept backing us up paraphrasing: gammons: "SF won 100 games last year cause of barry" kruk: "marlins won a champoinship cause of pierre and good pitching" gammons: "that was also their 2nd winning season" kruk: "and their second championship" haha, gammons tried everything he could to not give JP props, but Kruk stuck to his guns, i really like the job he is doing, he wont let the older guys take control of the show, he gets his swings in. I LIKE IT!
April 27, 200422 yr as is expected check out the Giants forum after Kruk's comments... http://boards.espn.go.com/cgi/mlb/request....ST&room=mlb_sfo
April 27, 200422 yr Bonds is so overrated! The only reason why people are paying to see him is becuz they wanna see him break some record. But since when does the amount people wnating to c u dtermine how good of a player u are? The only thing Barry does is hit homeruns, and sometimes he can't even do that becuz they walk him so damn much. And what does Barry score when they walk him... nothing. If u walk Juan PIerre, ur in trouble, cuz that boy will run. If u don't walk him, he'll just hit the ball and get on base anyway. So i think JP is more valuble than Bonds... And that guy who said that JP was more valuable.. U the Man!!! JP IS THE mAN!!!
April 27, 200422 yr I hate to be mean but you have to be pretty dumb to either A. think Bonds is less valuable than JP or B. to think Bonds is overrated.
April 27, 200422 yr This is a very interesting argument. Remember, Kruk said Pierre is more valuable to HIS team than Bonds is to HIS team. Think about it. You can walk Bonds and beat them - in fact, that is what most teams do. But you cant just walk Pierre and forget about him. He changes the game. This is a very good argument because this is how the dynamic of the game changes. Last season, I felt Pierre and Castillo would be a success because of how they would force the defense to adjust to their speed. That opens up all kinds of places for the following hitters to place their hits. Someone has to cover second, the third baseman and the first baseman have to respect and be ready for the bunt. Bonds walks, and you take him out of the game and force his team to drive him in. Bonds is NOT going to steal 50+ bases. Pierre would cause so much havoc if he got on base as often as Bonds does. He already causes a lot of havoc. Remember, Kruk did not say that Pierre is BETTER than Bonds. He said simply that Pierre is more valuable to his team than Bonds. In other words, you can take Bonds out of the game by walking him and force his team to beat you, whereas if you do that with Pierre he is more likely to cause havoc on the basepaths AND his team is more likely to drive him in. In my opinion, Kruk won that argument.
April 27, 200422 yr Bonds is by far the most valuable player in the game. He changes the way it is played. The gap between him and the next guy in stat categories like OPS is just insane. Kruk is out of his mind. Pitchers tremble when they face Bonds and I'm sure they don't like pitching to Pierre because he's pesky but Bonds is the most feared hitter in the game.
April 28, 200422 yr Kruk wont take s*** from anyone and thats why I like him on BBTN, he may be wrong now and then but he will defend his reasoning and not back off his stance (the only time he did was when he faced Big Unit in the All-Star game but I forgive him for that..) Tonight's ruling: John Kruk: Da Man!!! Juan Pierre: Da Man!!!!!!!! Harold Reynolds/Peter Gammons: OWNED BY KRUK
April 28, 200422 yr Author i agree, bonds is more valuable..... what upsets me though is the way gammons and reynolds reacted to Kruks presentation. Kruk brought up some good points I mean, reynolds basically said "that is the last juan pierre highlight you'll see all year" douchebag
April 28, 200422 yr Pierre proved his value in Game 1 of the World Series when he bunted to start the game... I am not saying Pierre is a better hitter than Bonds, but I think the point trying to bemade is that when you compare Bonds drawing a walk versus Pierre drawing a walk, I think Pierre geting on base creates more intangibles as far as the options the team manager (McKeon) has as far as bringing that run in... As Harold Reynolds just said, You gotta manufactire runs...I think Pierre walking versus' Bonds walking creates more opportunities for runs to be manufactured
April 28, 200422 yr Pierre proved his value in Game 1 of the World Series when he bunted to start the game... I am not saying Pierre is a better hitter than Bonds, but I think the point trying to bemade is that when you compare Bonds drawing a walk versus Pierre drawing a walk, I think Pierre geting on base creates more intangibles as far as the options the team manager (McKeon) has as far as bringing that run in... As Harold Reynolds just said, You gotta manufactire runs...I think Pierre walking versus' Bonds walking creates more opportunities for runs to be manufactured Bonds scored more runs than Pierre last year though.
April 28, 200422 yr there's absolutely no way, in the world, that JP is more valuable than Barry, possibly the greatest ever
April 28, 200422 yr Do Pierre's "intagibles" on the basepaths truly even come anywhere near the incredible, massive value of Barry F Bonds? The fact that it was even debated worries me.
April 28, 200422 yr there's absolutely no way, in the world, that JP is more valuable than Barry, possibly the greatest ever Not more valuable in general, more valuable to HIS team. Kruk is right on the money. Pierre starts rallies whereas Bonds is the rally. Well said.
April 28, 200422 yr Bonds would be easily the most valuable player on any team, including his own, by a considerable margin.
April 28, 200422 yr no player is more valuble then Bonds, not even close. The pitcher is always thinking about Pierre when he's on base The pitcher is always thinking about Bonds three hitters before Bonds. Bonds effects the way a manager manages a game more then any other hitter. If he's due up to hit that inning it effects the way the guys in front of him are pitched to. Like Gammons once said: everybody on the Marlins would have started on that Giants team last year except for Bonds. and the Giants still had a better record
April 28, 200422 yr Hey at least they are debating about the marlins. Better than just saying JP gets a stolen base...
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