Mr.Loria going on the cheap when it came Pudge neotiaions was the worst move by any teams this year.THe Florida Marlins needed Pudge more than Pudge needed them.

 

 

Pudge is a winner and one hell of a player who elevates players around him.It amazing the turn around the Tigers have done.Just making the playoffs for the Tigers will be the equivalent of winning World Series.

i'm obliged to agree

I would love to have Pudge as much as anyone, but if we don't have the money, we don't have the money. Plain and simple.

I somewhat agree. But it is too late to play the shoulda/coulda game.

 

Who is to say that he would have performed at the same level down here?

I would like to thank Mr.Loria for his stupidity.

 

It would have been good business in the long run to resign Pudge because

 

A)The move would have really convince people in S.Florida.

B)Pudge would have equal more win therefore more bandwagons fan.

C)This team with Pudge could have definitely repeat which equals = $$$

I somewhat agree. But it is too late to play the shoulda/coulda game.

 

Who is to say that he would have performed at the same level down here?

434885[/snapback]

 

The guy is great player and always put ups great stats when healthy.

the funny thing is that @ times of negociations absolutely everyone here accussed pudge of not having any loyalty to the team and asking for ridiculous ammount of money.

 

everyone at the time felt it was smarter to let him go than signing him for the ammount of money he wanted. (i still feel that way, but i guess some here make conclussions way to quick and then change opinions like changing underwear).

the funny thing is that @ times of negociations absolutely everyone here accussed pudge of not having any loyalty to the team and asking for ridiculous ammount of money.

 

everyone at the time felt it was smarter to let him go than signing him for the ammount of money he wanted. (i still feel that way, but i guess some here make conclussions way to quick and then change opinions like changing underwear).

434891[/snapback]

 

I felt that way until I heard Pudge interview with Hank Goldberg and I realize how the Marlins numbers they release were bulls***.

the funny thing is that @ times of negociations absolutely everyone here accussed pudge of not having any loyalty to the team and asking for ridiculous ammount of money.

 

everyone at the time felt it was smarter to let him go than signing him for the ammount of money he wanted. (i still feel that way, but i guess some here make conclussions way to quick and then change opinions like changing underwear).

434891[/snapback]

 

I felt that way until I heard Pudge interview with Hank Goldberg and I realize how the Marlins numbers they release were bulls***.

434893[/snapback]

 

so what were the marlins #'s then?

pudge will retire a marlins........

 

 

or at least thats what my da keeps saying

the funny thing is that @ times of negociations absolutely everyone here accussed pudge of not having any loyalty to the team and asking for ridiculous ammount of money.

 

everyone at the time felt it was smarter to let him go than signing him for the ammount of money he wanted. (i still feel that way, but i guess some here make conclussions way to quick and then change opinions like changing underwear).

434891[/snapback]

 

I felt that way until I heard Pudge interview with Hank Goldberg and I realize how the Marlins numbers they release were bulls***.

434893[/snapback]

 

so what were the marlins #'s then?

434896[/snapback]

 

Less than what they claim.I can't remember exact number but you can email WQAM and ask for the Audio on the Show.

the funny thing is that @ times of negociations absolutely everyone here accussed pudge of not having any loyalty to the team and asking for ridiculous ammount of money.

 

everyone at the time felt it was smarter to let him go than signing him for the ammount of money he wanted. (i still feel that way, but i guess some here make conclussions way to quick and then change opinions like changing underwear).

434891[/snapback]

 

I felt that way until I heard Pudge interview with Hank Goldberg and I realize how the Marlins numbers they release were bulls***.

434893[/snapback]

 

so what were the marlins #'s then?

434896[/snapback]

 

Less than what they claim.I can't remember exact number but you can email WQAM and ask for the Audio on the Show.

434899[/snapback]

 

u don't have any rough idea?

pudge will retire a marlins........

 

 

or at least thats what my da keeps saying

434897[/snapback]

 

I'm not going to start throwing out numbers but I know he was low ball in negotiations.Pudge really wanted to comeback to S.Florida but Loria wanted to take advanatage of the situation.

 

Email WQAM if you would like the details.

pudge will retire a marlins........

 

 

or at least thats what my da keeps saying

434897[/snapback]

 

I'm not going to start throwing out numbers but I know he was low ball in negotiations.Pudge really wanted to comeback to S.Florida but Loria wanted to take advanatage of the situation.

 

Email WQAM if you would like the details.

434904[/snapback]

 

or so he claimed. which wouldn't make his claim any more factual than the marlins' claim.

pudge will retire a marlins........

 

 

or at least thats what my da keeps saying

434897[/snapback]

 

I'm not going to start throwing out numbers but I know he was low ball in negotiations.Pudge really wanted to comeback to S.Florida but Loria wanted to take advanatage of the situation.

 

Email WQAM if you would like the details.

434904[/snapback]

 

Exactly what Loria wants you to believe.

 

"Marlins put together a fair offer" :thumbdown

the funny thing is that @ times of negociations absolutely everyone here accussed pudge of not having any loyalty to the team and asking for ridiculous ammount of money.

 

everyone at the time felt it was smarter to let him go than signing him for the ammount of money he wanted. (i still feel that way, but i guess some here make conclussions way to quick and then change opinions like changing underwear).

434891[/snapback]

 

I felt that way until I heard Pudge interview with Hank Goldberg and I realize how the Marlins numbers they release were bulls***.

434893[/snapback]

 

Hank = #1 Marlins Public Enemy and Hater

the funny thing is that @ times of negociations absolutely everyone here accussed pudge of not having any loyalty to the team and asking for ridiculous ammount of money.

 

everyone at the time felt it was smarter to let him go than signing him for the ammount of money he wanted. (i still feel that way, but i guess some here make conclussions way to quick and then change opinions like changing underwear).

434891[/snapback]

 

I felt that way until I heard Pudge interview with Hank Goldberg and I realize how the Marlins numbers they release were bulls***.

434893[/snapback]

 

Hank = #1 Marlins Public Enemy and Hater

434910[/snapback]

 

Hank is a hater but sometime he actually makes sense.

the funny thing is that @ times of negociations absolutely everyone here accussed pudge of not having any loyalty to the team and asking for ridiculous ammount of money.

 

everyone at the time felt it was smarter to let him go than signing him for the ammount of money he wanted. (i still feel that way, but i guess some here make conclussions way to quick and then change opinions like changing underwear).

434891[/snapback]

 

I felt that way until I heard Pudge interview with Hank Goldberg and I realize how the Marlins numbers they release were bulls***.

434893[/snapback]

 

Hank = #1 Marlins Public Enemy and Hater

434910[/snapback]

 

Hank is a hater but sometime he actually makes sense.

434915[/snapback]

 

when?

Ok first of all, I will never believe a player in negotiations. Second of all, pudge wasn't exactly looking for money but a longterm deal. Read between the lines on Pudges contract will you? It states that if Pudge goes on the disabled list for 4-6 weeks or more with a back injury, the Tigers have the right to void his contract and release him.

 

 

 

 

I will still agree with the Marlins decision to let him go because he wanted a 4 year deal and the Marlins know his history of back injuries. Besides, hes getting to the age where catchers break down.

 

 

 

You can tell Borass was desperate when he signed a contract that had a void if Pudge is out with a back injury.

 

 

 

:banghead :banghead :banghead

during the fudge contract talks the man demanded to get 10 mil a year...... even i thought it would be wrong to pay em less money than he made teh year before......

 

people critized us for getting em in the 1st place than we win a championship..... and we look like f***in geniousez......

 

but at the time none you or me thought the reg season stats he put up that he was worthy of 10 mil a year..... it was like keep Fudge lose Louie?

 

but we should have been smarter and brought up the Mike Bibby Theory..... do ok or good in the reg season... and do beyond great in the post season..... and you get tons $$$$$$$

To me it was insulting when pudge said that he was awed by the fact that mike lowell got an 8 million 4 year contract and that "I was the nlcs MVP, and in the history of MVPs I was the only one who was being offered a paycut"

 

To me that seemed very very low class, also the way he took a shot at the front office was very offensive.

 

If it wasnt for this front office you wouldnt have gotten a ring a**hole. I dont care if you are the second comming of Babe Ruth, We are not going to spend more money on you in which we can spend on more players which will have a greater impact for years to come (Luis, Mikey, Cabs, Starting Pitchers)

 

By the way, the True and no BS final offer to pudge was 2 YEARS 8 MILLION A YEAR WITH AN OPTION FOR A THIRD YEAR DEPENDING ON HOW MANY AT BATS HE GETS.

 

I dont regret it one bit. Think about it, now we can be contenders for 3 or 5 more years because we will be able to sign our pitchers and players. Luis mightve been gone, Mike Mightve been gone, we wouldnt have enough for BOTH PAVANO AND PENNY and, And Cabrera would be lost in about 3 or 4 years.

There is plenty of blame to go around.

 

Pudge was demanding a 4 yr/$40M deal that made no sense for the Marlins. The market was $8M per year max (see Javy Lopez deal). Pudge could have made millions in endorsements if he stayed in Miami.

 

The Marlins supposedly offered Pudge 3 yrs/$21M heavily deferred. Should the Marlins been more creative to have performance/health clauses? Sure they should have.

 

It seems to me the biggest roadblock in the negotiations was Scott Boras. If Pudge has another agent more willing to get creative in the negotations, then Pudge would likely still be a Marlin.

 

But it is all water under the bridge now. No way the Marlins can affort to take on his contract, and no way Pudge will be a Marlin again. As Pudge gets older, his only option besides being a catcher will be to DH.

Mr.Loria going on the cheap when it came Pudge neotiaions was the worst move by any teams this year.THe Florida Marlins needed Pudge more than Pudge needed them.

 

 

Pudge is a winner and one hell of a player who elevates players around him.It amazing the turn around the Tigers have done.Just making the playoffs for the Tigers will be the equivalent of winning World Series.

434878[/snapback]

 

I agree with you minus. Pudge was our best run producer along with Lowell. He brought energy into the team, he made it difficult to steal off and he had good power to the gaps in the spacious Pro Player. He came through everytime we needed him. Loria should have negotiated more with him, Loria really didnt try all that much. Now we lack that good run producer (lowell only).

what your seeing this year is what happens when your cheap...do u seriously think loria didnt have the money to sign pudge...yea right...everything that is wrong with this years team starts with missing pudge...no #3 hitter...missing rbi's...missing leadership....heart...having fun...and most important winning...he should have opened up that wallet and paid pudge what he wanted...for not paying pudge this team is weak and slowing down every week...thank god for the all-star break cause this team needs to get it toghther...

I can't say this enough, I guess:

 

the question was never "do we want to pay Pudge $10 million dollars this year?" the question was always "will we want to be paying Pudge $10 million dollars in 4 years?" everyone knew, even the FO, that this year and possibly next year, we would likely look stupid for having let him go. but mark my words - sometime in the next 4 years, the Tigers will be overpaying Pudge, because his skills will decline, or he will get hurt. it's just a fact of life for catchers his age. and the one thing that would absolutely RUIN the Marlins' franchise would be to have that kind of money tied up in a player who is not producing. if we spend money, it's gotta be smart....and paying Pudge $10 million in 2007 will just not be smart money. as much as it sucks right now, they did the right thing.