Admin Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 SEP 01 @ARI SEP 04 @SLN SEP 05 @SLN SEP 14 SDN SEP 21 @SDN In those 5 games, he has 11 combined AB's. How can the Dodger fans bitch about him when he isn't even given a chance? He has 50 something AB's TOTAL with L.A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Because he lacks heart and soul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 SEP 01 @ARI SEP 04 @SLN SEP 05 @SLN SEP 14 SDN SEP 21 @SDN In those 5 games, he has 11 combined AB's. How can the Dodger fans bitch about him when he isn't even given a chance? He has 50 something AB's TOTAL with L.A. 569593[/snapback] sad when your managers puts in Robin Ventura over you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer_fran Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 When the trade was made I said it was a smart move by DePodesta, and I still think it was but it was stupid to make a trade for someone if your manager wasn't going to play him. This should've been discussed with Tracy beforehand. Choi was never given a chance in LA, and it's dissapointing because he was doing a fine job here despite what most people on this board think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 When the trade was made I said it was a smart move by DePodesta, and I still think it was but it was stupid to make a trade for someone if your manager wasn't going to play him. This should've been discussed with Tracy beforehand. Choi was never given a chance in LA, and it's dissapointing because he was doing a fine job here despite what most people on this board think. 569667[/snapback] Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geemoney Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I wonder if we could get Choi (cheap?) back this off-season..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I wonder if we could get Choi (cheap?) back this off-season..... 569672[/snapback] Not with the SABR friendly regime in LA. They jsut need a SABR friendly manager now. They are at odds with each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Man Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 SABR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beinfest4Prez Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 SABR? 569915[/snapback] Sabermetrics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 SABR? 569915[/snapback] Sabremetrics I still believe Choi could eventually work his way back to the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickGold Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Aside from April, Choi has been a flop. Look at what Ruben Sierra, Damion Easley and Lenny Harris have done with their limited AB's this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Aside from April, Choi has been a flop. Look at what Ruben Sierra, Damion Easley and Lenny Harris have done with their limited AB's this year. 572030[/snapback] agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Aside from April, Choi has been a flop. Look at what Ruben Sierra, Damion Easley and Lenny Harris have done with their limited AB's this year. 572030[/snapback] For the month of June he had an OPS of .868 (above-average for his position). And he followed that month up with a solid .800+ OPS July. Barring a huge collapse Choi will end up with 40 more points of OPS than Paul LoDuca, and over a 100 points over Encarnacion. From a player in his second year in the majors I'd say that was a pretty good year. What about you? If we had Choi batting in the lineup ahead of Lowell and Cabrera, we'd have an offense capable enough to keep us in the wild card and NL East race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickGold Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 For the month of June he had an OPS of .868 (above-average for his position). And he followed that month up with a solid .800+ OPS July. Barring a huge collapse Choi will end up with 40 more points of OPS than Paul LoDuca, and over a 100 points over Encarnacion. From a player in his second year in the majors I'd say that was a pretty good year. What about you? If we had Choi batting in the lineup ahead of Lowell and Cabrera, we'd have an offense capable enough to keep us in the wild card and NL East race. 572470[/snapback] His OPS, much like all his stats, have been dropping steadily since July. BA: July 3: .278 September 27: .251 OPS: July 3: .929 September 27: .820 SLG % July 3: .528 September 27: .450 OBP July 3: .402 September 27: .370 All his stats have been in a free fall since July and basically, he's just been resting on the laurels of a good first few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Thus the point of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickGold Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Thus the point of the thread. 574334[/snapback] The point of the thread was, I believe, that Choi hadn;t been getting alot of work in September and my contention was he shouldn't get any because he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Cape's Wish List 1) Get a new hitting coach 2) Get Choi back 3) Fix Choi's swing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Thus the point of the thread. 574334[/snapback] The point of the thread was, I believe, that Choi hadn;t been getting alot of work in September and my contention was he shouldn't get any because he sucks. 574484[/snapback] No, the point of the thread is that you can't say he sucks if you're not giving him playing time to prove himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickGold Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 No, the point of the thread is that you can't say he sucks if you're not giving him playing time to prove himself. 574737[/snapback] He had as close to an everyday role as you can get in July & August and his numbers were nothing close to his numbers in April. He's been in a tailspin since July and I dont blame Tracy for not playing him. Frankly, I think the numbers I posted in an earlier post in this thread speak for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Since moving out to LA he has played about 3 days a week and has done nothing. I'll give you that. However he was a hyped prospect for the CUbs who performed well before getting injured and finding himself behind Dusty Baker's veterans. He was performing well here and Bill Robinson was working with him to become more of a contact hitter. Choi's present career path follows a long line of all-star sluggers. Troy Glaus, Nick Johnson and Richard Sexson. I'd hardly say he's been a flop and can never reach the level of Derrek Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickGold Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I hope he can turn it around and become the hitter we saw in April(and maybe even better) but as of now, he sucks and the Derek Lee trade was purely a financial trade, not a talent trade. If he can get his act together, then more power to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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