March 2, 200521 yr No One Elected to Baseball Hall of Fame By RONALD BLUM AP Sports Writer Posted March 2 2005, 2:07 PM EST TAMPA, Fla. -- Gil Hodges, Ron Santo and everyone else on the ballot fell short Wednesday as once again the baseball Veterans Committee failed to elect anyone to the Hall of Fame. Hodges and Santo came the closest with 65 percent -- 75 percent was needed for induction. Tony Oliva and Jim Kaat were the only other players to be named on more than half of the 80 ballots. In 2003, the redesigned Vets committee also pitched a shutout. There will not be another election until 2007, the same year managers, umpires and executives also will be considered. The current 83-member committee includes 60 Hall of Famers. All but three turned in paper ballots this year. Hodges and Santo both drew 52 votes, eight shy of what they needed. It was a slight improvement for Hodges, the former Brooklyn first baseman and New York Mets manager who fell 11 votes short in 2003. Joe Torre, Maury Wills, Luis Tiant and Roger Maris were among the other players who got less than 50 percent this year. Thurman Munson and old-time pitcher Smoky Joe Wood each received only two votes. :banghead
March 2, 200521 yr Author Its the elite...not the good...the best of the best. 700063[/snapback] C'mon...gimme a break...I understand that but not one guy??? Hodges, Santo, Kaat, Oliva, Wills...at least one of them could have been elected. The Veterans Committee is a joke... :thumbdown
March 2, 200521 yr none of those doods speak 'elite' when you speak their name Jim Kaat is probably closest....but I still wouldnt consider him as 'elite'
March 2, 200521 yr none of those doods speak 'elite' when you speak their name Jim Kaat is probably closest....but I still wouldnt consider him as 'elite' 700140[/snapback] Exactly...until Joe Torre is player/manager...he wont get in.
March 2, 200521 yr Gotta agree .. definitely a joke .. nobody into the HOF, should have -atleast- one guy ..
March 2, 200521 yr none of those doods speak 'elite' when you speak their name Jim Kaat is probably closest....but I still wouldnt consider him as 'elite' 700140[/snapback] Exactly...until Joe Torre is player/manager...he wont get in. 700142[/snapback] Torre is a lock as manager. As a player he was never great.
March 2, 200521 yr none of those doods speak 'elite' when you speak their name Jim Kaat is probably closest....but I still wouldnt consider him as 'elite' 700140[/snapback] Exactly...until Joe Torre is player/manager...he wont get in. 700142[/snapback] Torre is a lock as manager. As a player he was never great. 700146[/snapback] Thats what Im saying...he needs that tag to get in. He was the 71 MVP and a 9 time all-star...2,300+ hits...250+ HRS... .297 BA Thats pretty good....especially for a catcher...he wasnt a slouch as a player.
March 2, 200521 yr none of those doods speak 'elite' when you speak their name Jim Kaat is probably closest....but I still wouldnt consider him as 'elite' 700140[/snapback] Exactly...until Joe Torre is player/manager...he wont get in. 700142[/snapback] Torre is a lock as manager. As a player he was never great. 700146[/snapback] Thats what Im saying...he needs that tag to get in. He was the 71 MVP and a 9 time all-star...2,300+ hits...250+ HRS... .297 BA Thats pretty good....especially for a catcher...he wasnt a slouch as a player. 700150[/snapback] ok so maybe saying he wasnt great was a stretch. he is borderline. I'd rather the hall have high standards then lower them. torre will be in once he retires from the bench.
March 2, 200521 yr Santo should be in 700166[/snapback] He gets a lot of sympathy votes (understandably so) and is still 10 percent short in a down year for the vet's commitee candidates. That says a lot about his lack of credentials.
March 2, 200521 yr I dont see those guys as HOF material. They were good players, but none dominated in their time.
March 2, 200521 yr Author none of those doods speak 'elite' when you speak their name Jim Kaat is probably closest....but I still wouldnt consider him as 'elite' 700140[/snapback] Sure...whatever you say... I hope you remember this when Craig Biggio is up for nomination. :thumbdown
March 2, 200521 yr People make the mistake of comparing peoples stats from a different era to stats nowadays. Santo is a 10 time all star and a 5 time gold glove winner. He, along with Brooks Robinson, were the best 3B of the 60's. He should be in. But gee.. a white sox talking down a Cub.. imagine that.
March 2, 200521 yr People make the mistake of comparing peoples stats from a different era to stats nowadays. Santo is a 10 time all star and a 5 time gold glove winner. He, along with Brooks Robinson, were the best 3B of the 60's. He should be in. But gee.. a white sox talking down a Cub.. imagine that. 700193[/snapback] Oh please.....don't resort to that. I"ll be the first to admit that Sandberg should have been a no doubt first ballot HOF player, it's not about that. And Ron Santo doesn't even belong in the same book as Brooks Robinson, so don't make that comparison either.
March 2, 200521 yr And Ron Santo doesn't even belong in the same book as Brooks Robinson, so don't make that comparison either. 700201[/snapback] LOL.. Why? Because Santo (342) had more career HRs than Robinson (268) in 8 less seasons? Or because Santo (.272) had a better career average than Robinson (.266). Or because Robinson had a whopping 26 more career RBIs than Santo (1357 to 1331) in 8 more seasons played. Or is it the career OBP? (Santo .362, Brooks .322) Granted, Brooks Robinson is the best fielding 3B ever but Santo is a 5 time gold glover as well. They were the best 3B of the 60's and the fact that Brooks Robinson is in the Hall of Fame and Ron Santo isn't, is a joke.
March 2, 200521 yr Author And Ron Santo doesn't even belong in the same book as Brooks Robinson, so don't make that comparison either. 700201[/snapback] LOL.. Why? Because Santo (342) had more career HRs than Robinson (268) in 8 less seasons? Or because Santo (.272) had a better career average than Robinson (.266). Or because Robinson had a whopping 26 more career RBIs than Santo (1357 to 1331) in 8 more seasons played. Or is it the career OBP? (Santo .362, Brooks .322) Granted, Brooks Robinson is the best fielding 3B ever but Santo is a 5 time gold glover as well. They were the best 3B of the 60's and the fact that Brooks Robinson is in the Hall of Fame and Ron Santo isn't, is a joke. 700212[/snapback] Craig = PPPPPPPwned!!!!!!!!!!! :whistle
March 2, 200521 yr Ok, I lost the arguement. :lol Ahh well it happens. (I didn't realize the numbers looked like that either).
March 2, 200521 yr none of those doods speak 'elite' when you speak their name Jim Kaat is probably closest....but I still wouldnt consider him as 'elite' 700140[/snapback] Sure...whatever you say... I hope you remember this when Craig Biggio is up for nomination. :thumbdown 700183[/snapback] Biggio is getting 3000 hits. Will be top 10 all time in doubles. Has most leadoff homers from a leadoff hitter in national league. Was an all star at two different positions. The 3000 hits will cement his spot. Next.
March 2, 200521 yr Ok, I lost the arguement. :lol Ahh well it happens. (I didn't realize the numbers looked like that either). 700229[/snapback] Historic...first admission that he has been wrong. This is a first ballot hall of fame thread.
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