Posted June 5, 200519 yr 1973 KC 88-74 .543 1974 KC 77-85 .475 1975 KC 50-46 .521 1977 Oak 26-27 .491 1978 Oak 45-78 .366 1988 SD 67-48 .583 1989 SD 89-73 .549 1990 SD 37-43 .462 1997 Cin 33-30 .524 1998 Cin 77-85 .475 1999 Cin 96-67 .589 2000 Cin 85-77 .525 2003 Fla 75-49 .605 2004 Fla 83-79 .512 2005 Fla 28-26 .519 The numbers don't lie, folks. Jack is usually gone by the third year because long-term his teams underperform.
June 5, 200519 yr He hasn't coached a losing team since 98' and has 9 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the past. Not so bad.
June 5, 200519 yr 1973 KC 88-74 .543 1974 KC 77-85 .475 1975 KC 50-46 .521 1977 Oak 26-27 .491 1978 Oak 45-78 .366 1988 SD 67-48 .583 1989 SD 89-73 .549 1990 SD 37-43 .462 1997 Cin 33-30 .524 1998 Cin 77-85 .475 1999 Cin 96-67 .589 2000 Cin 85-77 .525 2003 Fla 75-49 .605 2004 Fla 83-79 .512 2005 Fla 28-26 .519 The numbers don't lie, folks. Jack is usually gone by the third year because long-term his teams underperform. 797262[/snapback] No matter what happens this year, I believe Jack will finish this year.
June 5, 200519 yr Author who do you suggest replace him 797279[/snapback] Bill Robinson :plain 797280[/snapback] :lol I'm laughing now, but with our luck they would. Ozzie Guillen would have been nice, but he's entrenched in Chicago.
June 5, 200519 yr Author He hasn't coached a losing team since 98' and has 9 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the past. Not so bad. 797266[/snapback] 3 of the last 4 seasons he managed (counting this year), his team was seen as underachieving. He was fired from Cincy after having a better winning percentage than last year or this year. He was even manager of the year in 1999, but that didn't stop the Reds from feeling he wasn't getting it done in 2000.
June 5, 200519 yr He hasn't coached a losing team since 98' and has 9 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the past. Not so bad. 797266[/snapback] 3 of the last 4 seasons he managed (counting this year), his team was seen as underachieving. He was fired from Cincy after having a better winning percentage than last year or this year. He was even manager of the year in 1999, but that didn't stop the Reds from feeling he wasn't getting it done in 2000. 797285[/snapback] Even in 2003? :whistle
June 5, 200519 yr He was even manager of the year in 1999, but that didn't stop the Reds from feeling he wasn't getting it done in 2000. 797285[/snapback] I vaguely recall part of the reason for Jack's dismissal from Cincy involving Jr. I could be wrong but I remember something about that.
June 5, 200519 yr Author He hasn't coached a losing team since 98' and has 9 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the past. Not so bad. 797266[/snapback] 3 of the last 4 seasons he managed (counting this year), his team was seen as underachieving. He was fired from Cincy after having a better winning percentage than last year or this year. He was even manager of the year in 1999, but that didn't stop the Reds from feeling he wasn't getting it done in 2000. 797285[/snapback] Even in 2003? :whistle 797289[/snapback] 2000, 2004, and 2005. 2003 they were considered overachievers by everyone but us. :thumbup
June 5, 200519 yr He hasn't coached a losing team since 98' and has 9 winning seasons in 14 seasons in the past. Not so bad. 797266[/snapback] 3 of the last 4 seasons he managed (counting this year), his team was seen as underachieving. He was fired from Cincy after having a better winning percentage than last year or this year. He was even manager of the year in 1999, but that didn't stop the Reds from feeling he wasn't getting it done in 2000. 797285[/snapback] Even in 2003? :whistle 797289[/snapback] 2000, 2004, and 2005. 2003 they were considered overachievers by everyone but us. :thumbup 797296[/snapback] The Marlins don't get respect and people don't think much out of them. It's a known fact. So going over .500 is not underachieving for the "Florida what"? Marlins.
June 5, 200519 yr I think he is deserving and will finish out the year, but he has to know his seat is hot. Not getting it done on the field and feuding with a team's vested stars. He was hired to be the tough guy following Jeff Torborg. Too tough or the players too thin-skinned, and the opposite move may have to occur.
June 5, 200519 yr who do you suggest replace him 797279[/snapback] Mike Mordecai :notworthy But I totally disagree that Jac should be fired.
June 5, 200519 yr Is this true what im reading? Jack should be fired? Jack has been the BEST manager in Marlins history....
June 5, 200519 yr Jack deserves the shot to finish the season. I don't see how any of this is his fault anyway. But if the team doesn't turn around, I wouldn't be surprised if he retired at season's end.
June 5, 200519 yr who do you suggest replace him 797279[/snapback] Mike Mordecai :notworthy But I totally disagree that Jac should be fired. 797414[/snapback] lol i second that :thumbup
June 5, 200519 yr Is this true what im reading? Jack should be fired? Jack has been the BEST manager in Marlins history.... 797415[/snapback] sure, but in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king. being the best marlins manager ever says nothing
June 6, 200519 yr On the "hot" seat. Do you really think it matters to McKeon. When goings get tough, the tough get going. Like in 03, we went throught this type of slump in August and rebounded quite well. The vets showed the way. We will see how the team responds and who doesn't. The team leaders (Harris and LoDuca) will lead the charge. Dont be surprised if changes are made that may shock the team and it will not be in the coaching staff.
June 6, 200519 yr Big changes to come next year, I can feel it. Why we did not get Ozzie Guillen, I dont know, he was a big part of our 2003 season.
June 6, 200519 yr Big changes to come next year, I can feel it. Why we did not get Ozzie Guillen, I dont know, he was a big part of our 2003 season. 797489[/snapback] Ozzie wanted to manage and we didn't have an open position at Manager after 2003.
June 6, 200519 yr You guys would find Ozzie to be remarkably similar to Jack if you got him, so trust me, that's not what your looking for if you want a fresh start at the manager spot.
June 6, 200519 yr I can't even believe there is a conversation about this subject. :plain 797501[/snapback] Poor bullpen management could get fans to want anybody fired....
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