knglover Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Well I am back from my vacation in the Keys (we refused to evacuate for Dennis but I lived in S. Fla. during Andrew so I am not a typical tourist in that respect) and I am just wondering if anyone has heard anyhting from the front office. I find it very strange that last week we were flooded with rumors of trades and signings and the best that is out there now is about redman and personally I don't view that as ground-breaking news. Anyone heard anything at all. B.T.W. Anyone who has a chance should go over and check out the espn forums and read the thread about burnett going to the Blue Jays..........It's F-in Hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accord Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 It's the calm before the storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boog Sciambi Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 i think tomorrow will be very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsFan253 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 i think tomorrow will be very interesting. 852523[/snapback] Don't scare me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJBurnett34 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 so far there has been rumors of Mark Redman coming over and Mike Stanton also, other than that its been quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Other thing to keep in mind is that MLB discourages announcements during the All-Star weekend, so I'd assume if anything happens, it'll "go down" tomorrow although the decision might already have been made. Just something to think about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsFan253 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Other thing to keep in mind is that MLB discourages announcements during the All-Star weekend, so I'd assume if anything happens, it'll "go down" tomorrow although the decision might already have been made. Just something to think about... 852593[/snapback] I'm going to lose sleep tonight. LOL. I'll be up all night thinking of the possibilities or what might or might not be announced tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accord Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 AJ is already getting fitted for his pinstripes. :plain :plain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsFan253 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 AJ is already getting fitted for his pinstripes. :plain :plain 852605[/snapback] Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knglover Posted July 12, 2005 Author Share Posted July 12, 2005 I have one question and one question only? Where are all these supposed "insiders" at. One thing that made me choose to become a member here was that I heard about Delgado signing here first. It kinda strikes me as odd that everyone who claims to be some sort of "insider" has been so quiet. This can lead one to only three conclusions all with different probable outcomes: 1. There are absolutly no moves even being discussed. We all know that is highly unlikely. 2. The Front office is being extremly hush-hush. highly probable. 3. Alot of these insiders were very lucky in the delgado news and they are full of it and don't know whats actually going on anymore than you and I. extremely likely. Not an attack, just and observation. P.S. In my opinion, Redman wont be coming here unless a deal for burnett is in place. I know that was said earlier but I feel the same way. I also feel that lowell or pierre may be gone as well. I don't have any proof or sources, just a hunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLRyan23 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 maybe they'll trade AJ/Lowell to the Yanks for Kevin Brown and Sheffield... horrible trade, yes... atleast Miguel can shift to 3B... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Other thing to keep in mind is that MLB discourages announcements during the All-Star weekend, so I'd assume if anything happens, it'll "go down" tomorrow although the decision might already have been made. Just something to think about... 852593[/snapback] *will be waiting on pins and needles* :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Other thing to keep in mind is that MLB discourages announcements during the All-Star weekend, so I'd assume if anything happens, it'll "go down" tomorrow although the decision might already have been made.? Just something to think about... 852593[/snapback] *will be waiting on pins and needles* :o 853279[/snapback] Guys, I'm not an "insider," nor do I pretend to be, I'm just simply speculating based on history...tomorrow could very well come and go with out anything being done. We've had (by my count) 3 chances to make coaching changes this season, and they've passed without any action, so don't hold your breath...I'm not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 The move I'd like to see most is a new hitting coach. But as Swifty said, there's been several chances for that to happen already and it hasn't. So I'm not expecting much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 just letting u know, AJ already wears pinstripes... :shifty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 There hasnt been many rumors lately at all for the fish. There is a few basic ones that still hold together out there. The traditional ones we have all been hearing AJ + Enc/Lowell to O's Bigbie, Cabrera, Julio(sucking it since may) to Fish AJ + Enc/lowell to Yanks Sheff +brown +cash AJ + Enc to Bosox Arroyo +Hanely+ relief pitcher Stanton FA to Fish Lowell/Enc to Nats (not sure what for) Lowell to White Sox Enc to Cubs Baez to Fish Huff to Fish That should be about it. We mostly need a bat and good relief pitcher. The following is what is major and out there Dunn (Cin) Griffey (Cin) Pena (Cin) Wilson (Col) Those are the four major names heard alot for rumors. Pitchers commonly heard. AJ Schimdt Redman Lilly Baez Guardo Day Oliver Perez (pit) Wagner (doubt he will be moved) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 hoped that helped some. Not an "insider" but just the list of names and rumors heard/read about. You take it from there and figure what will happen. I think beinfest will do something totally different making us all go Huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 another one for you all from the sun sentinel. There is an article within the Miami Herold too but I dont get that so no passing the registration for me If someone can post from there, would enjoy it please. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-bur...ports-headlines DETROIT ? By no means are the Marlins resigned to dealing A.J. Burnett before month's end, but that hasn't stopped suitors from lining up for the prospective free agent. The Padres, White Sox and Blue Jays are the latest trio of contending clubs to express serious interest in the hard-throwing right-hander. Marlins scout Gene Watson was in Chicago over the weekend for the A's-White Sox series, and the Padres scouted Burnett's 14-strikeout outing last week in South Florida. Of the three, it's the Blue Jays, reeling from the recent loss of ace Roy Halladay to a leg injury, who could wind up providing the best match. The Marlins are known to covet Toronto's rookie left-hander Gustavo Chacin, and a major league source said Tuesday the Blue Jays would be willing to part with him in a deal for Burnett. The key would be getting Burnett signed to a contract extension during a 72-hour negotiating window. "If [Toronto] could sign Burnett, the deal would get done now," the source said. While the Orioles have been portrayed as having the best chance to sign Burnett during the season, due mainly to his wife's Maryland roots, the Blue Jays should not be discounted. Jays pitching coach Brad Arnsberg is one of Burnett's closest friends, dating to their partnership with the Marlins in 2002-03. What's more, Blue Jays ownership has authorized General Manager J.P. Ricciardi to increase the club's payroll from $50 million to an average of $80 million the next two seasons. Ricciardi recently called Marlins GM Admin Beinfest and told him to check back with him before dealing Burnett. Those in Burnett's camp are intrigued and watching closely to see if a deal can be struck. The Jays, searching for another right-handed hitter, would have some interest in third baseman Mike Lowell should the Marlins insist on linking him to Burnett. Toronto also might be willing to take outfielder Juan Encarnacion in exchange for Frank Catalanotto, a left-handed hitter who could platoon with Jeff Conine. The Marlins have liked Catalanotto for years and tried to acquire him in August 2003 after Lowell suffered a broken hand. Several clubs have expressed trade interest in Catalanotto, who was batting .286 with four home runs in a part-time role. But it's Chacin, 24, who would be the key to any deal with the Jays. The stockily built Venezuelan is 7-5 with a 3.57 ERA that ranks 10th in the American League. He is making the major league minimum and wouldn't be eligible for salary arbitration for several more seasons. Lefty Ted Lilly and young right-hander David Bush are other starters the Jays would discuss, but the Marlins don't like either as much as Chacin. Before the Marlins trade Burnett, they must be certain they can find a suitable replacement in the rotation. That's why they have spent time discussing not only deals involving Burnett but side deals that could net his ultimate replacement. According to major league sources, the Marlins have expressed interest in right-handers Javier Vazquez (Diamondbacks), Bronson Arroyo (Red Sox), Aaron Harang (Reds), Josh Fogg (Pirates), Gil Meche (Mariners) and Jason Jennings (Rockies). Lefties Mike Maroth (Tigers) and ex-Marlin Mark Redman (Pirates) are other possibilities, although Redman can opt for free agency at season's end. Vazquez, a Marlins target last winter, would prefer to pitch closer to his Puerto Rico home and can demand a trade at season's end. He is signed through 2007 and due about $8 million a season after the Yankees' contribution is factored in. Meanwhile, former Yankees reliever Mike Stanton, released Monday, is expected to sign with a new team by Thursday. The Marlins continue to monitor the situation, but Houston, one of Stanton's top choices, has no interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I guess I'm in the minority on this but first and foremost, if this team is to win anything in the second half they need to score more runs and more consistently. So, while most everyone talks about pitching, with Beckett, Willis, Olsen (??) and Moehler, we have the four arms we need in October and the answer is go out and get a productive outfield bat, and not a Admin Bigbie. AJ, Enc and Reed for Sheffield and, Wang or Sturtze, or cash. To me that's the optimum trade, and if it took three players to bring Sheffield (+cash) here, my guess is the front office would seriously consider the move. The problem with trading Encarnacion is that offensively he has come up huge for s in the first half, so any trade involving him has to ultimately bring more offense to the table than we are giving up, or net net, we score less runs not more. There's no young Jeff Bagwell out there being dangled as the Red Sox foolishly did for an egocentric Admin Anderson years ago, unless you think Dunn is the guy, but let's face it situational hitting is not his forte. I forget the stat exactly but it seems to me he drove in his first run via sacrifice fly in three years a week or so ago. The Big Hurt can still crush it but not for average and would be a defensive liability anywhere on the field. When I hear names like Bigbie, lefty or not, I cringe. Good player, team player, adds nothing if you subtract Enc's numbers from the equation. Kevin Brown? OMG no. Everday Eddie, in a heartbeat. Vasquez has always been a possibility but we can't keep trying to win games 2-1. Catalanotto is going to give you less offense than Enc, so what good is that? In the end it all comes down to Sheffield, or someone like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Well said, 2003, but like I posted previously, the Yankee trade (which is at this point very unlikely) would have to involve us taking back their headaches (Brown, Gordon) while letting them get younger (AJ, Mota, Enc, Stokes). They'd also have to send a ton of cash our way to complete the deal, and really, I don't think it's something they're willing to do. To me, this team only has four untouchables (Cabrera, Delgado, Beckett, Willis) on the roster and Hermida is untouchable as far as prospects go; other than that, you have to give up value to get value in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I think we have 1 more untouchable and that is Olsen. This kid is ready to be a star in the future. And I dont think the brass will trade him off with how he is doing so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PositiveHype Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 There hasnt been many rumors lately at all for the fish. There is a few basic ones that still hold together out there. The traditional ones we have all been hearing AJ + Enc/Lowell to O's Bigbie, Cabrera, Julio(sucking it since may) to Fish AJ + Enc/lowell to Yanks Sheff +brown +cash AJ + Enc to Bosox Arroyo +Hanely+ relief pitcher Stanton FA to Fish Lowell/Enc to Nats (not sure what for) Lowell to White Sox Enc to Cubs Baez to Fish Huff to Fish That should be about it. We mostly need a bat and good relief pitcher. The following is what is major and out there Dunn (Cin) Griffey (Cin) Pena (Cin) Wilson (Col) Those are the four major names heard alot for rumors. Pitchers commonly heard. AJ Schimdt Redman Lilly Baez Guardo Day Oliver Perez (pit) Wagner (doubt he will be moved) 853661[/snapback] First, I'll follow in line in saying yes that the Marlins have had numerous chances to make a managerial/coaching move, but haven't. Right now is probably about as likely a time as any with 1) the break before the second half; 2) they have now played 29 games in which they have scored less than 3 runs; 3) they have shown no life after 86 games; 4) they just got swept at home to end the first half. As for the quoted post above: Nice names above, but I haven't heard about Oliver Perez being shopped around. Hell, I'll say this now; If Oliver Perez is available, the Marlins should jump on him in a heartbeat. He can be as good as any pitcher in the game and would continue his improvement working with Mark Wiley and Paul LoDuca. Also, if Wily Mo Pena is available, why haven't the Marlins jumped on him? He would be a good pickup to have in LF to move Cabrera to 3B. However, it seems that a deal for the likes of a young player like him or Oliver Perez would require a third team with some prospects that is interested in our veterans like Burnett, Encarnacion, and/or Lowell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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