July 30, 200521 yr Feel free to delete this thread if this has been posted already....i looked and couldn't find it. http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/ken-ro.../20050729a.html Mets not the only suitors for Ramirez Posted: July 29, 2005 Yes, there's a chance that the Red Sox will trade outfielder Manny Ramirez before Sunday's 4 p.m. ET non-waiver trade deadline, and the Mets are not the only possibility. The Red Sox also are talking to the Marlins, Rangers and Blue Jays about Ramirez, industry sources say, though a three-way trade involving the Mets and Devil Rays remains the most tantalizing possibility. That deal, which would send Ramirez to the Mets along with Devil Rays closer Danys Baez, is nowhere close to complete, sources tell The Sporting News. "It's going to take a little time," an executive from one of the teams says. "But it's pretty legitimate." An official from a second team adds, "It's got a ways to go. We have two days left. There's still a lot of talking to do." A blockbuster of this magnitude faces numerous obstacles, not the least of which is Ramirez's contract, which will pay him $57 million from 2006 to '08. Thus, the Red Sox are exploring other possibilities. The Marlins, a team that relishes blockbuster trades, previously have discussed sending right-hander A.J. Burnett to the Sox in a deal that also might include third baseman Mike Lowell. They could revive that combination in a package for Ramirez. The Rangers nearly acquired Ramirez for Alex Rodriguez after the 2003 season. Their general manager, John Hart, is Ramirez's former G.M. with the Indians, and Ramirez would thrive in the hitter-friendly Ballpark in Arlington. A deal with the Blue Jays would appear far-fetched -- it is doubtful the Red Sox would trade Ramirez within their own division -- but Jays ownership has pledged to increase payroll by $210 million over the 2005, '06 and '07 seasons. Meanwhile, the rough outline of a three-way deal between the Sox, Mets and Devil Rays already appears to be in place: The Mets would receive Ramirez and Baez. The Red Sox would receive Mets outfielder Mike Cameron and Devil Rays outfielder Aubrey Huff. The Devil Rays would receive an elite package of prospects from both clubs. Among the possibilities: Mets outfielder Lastings Milledge and righthander Yusmeiro Petit and Red Sox catcher Kelly Shoppach and lefthander Jon Lester or righthander Anibal Sanchez. If such a deal was completed, the Mets would become a legitimate threat to win the N.L. East, and the Devil Rays' rebuilding program would accelerate rapidly. However, the Red Sox's chances of repeating as world champions would decrease, in part because they would not receive enough of an immediate return for Ramirez, one of the game's premier hitters. The deal also would not address the Red Sox's need for pitching, while costing them two top prospects from a farm system that is finally starting to gain strength. Finally, major league executives are skeptical that Devil Rays general manager Chuck LaMar would agree to a trade with so many moving parts in such a limited trade frame. LaMar is widely considered to be the most difficult G.M. to negotiate with, setting unrealistic values on his players. "Unless Tampa Bay gets Milledge and (top Red Sox prospect) Hanley Ramirez and Kelly Shoppach and two other pitchers, I doubt it could happen," says one G.M. who has recent discussions with LaMar. A year ago at this time, Red Sox G.M. Theo Epstein completed a stunning four-team trade that sent shortstop Nomar Garciaparra to the Cubs and brought first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz and shortstop Orlando Cabrera to the Red Sox. That deal helped the Sox win their first World Series since 1918. And to think, a Ramirez trade might be considered an even bigger coup.
July 30, 200521 yr I think it would be something like. AJ Lowell Johnson Enc Willy Manny (cash) Arroyo Something along those lines. Personally, I dont want him. He has a place down here for those that dont know. But, do we need manny and ruin our chemistry? He would die be amusing to see and he is a future Hall of Famer so he could drawl. But, I doubt we would win. As for the Tampa, mets, bosox deal. The Red sox are getting hosed and that deal is hung up on two things. 1. The Mets want the Red Sox to pay for more then half of manny's salary 2. TB wants Hanely and Sanchez, not Schoppah (sp??)
July 30, 200521 yr I think it would be something like. AJ Lowell Johnson Enc Willy Manny (cash) Arroyo Something along those lines. Personally, I dont want him. He has a place down here for those that dont know. But, do we need manny and ruin our chemistry? He would die be amusing to see and he is a future Hall of Famer so he could drawl. But, I doubt we would win. As for the Tampa, mets, bosox deal. The Red sox are getting hosed and that deal is hung up on two things. 1. The Mets want the Red Sox to pay for more then half of manny's salary 2. TB wants Hanely and Sanchez, not Schoppah (sp??) 880328[/snapback]
July 30, 200521 yr i think manny would get a lot more fans to come don't you think we are starting to get more fans too
July 30, 200521 yr I think it would be something like. AJ Lowell Johnson Enc Willy Manny (cash) Arroyo Something along those lines. Personally, I dont want him. He has a place down here for those that dont know. But, do we need manny and ruin our chemistry? He would die be amusing to see and he is a future Hall of Famer so he could drawl. But, I doubt we would win. As for the Tampa, mets, bosox deal. The Red sox are getting hosed and that deal is hung up on two things. 1. The Mets want the Red Sox to pay for more then half of manny's salary 2. TB wants Hanely and Sanchez, not Schoppah (sp??) 880328[/snapback] If TB is holding out for Hanley AND Sanchez then they have to be the biggest dumb*** organization out there. There already getting Milledge, Petit, Sanchez and then they want Hanley also???? I say Theo should back away from this crap deal altogether unless you can deal Manny without including prospects, otherwise this trade sucks for hte Red Sox.
July 30, 200521 yr also i think it would make more sense for the marlins to get manny through a three way sort of what they have going right now with the tb-bos-NYM deal we can offer better things. Also for some strange reason i think miguel and enc would get a long best with manny lol
July 30, 200521 yr how about Redsox get: Aj Lowell Enc Olsen Marlins get: Manny 880348[/snapback] I think we become a worse team making that deal personally. As Jack said on Marlins On Deck yesterday 1 player won't do it himself and Manny is no exception. I'd much rather stay status quo than trade a ton of talent for one guy.
July 30, 200521 yr how about marlins get: Ramirez Contreras Cash (about 3mil a year) Everett Boston gets AJ Contreras Hermansen Marte Encarnacion(which I would hate to give up) White Sox get: Lowell Millar Arroyo Mueller Shoppach and/or Sanchez That would be a"blockbuster deal", that would help everyone, but it is also a "wet dream"
July 30, 200521 yr and Hermida :respect 880325[/snapback] dream. Manny is Manny but he is overpaid and a head case.
July 30, 200521 yr how about Redsox get: Aj Lowell Enc Olsen Marlins get: Manny 880348[/snapback] I think we become a worse team making that deal personally. As Jack said on Marlins On Deck yesterday 1 player won't do it himself and Manny is no exception. I'd much rather stay status quo than trade a ton of talent for one guy. 880350[/snapback] How is this worse... cf-Jp 2b-Castillo 3b-Cabrera or lf-Ramirez 1b-Delgado 3b-Cabrera or lf-Ramirez C-Loduca Rf-Conine-Hermida ss-Gonzo Rotation Beckett Willis Moe Valdez Vargas Our pitching wont be the same but i guarantee our offense will score alot more.
July 30, 200521 yr Author if we use the Mets offer as a guide, we would probably have to give up AJ and Hermida as a baseline (Milledge is the top Mets prospect right now). In order to make the money make sense, we probably would also have to send Lowell over - but Lowell doesn't really sweeten the deal, he probably makes it tougher to do. After that, I'm not sure. We would probably also need to get at least $15 million from the Sox in order to make the money sensible for us (putting Manny at roughly $15 million per year over the next three years). To get that kind of cash, we would need to give up something else big. Maybe Olsen or Stokes?
July 30, 200521 yr How is this worse... cf-Jp 2b-Castillo 3b-Cabrera or lf-Ramirez 1b-Delgado 3b-Cabrera or lf-Ramirez C-Loduca Rf-Conine-Hermida ss-Gonzo Rotation Beckett Willis Moe Valdez Vargas Our pitching wont be the same but i guarantee our offense will score alot more. 880354[/snapback] Typically defense in sports (including pitching) wins championships. Look at that rotation. Josh who can get hurt again at the drop of a hat, Dontrelle who is typically inconsistent in the 2nd half (1 good start the other day doesn't alter that), Valdez who is mediocre at best and Vargas who is still unproven. Maybe the lineup doesn't get hurt bad, I don't know about scoring a lot more as you said though because Hermida is unproven in the majors and even as a big Conine fan I can't just say he can slide into the lineup everyday after missing half the season and put up the numbers Enc has put up. Maybe he can, but it's no gurarantee.
July 30, 200521 yr how about marlins get: Ramirez Contreras Cash (about 3mil a year) Everett Boston gets AJ Contreras Hermansen Marte Encarnacion(which I would hate to give up) White Sox get: Lowell Millar Arroyo Mueller Shoppach and/or Sanchez That would be a"blockbuster deal", that would help everyone, but it is also a "wet dream" 880351[/snapback] thats a big deal. but teh Red Sox and Marlins cant both get Contreras
July 30, 200521 yr thats a big deal. but teh Red Sox and Marlins cant both get Contreras 880358[/snapback] :lol Nice find.
July 30, 200521 yr I rather stay with what we have now. 880361[/snapback] BINGO I take our LF before I take Manny Ramirez.
July 30, 200521 yr I rather stay with what we have now. 880361[/snapback] BINGO I take our LF before I take Manny Ramirez. 880363[/snapback] :thumbup :thumbup
July 30, 200521 yr Typically defense in sports (including pitching) wins championships. Look at that rotation. Josh who can get hurt again at the drop of a hat, Dontrelle who is typically inconsistent in the 2nd half (1 good start the other day doesn't alter that), Valdez who is mediocre at best and Vargas who is still unproven. Maybe the lineup doesn't get hurt bad, I don't know about scoring a lot more as you said though because Hermida is unproven in the majors and even as a big Conine fan I can't just say he can slide into the lineup everyday after missing half the season and put up the numbers Enc has put up. Maybe he can, but it's no gurarantee. The worse defensive position would be lf with manny and in 03 Cabrera looked good at third and I have read that cabreras defense at third is solid......And I believe the redsox won last year with a below average defense.
July 30, 200521 yr If we do get him, they better pay like half of his contract, 20 Million is like a 3rd our payroll...
July 30, 200521 yr The fact that it has been reported that the Red Sox are talking to the Marlins does NOT mean the Marlins are talking to the Red Sox.
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