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Everyone in Boston (Owners, Fans, Teammates) all are sick of manny. They put him on waivers a few years back they just want to get rid of him. If they can get a few guys back I can see it happening. I don't know if Hermida and Allison is enough though Completely different times. Back then Manny still had 80mil or so left on his contract and no one was touching that. With only 7 mil left it's obviously much more affordable.

Everyone in Boston (Owners, Fans, Teammates) all are sick of manny. They put him on waivers a few years back they just want to get rid of him. If they can get a few guys back I can see it happening. I don't know if Hermida and Allison is enough though Completely different times. Back then Manny still had 80mil or so left on his contract and no one was touching that. With only 7 mil left it's obviously much more affordable.

consider yourself lucky you dont have to pay ~40 in Boston

he was dealing with hamstring problems for a while which may be the reason for recent struggles. Though he hasnt looked nearly as good in the #5 spot as his normal #2 spot which he finally got moved back to. #2 spot: .338 .437 .549 .986 (195 AB) #5 spot: .222 .315 .310 .625 (126 AB)

I doubt the Red Sox have any interest in Willis by himself, for one he'd probaly get picked apart in the AL even more than he already is

If Baltimore was smart they would have taken Manny/Clement, but to ask for Marte also is just complete bs. Adding Markakis wouldnt do much for me at all if Marte is in it because Marte is way better than Markakis and Clement and Manny is already overpaying. I have no problem keeping Manny and Clement, BALs loss.

If the Red Sox wouldnt even trade Marte for Crisp, why the hell would they trade him to get Gathright? Take out hte gathright and marte part and maybe it makes sense for the teams involved.

I dont see why the Red Sox wouldnt do this. They drop 20mil and add another young ace in Prior. That would give them a sick rotation of: 1. Prior 2. Schilling 3. Beckett 4. Wakefield 5. Clement/Papelbon and a future rotation 1. Prior 2. Beckett 3. Papelbon 4. Lester 5. Clement Um hell yea THe offense would lose some pop no doubt but obviously you still have guys like Varitek, Nixon, Ortiz, Loretta, Lowell, Marte, etc. Then trade Arroyo for Reed and continue to talk about a 3-way deal with the Pads and TB for Lugo and although a very long way off you would have: C Varitek 1B Youkillis 2B Loretta SS Lugo 3B Lowell/Marte LF ? CF Reed RF Nixon DH Oritz Not as good but hte pitching would definetly better, also Patterson may be included in the deal going to the Red Sox, obviously not good but might as well slide him into the 9 spot and you have a complete team.

wow dumb move. They knew dam right that a team would sign Jones , and passing up those picks was really an unsmart move. Even if they dont pick the "best" available player at that time in the draft, they could have easily told a lower level pick that they would pick them earlier then they would normally go and tell them how much money they will offer, much like the A's Moneyball draft. Better to have something than nothing.

the yankees are dumb at times but not dumb enough to trade a 22 yr 2B who can hit well for a 28 yr old Pierre, not happening.

nah Hanley isnt ready he was only a .270 hitter in AA last year so he needs time. Beckett a Red Sox!

hey guys thought id check up on my Marlins buddies. I see you guys have been doing well, Burnett especially. I think if hte Marlins make the playoffs that rotation can carry them a long way, well at least until they have to face the Red Sox in hte series

how about marlins get: Ramirez Contreras Cash (about 3mil a year) Everett Boston gets AJ Contreras Hermansen Marte Encarnacion(which I would hate to give up) White Sox get: Lowell Millar Arroyo Mueller Shoppach and/or Sanchez That would be a"blockbuster deal", that would help everyone, but it is also a "wet dream" 880351[/snapback] thats a big deal. but teh Red Sox and Marlins cant both get Contreras

I think it would be something like. AJ Lowell Johnson Enc Willy Manny (cash) Arroyo Something along those lines. Personally, I dont want him. He has a place down here for those that dont know. But, do we need manny and ruin our chemistry? He would die be amusing to see and he is a future Hall of Famer so he could drawl. But, I doubt we would win. As for the Tampa, mets, bosox deal. The Red sox are getting hosed and that deal is hung up on two things. 1. The Mets want the Red Sox to pay for more then half of manny's salary 2. TB wants Hanely and Sanchez, not Schoppah (sp??) 880328[/snapback] If TB is holding out for Hanley AND Sanchez then they have to be the biggest dumb*** organization out there. There already getting Milledge, Petit, Sanchez and then they want Hanley also???? I say Theo should back away from this crap deal altogether unless you can deal Manny without including prospects, otherwise this trade sucks for hte Red Sox.

I think it would be something like. AJ Lowell Johnson Enc Willy Manny (cash) Arroyo Something along those lines. Personally, I dont want him. He has a place down here for those that dont know. But, do we need manny and ruin our chemistry? He would die be amusing to see and he is a future Hall of Famer so he could drawl. But, I doubt we would win. As for the Tampa, mets, bosox deal. The Red sox are getting hosed and that deal is hung up on two things. 1. The Mets want the Red Sox to pay for more then half of manny's salary 2. TB wants Hanely and Sanchez, not Schoppah (sp??) 880328[/snapback]

and Hermida :respect

id like a Manny for Burnett, Hermida/or Olson and Lowell

"In Theo we Trust" He will not trade Papelbon/Lester/Sanchez/Pedroia/HanRam/Hansen/Delcarmen/Moss There is a strong rumor that we might get Wagner for Arroyo and Shoppach.Also we might get Cruz Jr.DFA'D by Arizona to platoon with Kapler until Trot returns if and when he does.Manny will only go to the Mets if possible .Minaya wants to make a big splash and they have the $$$$$$ to do it .How bout this rumor on WEEI850 Boston Man Ram for Beltran.We have a great young corp coming up and will compete for years to come.Our team is old now but wont be for long. 878096[/snapback] interesting...but where did you hear all this? Or did it all come from WEEI?

The only way any deal could possibly go through is if you throw in Hansen. You get AJ Lowell Olsen Josh Johnson PTBNL=Willingham We get Manny Arroyo Hansen A keg full of money 877959[/snapback] cant happen since you cant trade a drafted player until a year after the draft, plus Hanson is the next Lidge.

How about Sox get: AJ Lowell Lyle Overbay Bazardo Brewers get: Olsen Millar Marlins get: Ramirez (tons of cash) The Sox upgrade at 3B, 1B, and get an ace pitcher The Brewers get a top pitching prospect and a fill-in at 1B for the rest of the year before Prince Fielder come to town The Marlins get Ramirez.... and then another WS Ring! 877931[/snapback] YES PLEASE!!!

Its pretty simply AJ wants to go to Boston and sign a deal, so the Red Sox have to offer something else in the deal White Sox deal is base on just renting AJ for this year, b/c he isn't signing in Chicago. I'd bet you that this, if AJ says he'll sign with the White Sox that deal is a little different 877886[/snapback] It may be different but AJ said he wont 877891[/snapback] So you answered your own question...it will take more then Arroyo/Sanchez 877900[/snapback] No, because if the White Sox could sign Burnett, which they cant, then they may offer more but since they cant then we dont need to raise our offer. I dont think they should so its probaly those two offers or the Marlins keep Burnett. I wouldnt add any more if I were the Red Sox, as the deal is now, I wouldnt mind getting Burnett for that, and at the same time I wouldnt mind keeping Arroyo/Sanchez. But its looking like the Marlins will keep him.

Its pretty simply AJ wants to go to Boston and sign a deal, so the Red Sox have to offer something else in the deal White Sox deal is base on just renting AJ for this year, b/c he isn't signing in Chicago. I'd bet you that this, if AJ says he'll sign with the White Sox that deal is a little different 877886[/snapback] It may be different but AJ said he wont

Seriously though, all things aside which offer do u guys like better Marte/McCarthy or Arroyo/Sanchez? Really i cant see how the White Sox offer is better. RIght now Marte is on pace for 19 more innings, so the Marlins would get 19 innings of 3 ERA ball and a good SP spect. Now if they did the Red Sox deal they would get a SP whos actually 2 years younger than Marte who would give them 75 innings this season of 4 ERA ball and a good SP prospect whos probaly better than the one the White Sox are offering. So you can have the 30yr MR (19inn, 3 ERA) or the 28yr SP (75inn, 4 ERA ball) along with a good SP prospect in each deal. So im asking this, you guys wouldnt be disappointed if you got the White Sox offer instead of hte Red Sox offer just because two owners hate each other?

according to ESPN.com's rumor mill the White Sox have shown no interest at all in sweetning their offer of Marte and McCarthy, because of signability reasons with Burnett.

BTW all Sanchez is 35th on BA midseason ratings. Posted them within the minor league area for anyone interested. 877573[/snapback] and for all you other non-sanchez believers, heres his line from today in AA: 6innings, 4hits, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 Ks, giving him an ERA of 1.31 in AA