The "real" FAN Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Rival executives were stunned when the Marlins declined to offer salary arbitration to free-agent closer Todd Jones after Jones' two-year deal with the Tigers became public knowledge. The Marlins would have received two compensation picks if they had extended the offer, giving them five selections in the first and sandwich rounds, including the two they will receive for Burnett, plus their own. The only logical conclusion: The Marlins don't want to pay big money to that many draft picks http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=43814 then whats the point in building through your farm system if your not going to take advantage of draft picks being given to you :mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louiecastillo1 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Damn, this franchise is more screwed than I thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlapHands69 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Thats so Marlins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 You know that says to me? They plan on having the lowest payroll in the league for awhile, otherwise they would have dished out the bucks for these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolando8291 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 loria strikes again.... piece of sh*t owner... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Exactly as I suspected. They are doing all they can this year to generate as much positive cash flow as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Punisher Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Horsesh*t move and we all know it. You don't pass up picks for anything. We lost Jones for nothing. We are a small market team we can't afford to lose out!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 "Market Correction?" - :plain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdsxmbnt Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 wow dumb move. They knew dam right that a team would sign Jones , and passing up those picks was really an unsmart move. Even if they dont pick the "best" available player at that time in the draft, they could have easily told a lower level pick that they would pick them earlier then they would normally go and tell them how much money they will offer, much like the A's Moneyball draft. Better to have something than nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Moneyball draft. What do you have to say about this, Money? :mischief2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Not offering Encarnacion arbi, for example, you could at least defend by saying there's always the chance he'd take it. Jones however was clearly going to get a contract elsewhere. Just sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJBurnett34 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 We should of gotten this deal, it would of helped us out in the farm system and would of had us a good pitcher at the end of our pitching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 They probably only offered AJ arbitration because they were getting a third round pick out of it because of protection and BJ Ryan. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugg Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 This is new news? You can spin anything anyway you want. I like the last sentence. That's not the only logical conclusion. Todd Jones hadn't signed anything yet, nothing was official. You could certainly conclude that the deal was based on us not offering, as to not lose their picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapp/Laettnerfanatic Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 How can they talk of winning if they dont take advantage of the GD system? This is so elementary. its a no questions asked type of move, how in the hell did they pass on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorsfortheMarlins Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 WOW...i dont know what to say...this is f*ed up!!!! you have to build the farm system through draft...look at some of the studs we drafted like beckett... im predicting it here gator 1st baseban matt laporta leads ncaa with homers for the second straight year...and gets picked in the suplemental draft of the 1st round, and not by the fish cause they dont have picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My3Username Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Umm why is everyone finding this out today? to me it seems some people here can't either think for themselves, don't have commmon sense or just can't make up your minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moneyball Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Moneyball draft. What do you have to say about this, Money? :mischief2 Wetodid, on the FO's part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilksthequaker Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 This is new news? You can spin anything anyway you want. I like the last sentence. That's not the only logical conclusion. Todd Jones hadn't signed anything yet, nothing was official. You could certainly conclude that the deal was based on us not offering, as to not lose their picks. He would have probably made a killing in arbitration and had the Marlins offered it, he may have taken it over the Tigers deal. It would have been less than the Tigers were paying for two years, but seeing what closers go for these days, it's probably not a risk the FO wanted to take. Personally I think Jones will suck anyway this year and the Tigers will be paying somebody to take him on come next winter. Either that, or they'll jettison him over to the Phillies, who will once again overpay for a setup man even though they're not making the postseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 More than 5.5 million though? I don't think that's a certainty. Plus, if you assume he gets 6-7 million from arbitration which I would question, isn't it still likely he would choose the security of a two year deal for slightly less than having a one year deal and needing to prove himself again on a much less talented squad? And before someone chimes in with the possibility that this was an unsigned deal until the Marlins declined arbitration, I've considered it. The Tigers' first round pick is protected, I think they would take losing a second round pick to sign someone they saw as one of the premier relievers in this year's class. Just saying I think the most likely conclusion right now is not that they were afraid Jones would take the arbitration but that they did not want the surplus draft selections for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Shadow Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 More than 5.5 million though? I don't think that's a certainty. Plus, if you assume he gets 6-7 million from arbitration which I would question, isn't it still likely he would choose the security of a two year deal for slightly less than having a one year deal and needing to prove himself again on a much less talented squad? And before someone chimes in with the possibility that this was an unsigned deal until the Marlins declined arbitration, I've considered it. The Tigers' first round pick is protected, I think they would take losing a second round pick to sign someone they saw as one of the premier relievers in this year's class. Just saying I think the most likely conclusion right now is not that they were afraid Jones would take the arbitration but that they did not want the surplus draft selections for whatever reason. I don't think the Marlins are totally to be blame here, Jones did make a statement a week before signing with the Tigers about returning to the Fish. Something about helping Willis win more games, IMO the Marlins got scared he would have accepted the Marlins offer and be stuck paying a contract they didn't want to pay. Also the Tigers 1st round pick is protected, so the chances the Marlins would have been taking don't merit the reward. Just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accord Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 This is disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoFish Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 This is disgusting. Yes, indeed. :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaFish Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 I'm taking the opposite approach here. Why be saddled with a bunch of first round "bonus babies" that most likely will not pan out. The MLB draft is NOT the NFL draft. It doesn't matter what round they're drafted in to guarantee success. For every one A-Rod or Josh Beckett out there you will have 100 Brien Taylors, Josh Hamiltons, and Shawn Abners. It makes business sense, that's all. So you pass up having to pay bonuses to two or three players that may never play for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaRay21 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Actually, It's interesting to see what he's doing... anyone ever see " Major League " He's trying to make attendance so bad and make the team so bad that no one will care if he tries to move them... 2 years of 100 loss seasons will probably do that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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