September 14, 200521 yr Woody Paige: Without Dontrelle the Marlins wouldn't even be in the wild card race, but the Cardinals would still be where they are and in the playoffs regardless of how Carpenter pitches. Tim Cowlishaw: Carpenter has better stats across the board. Stat boy gave the point to Woody Paige :thumbup .
September 14, 200521 yr Too bad Cy Young is best pitcher not most valuable pitcher. And Woody Paige is a moron, this doesn't change that.
September 14, 200521 yr woody paige is the man... and thats the argument i made the other night.... STATBOY find the topic
September 14, 200521 yr I give the point to Tim Cowlishaw. I don't even like that arguement for MVP, let alone the Cy Young.
September 14, 200521 yr See, Dontrelle should win MVP because of his value to the team But because Cy Young is strictly the best pitcher, Carp gets it (for now..)
September 14, 200521 yr See, Dontrelle should win MVP because of his value to the team But because Cy Young is strictly the best pitcher, Carp gets it (for now..) 945325[/snapback] If you're going to say strictly best pitcher than Clemens should get it. Clemens>Carpenter. Everyone is going to look at the wins but ERA should have a much greater weight. A pitcher can't control the run support.
September 14, 200521 yr See, Dontrelle should win MVP because of his value to the team But because Cy Young is strictly the best pitcher, Carp gets it (for now..) 945325[/snapback] If you're going to say strictly best pitcher than Clemens should get it. Clemens>Carpenter. Everyone is going to look at the wins but ERA should have a much greater weight. A pitcher can't control the run support. 945375[/snapback] Got that right. Donny willis for mvp
September 14, 200521 yr Author See, Dontrelle should win MVP because of his value to the team But because Cy Young is strictly the best pitcher, Carp gets it (for now..) 945325[/snapback] If you're going to say strictly best pitcher than Clemens should get it. Clemens>Carpenter. Everyone is going to look at the wins but ERA should have a much greater weight. A pitcher can't control the run support. 945375[/snapback] Clemens will not win the Cy Young this for year for the very same reason that Randy Johnson did not win it last year. The Big Unit > Clemens in EVERY category last year except wins, yet Clemens won it because he had more wins and he had run support. If Clemens wins the Cy Young this year, then the whole process is a sham and his 2004 award should be given to the Unit. Whichever pitcher has more wins is going to win it, all the Clemens talk this year is nice and heartwarming, but he isn't winning anything with the words "Cy" in it.
September 15, 200521 yr I think if you add in his win shares/VORP for hitting the race is closer than it appears.
September 15, 200521 yr See, Dontrelle should win MVP because of his value to the team But because Cy Young is strictly the best pitcher, Carp gets it (for now..) 945325[/snapback] If you're going to say strictly best pitcher than Clemens should get it. Clemens>Carpenter. Everyone is going to look at the wins but ERA should have a much greater weight. A pitcher can't control the run support. 945375[/snapback] Clemens will not win the Cy Young this for year for the very same reason that Randy Johnson did not win it last year. The Big Unit > Clemens in EVERY category last year except wins, yet Clemens won it because he had more wins and he had run support. If Clemens wins the Cy Young this year, then the whole process is a sham and his 2004 award should be given to the Unit. Whichever pitcher has more wins is going to win it, all the Clemens talk this year is nice and heartwarming, but he isn't winning anything with the words "Cy" in it. 945442[/snapback] I know, I know. I don't agree with it though. I'm just saying if it was up to me. Watching ESPN right now and the guy commenting the Brewers game just said he thinks D-Train deserves it. :thumbup
September 15, 200521 yr Watching ESPN right now and the guy commenting the Brewers game just said he thinks D-Train deserves it.? :thumbup 946577[/snapback] I heard that too. It's great to see Dontrelle starting to get some props. :thumbup
September 15, 200521 yr See, Dontrelle should win MVP because of his value to the team But because Cy Young is strictly the best pitcher, Carp gets it (for now..) 945325[/snapback] If you're going to say strictly best pitcher than Clemens should get it. Clemens>Carpenter. Everyone is going to look at the wins but ERA should have a much greater weight. A pitcher can't control the run support. 945375[/snapback] Clemens will not win the Cy Young this for year for the very same reason that Randy Johnson did not win it last year. The Big Unit > Clemens in EVERY category last year except wins, yet Clemens won it because he had more wins and he had run support. If Clemens wins the Cy Young this year, then the whole process is a sham and his 2004 award should be given to the Unit. Whichever pitcher has more wins is going to win it, all the Clemens talk this year is nice and heartwarming, but he isn't winning anything with the words "Cy" in it. 945442[/snapback] What about the "Mr FanCy Pants" Award?
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