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wasn't it jeffery loria himself that said he wants to keep baseball in south florida, and he will do everything in his power to do so?

 

 

didn't he know going in that if it didin't turn out he could lose a great deal of money?

 

so here we are 2 years removed from a world championship (which you promised us, and with that you deserve to be congradulated and thanked) but now... we're cutting payroll, reconstructing and relocation seems to be the next step because of lack of funding for a new stadium.

 

well here's to you mr. loria. you promised us, loyal fans of the marlins, limited as we are that you would do anything in your power to keep the team in south florida. so i say, sell the team, sell the team to a person who can afford to pay for a stadium and stop bullshiting us like you did to montreal. thats all

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wasn't it jeffery loria himself that said he wants to keep baseball in south florida, and he will do everything in his power to do so?

 

 

didn't he know going in that if it didin't turn out he could lose a great deal of money?

 

so here we are 2 years removed from a world championship (which you promised us, and with that you deserve to be congradulated and thanked) but now... we're cutting payroll, reconstructing and relocation seems to be the next step because of lack of funding for a new stadium.

 

well here's to you mr. loria. you promised us, loyal fans of the marlins, limited as we are that you would do anything in your power to keep the team in south florida. so i say, sell the team, sell the team to a person who can afford to pay for a stadium and stop bullshiting us like you did to montreal. thats all

 

 

 

No one wants to loose money. The Marlins are just not a succesful business... and we can blame the people of South FLA for that. No help to build a stadium, nto enough people going to games. Even though they have been competetive the last 3 years including winning a World SEries. I really hope they do move this team out of Florida because, we do not desrve a basbeall team.

 

and furthermore.... you calling Loria a liar is a little unfair. The guy has done all he can including loosing LOTS of money while bringing a winner to south FLA and all you can do is call him a Liar.

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wasn't it jeffery loria himself that said he wants to keep baseball in south florida, and he will do everything in his power to do so?

 

 

didn't he know going in that if it didin't turn out he could lose a great deal of money?

 

so here we are 2 years removed from a world championship (which you promised us, and with that you deserve to be congradulated and thanked) but now... we're cutting payroll, reconstructing and relocation seems to be the next step because of lack of funding for a new stadium.

 

well here's to you mr. loria. you promised us, loyal fans of the marlins, limited as we are that you would do anything in your power to keep the team in south florida. so i say, sell the team, sell the team to a person who can afford to pay for a stadium and stop bullshiting us like you did to montreal. thats all

 

 

 

No one wants to loose money. The Marlins are just not a succesful business... and we can blame the people of South FLA for that. No help to build a stadium, nto enough people going to games. Even though they have been competetive the last 3 years including winning a World SEries. I really hope they do move this team out of Florida because, we do not desrve a basbeall team.

 

and furthermore.... you calling Loria a liar is a little unfair. The guy has done all he can including loosing LOTS of money while bringing a winner to south FLA and all you can do is call him a Liar.

 

 

Boog makes a good point...loria knew EXACTLY what he was getting himself into buying this team. he gambled his money at the expense of south florida fans.(the ones that loved the team neway)

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I have to run but what really happened here, and if you actually listen to the press conference, you'll know Samson was talking to Manny Diaz and his stooge, Joe Ariolla, who have done everything in their power to force Jeffrey Loria to sell the Marlins to one of their "friends".

 

That's why you heard Samson say, (paraphrasing) "...this is Jeffrey Loria's team. He IS the local owner...Jeffrey is not selling the Marlins..." because the mafia in Miami has tried to screw him every which way but loose.

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I have to run but what really happened here, and if you actually listen to the press conference, you'll know Samson was talking to Manny Diaz and his stooge, Joe Ariolla, who have done everything in their power to force Jeffrey Loria to sell the Marlins to one of their "friends".

 

That's why you heard Samson say, (paraphrasing) "...this is Jeffrey Loria's team. He IS the local owner...Jeffrey is not selling the Marlins..." because the mafia in Miami has tried to screw him every which way but loose.

 

 

 

Great post...there is obviously more here than meets the eye. It seems as if the deck is really stacked against Loria...on a number of different levels.

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This is absolutely disgusting and disgraceful. As a season ticket holder, I feel like i've been flat out lied to and punched in the gut by Loria and his cronies.

 

Beckett and Lowell are probably extremely happy to be getting away from this mess and going to one of the best baseball cities in the world no less.

 

If the Marlins move out of Florida, I will not continue to be a fan of them and I will not support them. I've already been a casual fan of the Devil Rays for a few years now, if the Marlins move out of state then i'll just become a full time D-Rays fan.

 

I love this team so much, I went to North Carolina during the summer for the sole purpose of going to Carolina Mudcats and Greensboro Grasshopper games, I don't know too many fans of other teams who would travel a thousand miles just to go see the farm teams of their favorite big league club. I sat through every rain delay in my seats with my poncho on, I never even went up to the concourse, even if the delays were 2+ hours and every single time it was worth it because players like Todd Jones would come out and throw balls to the select few of us who decided to stay.

 

This is just sad. I'm sorry but I just can't commit real dollars to this team anymore. At least back in the horrible 1999, 2000, and 2001 seasons, even though the team sucked, at least we knew they were here to stay and could always look forward to next year.

 

I did give a $700 deposit for season tickets next year, but I don't have seats locked in. If the Marlins are going cheap, then so will I, i'm still going to go next year but i'm going to get whatever the cheapest plan is with decent seats, probably upperdeck 20 game plan.

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wasn't it jeffery loria himself that said he wants to keep baseball in south florida, and he will do everything in his power to do so?

 

 

didn't he know going in that if it didin't turn out he could lose a great deal of money?

 

so here we are 2 years removed from a world championship (which you promised us, and with that you deserve to be congradulated and thanked) but now... we're cutting payroll, reconstructing and relocation seems to be the next step because of lack of funding for a new stadium.

 

well here's to you mr. loria. you promised us, loyal fans of the marlins, limited as we are that you would do anything in your power to keep the team in south florida. so i say, sell the team, sell the team to a person who can afford to pay for a stadium and stop bullshiting us like you did to montreal. thats all

 

 

i'd say that he has gone above and beyond doing all he could to keep the team in miami. what do you want him to do? Find the lost city of gold and then buy a stadium with that money?

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Marlins2003,

 

You are right on. I heard those targeted comments as well. Remember how arriola came out a long time ago accusing Loria of not having the money. There is really something there.

 

And if i here anymore talk of "this owner not being welthy enough to own a mlb team" I am going to puke. What a load of ****! Carl Pohlad owns the twins and is the wealthiest mlb owner yet he has the same issues with a stadium and runs his team at a lower budget than the Marlins.

 

South Florida gives publis funding to two arena's, a performing arts center, an art museum and an already existing science museum but we can't help fund a baseball stadium? Are two million people a year going to attend that art museum they want to put in bicentennial park?

 

I still say we need to build it next to JRS. The Metrorail will go there one or two years after the stadium is completed (the 27th ave line is due for completion in 2011.

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While I agree this town has crappy in-stadium fan support, the fact remains that Loria is not free from blame here.

 

1. He knew he was getting a crappy deal at Dolphins stadium because of the deal John Henry made with Huzienga. Even assuming the Marlins had 30k per game, they would still lose a ton of money primarily because of the stupid stadium/concession/parking deal they have. Presently, they would literally have to lead the league in attendance in order to be borderline profitable.

 

2. Loria gambled. Plain and simple. He thought that if he spent some money up front, built a good team and won a championship that the politicos would be willing to finance a stadium. It is not the fans' fault that politicians don't want to do more. Even assuming there was 30k per game, does anyone really believe that magically that would be enough to cover a $45-60 million shortfall? It really is convenient to blame the fans but, in reality, what good is that going to do?

 

3. In the end, what we're really talking about is that the Marlins want a publicly funded stadium for obvious reasons: small risk with a potentially high return.

 

I love this team; I love this organization and I will be devastated if they leave. I agree that this team deserves better fan support at the stadium. Unfortunately, this really wouldn't help the Marlins all that much-- it would make Huzienga even more money. He's the villain in this.

 

Why won't MLB extend a loan to the Marlins? They freakin' bailed the Expos out and paid Peter Angelos MILLIONS of dollars. Throw a loan to the Marlins to keep them here, the 8th biggest market in the country.

 

Bottom line: there's plenty of blame to go around, but don't put it all on the fans. Lots of us have spent a lot of money on this team at games and on merchandise. Maybe the best thing to do is to bring in a minority partner with a lot of money-- the Marlins stand to make much more through a privately-owned stadium in the end. Someone just has to come up with the money.

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wasn't it jeffery loria himself that said he wants to keep baseball in south florida, and he will do everything in his power to do so?

 

 

didn't he know going in that if it didin't turn out he could lose a great deal of money?

 

so here we are 2 years removed from a world championship (which you promised us, and with that you deserve to be congradulated and thanked) but now... we're cutting payroll, reconstructing and relocation seems to be the next step because of lack of funding for a new stadium.

 

well here's to you mr. loria. you promised us, loyal fans of the marlins, limited as we are that you would do anything in your power to keep the team in south florida. so i say, sell the team, sell the team to a person who can afford to pay for a stadium and stop bullshiting us like you did to montreal. thats all

 

 

i'd say that he has gone above and beyond doing all he could to keep the team in miami. what do you want him to do? Find the lost city of gold and then buy a stadium with that money?

 

 

he had 2 objectives when buying the team. one was to win a world series championship...check. the other was to build a stadium and keep the team in south florida. he can't get the stadium, so sell the team to someone that can afford to keep the team in south florida. thats all.

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While I agree this town has crappy in-stadium fan support, the fact remains that Loria is not free from blame here.

 

1. He knew he was getting a crappy deal at Dolphins stadium because of the deal John Henry made with Huzienga. Even assuming the Marlins had 30k per game, they would still lose a ton of money primarily because of the stupid stadium/concession/parking deal they have. Presently, they would literally have to lead the league in attendance in order to be borderline profitable.

 

2. Loria gambled. Plain and simple. He thought that if he spent some money up front, built a good team and won a championship that the politicos would be willing to finance a stadium. It is not the fans' fault that politicians don't want to do more. Even assuming there was 30k per game, does anyone really believe that magically that would be enough to cover a $45-60 million shortfall? It really is convenient to blame the fans but, in reality, what good is that going to do?

 

3. In the end, what we're really talking about is that the Marlins want a publicly funded stadium for obvious reasons: small risk with a potentially high return.

 

I love this team; I love this organization and I will be devastated if they leave. I agree that this team deserves better fan support at the stadium. Unfortunately, this really wouldn't help the Marlins all that much-- it would make Huzienga even more money. He's the villain in this.

 

Why won't MLB extend a loan to the Marlins? They freakin' bailed the Expos out and paid Peter Angelos MILLIONS of dollars. Throw a loan to the Marlins to keep them here, the 8th biggest market in the country.

 

Bottom line: there's plenty of blame to go around, but don't put it all on the fans. Lots of us have spent a lot of money on this team at games and on merchandise. Maybe the best thing to do is to bring in a minority partner with a lot of money-- the Marlins stand to make much more through a privately-owned stadium in the end. Someone just has to come up with the money.

 

right on!

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