Sorry for another question about this. Will this announcement be made by the mayor of Hialeah? Will it be on a radio station.. the same one he is always on?.

 

OMG.

 

:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

 

There is no announcement planned at this point, that we know of anyways. This is just the passing of the deadline Wolff put on the Marlins.

 

I guess I read it wrong. I thought there was going to be an announcement tomorrow.

so guys what happens next besides the deadline passing? any good vibes or wat?

And the deadline is here, it is now May 15th.

New article in today's sun-sentinal about the stadium, some good stuff in it -

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-mar...la-sports-front

Except for sheer volume, the numbers are probably similar. Similar percentage hispanic, similar poverty percentage, similar mean age, etc. But the volume definitely wins out.

Just had to say.....it's not about Hispanic population. See, we Hispanics are a very different breed from each other. Caribbean Hispanics (something Miami has a plethora of) along with Venezuelans (likewise) love their baseball, while all other Hispanics love soccer. It's not about speaking spanish but what dialect you speak.

Answer due on Texans' proposal to Marlins

 

Team remains focused on Dade

 

By Sarah Talalay

South Florida Sun-Sentinel

Posted May 15 2006

 

San Antonio officials are hoping to get an answer today to their offer to help the Marlins finance a stadium, but it's unlikely they'll get a definitive one.

 

Even Bexar County Judge Nelson Wolff, the San Antonio politician leading the effort to lure the Marlins, isn't exactly waiting by the phone. He and other San Antonio officials know the Marlins are focusing on forging a stadium deal in the city of Hialeah and that plenty of issues remain unsettled.

 

 

 

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"I didn't think they were going to make the deadline," Wolff said, adding he has not received a formal response.

 

Wolff issued today's deadline because he said time was needed to hash out a stadium financing deal and put a measure on the Nov. 7 ballot to ask county voters to extend the hotel and rental car taxes raised to help build the San Antonio Spurs' arena. The taxes could raise an estimated $200 million for a ballpark.

 

Wolff said he was always aware the Marlins' first choice was to remain in South Florida.

 

"They've been fair about that," Wolff said. "They were honest."

 

Although it's unknown precisely how the Marlins, who declined comment, and Major League Baseball will formally answer San Antonio's offer, their focus remains on completing a deal locally with Miami-Dade County and the city of Hialeah. MLB is expected to respond to San Antonio today.

 

Although they were disappointed a last-minute push to gain state funding for the project failed when the Legislature adjourned its session earlier this month before the House would consider it, local officials say they are working to bridge the roughly $100 million gap in a plan for a $430 million stadium.

 

"We're still waiting for the county to finish some of their calculations," Hialeah Mayor Julio Robaina said. "We're moving forward, we're just trying to make up this gap."

 

Miami-Dade County Manager George Burgess said the sides are examining how much land can be secured for the ballpark. He estimated as much as 60 to 80 acres could be needed to accommodate parking. The sides are also studying how much property tax could be captured on development proposed in the area targeted for the ballpark east of Florida's Turnpike, west of 97th Avenue and between Northwest 154th and 170th streets. The county commission and Hialeah City Council would need to approve putting their portions of the property tax toward a stadium.

 

"I do have optimism this one may be possible," Burgess said of a deal being finalized. "It requires some good fortune and for everyone to recognize that to make this work there needs to be participation from everybody."

 

The Marlins have pledged $212 million mainly in rent payments; the county has committed $108 million to $120 million in hotel and sports facilities taxes. Robaina said he is convinced developer Armando Codina will contribute a portion of the 500 acres he owns in the targeted area to the city, which in turn will donate it to the Marlins.

 

Although supportive of keeping the Marlins in South Florida, Codina has not included a stadium in his plans for an industrial and office park in the area.

 

"If the city desires to have a baseball stadium there, then we will work to support their efforts," Codina said in a statement released earlier this month. "It is possible that this could be the best suburban site for the Marlins' stadium, although I have always felt a more urban location would be the most preferable ... We will, if asked, carefully evaluate the situation and continue to work with all interested parties."

Sampson Loria or Beinfest need to publically make a statement regarding the Stadium today.

You didn't highlight this:

 

"We're still waiting for the county to finish some of their calculations," Hialeah Mayor Julio Robaina said. "We're moving forward, we're just trying to make up this gap."

 

The sides are also studying how much property tax could be captured on development proposed in the area targeted for the ballpark east of Florida's Turnpike, west of 97th Avenue and between Northwest 154th and 170th streets.

 

This is the only big news in the article. Very good news.

Except for sheer volume, the numbers are probably similar. Similar percentage hispanic, similar poverty percentage, similar mean age, etc. But the volume definitely wins out.

Just had to say.....it's not about Hispanic population. See, we Hispanics are a very different breed from each other. Caribbean Hispanics (something Miami has a plethora of) along with Venezuelans (likewise) love their baseball, while all other Hispanics love soccer. It's not about speaking spanish but what dialect you speak.

 

In all fairness, northern Mexico is big into baseball as well. The Mexican League teams have a very good followin.

In all fairness, northern Mexico is big into baseball as well. The Mexican League teams have a very good followin.

 

 

But economically is it a population that would be worth captivating ? The average income below the border is not worth it IMO. Yes its a large number of people, but would they have the money to sustain advertising ? Just because there is a large population, it doesn't translate into $$$, which afterall is what the real deal is here.

In all fairness, northern Mexico is big into baseball as well. The Mexican League teams have a very good followin.

 

 

But economically is it a population that would be worth captivating ? The average income below the border is not worth it IMO. Yes its a large number of people, but would they have the money to sustain advertising ? Just because there is a large population, it doesn't translate into $$$, which afterall is what the real deal is here.

 

So you're saying the Carribean and Venezuela have more money than northern Mexico? Actually many places in northern Mexico do have a significant amount of money (from US tourists and business interests).

 

The point was that a large part of Mexico loves baseball, so the statement that only the Carribean and Venezuela love baseball in the hispanic world was incorrect. But most parts of northern Mexico are certainly worth trying to cultivate as a broadcast market, but not a home market. Especially Monterrey (closest to be able to work as a home market)

 

 

On a side note, i noticed I forgot the g in "following". Now I feel like a hick.

Lets see what happens today :thumbup .

Codina is giving the land. Robaina and other folks in Hialeah went to bat for him before the County Commission to move the UDB line for his project, he's not going to all of a sudden turn around and say he's not going to donate the land. No politician would ever trust him. Codina is smarter than that. He's giving the land.

Codina is giving the land. Robaina and other folks in Hialeah went to bat for him before the County Commission to move the UDB line for his project, he's not going to all of a sudden turn around and say he's not going to donate the land. No politician would ever trust him. Codina is smarter than that. He's giving the land.

 

 

wow someone used their head on the whole codina issue...that is the only point ive been trying to make for the past 60 days or so....thank you prinmemito

Actually, some of the most affluent areas of San Antonio include a large number of homes owned by Mexican nationals. Mexico is a country of haves and have nots. Not much middle class at all. But make no mistake about it, the haves are a VERY desirable demo. You should see them during Holy Week here in SA, strolling the malls.....flush with large amounts of cash and shopping bags loaded with expensive merchandise.

I can't believe we are still tracking this deadline.

 

A no to SA doesn't gurantee a deal in South Florida

Codina wouldn't be turning his back by refusing to give something up. He can repay them in other ways if necessary.

 

It very well could happen, but until I see it I won't believe it. It's too perfect to be true.

Actually, some of the most affluent areas of San Antonio include a large number of homes owned by Mexican nationals. Mexico is a country of haves and have nots. Not much middle class at all. But make no mistake about it, the haves are a VERY desirable demo. You should see them during Holy Week here in SA, strolling the malls.....flush with large amounts of cash and shopping bags loaded with expensive merchandise.

 

 

yup, that's why there are daily flights (quite possibly soon to be a shuttle) between here and Monterrey. It's not really because of the SA people wanting to visit Monterrey, but because of rich Mexicans wanting to be able to get back and forth easily.

Except for sheer volume, the numbers are probably similar. Similar percentage hispanic, similar poverty percentage, similar mean age, etc. But the volume definitely wins out.

Just had to say.....it's not about Hispanic population. See, we Hispanics are a very different breed from each other. Caribbean Hispanics (something Miami has a plethora of) along with Venezuelans (likewise) love their baseball, while all other Hispanics love soccer. It's not about speaking spanish but what dialect you speak.In all fairness, northern Mexico is big into baseball as well. The Mexican League teams have a very good followin.It's not even close to the same level.....plus it's only half of one country as opposed to four entire ones.

Sampson Loria or Beinfest need to publically make a statement regarding the Stadium today.

 

 

don't hold your breath...the marlins ownership has never met a deadline they liked or used

Juanky Posted Today, 10:20 AM: It's not even close to the same level.....plus it's only half of one country as opposed to four entire ones.

 

Somewhere along the line I may have lost the Point: Is the point being made that Cubans/Mexicans/ Puerto Ricanos/Latinos/etc. have a different level of LOVE for the game?

 

If so, you'll have to show me the stats that reflect that. I'm not saying you're wrong, I would need proof in order to believe it.

 

Baseball is one sport that us Hispanics get be proud of because of the representation. :thumbup

The difference is simply this - Mexico is half in love with baseball, half in love with soccer. That simply is not the case in the Big Four baseball countries of the Hispanic world. Venezuela overloaded Google with Marlin searches recently (thanks to rferry for that info), while people who originate from Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the DR could give a crap less about any sport that doesn't involve a bat, gloves, and bases. (I could also mention Nicaragua in all of this, but since Miami really doesn't have a large Nica population and I'm not sure SA does either it's a moot issue.) That's mostly the point.....if you go into a city full of Mexicans, you have a 50-50 chance they'll take kindly to the baseball team. If you go to a city full of Cubans/Puerto Ricans/Dominicans, you'll hear the Spanish radio stations talking about baseball during football season even when there's absolutely nothing to report.

Juanky Posted Today, 10:20 AM: It's not even close to the same level.....plus it's only half of one country as opposed to four entire ones.

 

Somewhere along the line I may have lost the Point: Is the point being made that Cubans/Mexicans/ Puerto Ricanos/Latinos/etc. have a different level of LOVE for the game?

 

If so, you'll have to show me the stats that reflect that. I'm not saying you're wrong, I would need proof in order to believe it.

 

Baseball is one sport that us Hispanics get be proud of because of the representation. :thumbup

 

Baseball is the main sport in Cuba, Puerto Rico, DR, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Panama. There is not even a close second in those countries (except maybe PR, where they love basketball, too).

 

The point being made by Juanky, I believe, is that we have tons of people of those nationalities in So. Florida, not that the markets in Latin America are going to sustain the team. That means the team will have a lot of support closer to where they live (Hialeah is certainly in the center of the latin population of so. florida).

Exactly.

It's not even close to the same level.....plus it's only half of one country as opposed to four entire ones.

 

 

If you say so, on your first sentence.

 

On your second... That is not a good response. Puerto Rico is the only carribean area with even a decent wage, and that's only because it is a US protectorate. Mexico as far as decent wage beats out all the other countries, the the northern half is where most of the money is. It's also has the higher population density, etc, for the most part.

 

Mexico is a better potential secondary market than the carribean and venezuela. Now if you're looking for players, than yes, I'd have to say look in the the other areas, at least for now.

 

But either way, MLB should take advantage of both markets and no one should be classifying who likes what based on race or country of origin. It's stupid. People like what they like no matter where they are raised.

 

The difference is simply this - Mexico is half in love with baseball, half in love with soccer. That simply is not the case in the Big Four baseball countries of the Hispanic world. Venezuela overloaded Google with Marlin searches recently (thanks to rferry for that info), while people who originate from Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the DR could give a crap less about any sport that doesn't involve a bat, gloves, and bases. (I could also mention Nicaragua in all of this, but since Miami really doesn't have a large Nica population and I'm not sure SA does either it's a moot issue.) That's mostly the point.....if you go into a city full of Mexicans, you have a 50-50 chance they'll take kindly to the baseball team. If you go to a city full of Cubans/Puerto Ricans/Dominicans, you'll hear the Spanish radio stations talking about baseball during football season even when there's absolutely nothing to report.

 

 

Okay, see, I wasn't saying that as a comparison between Miami and Sa. I was just mentioning that to say "mexicans don't like baseball" is NAIVE and IDIOTIC. A large percentage of Mexicans LOVE baseball and strongly as anyone else.

 

Also, SA IS NOT A CITY FULL OF MEXICANS. Mexican decent, yes, not mexicans. The vast majority of people in SA have grown up watching the Rangers, Astros, and Missions and couldn't care less about soccer. As I said in my last comment, it's absurd to make those judgements based on race or country of origin. People like what they like, it's just a matter of whether they've been exposed to it.