September 27, 200620 yr National League: MVP - Ryan Howard CY - Brandon Webb ROY - Hanley Ramirez MOY - Joe Girardi Rolaids - Trevor Hoffman American League: MVP - Justin Morneau CY - Johan Santana ROY - Justin Verlander MOY - Jim Leyland Rolaids - Fransisco Rodriguez Comeback Player: Frank Thomas Carpenter sure has been pissing away that Cy Young.. and a Pujols/Howard MVP discussion is warranted. I'm sure there will be people in the Ortiz and Jeter for MVP camp.
September 27, 200620 yr National League: MVP - Ryan Howard CY - Brandon Webb ROY - Dan Uggla MOY - Joe Girardi Rolaids - Trevor Hoffman American League: MVP - Justin Morneau CY - Johan Santana ROY - Justin Verlander/Francisco Liriano (tie) MOY - Jim Leyland Rolaids - Fransisco Rodriguez Comeback Player: Frank Thomas
September 27, 200620 yr Author Pitchers have their own award.. someone who plays 20% of the season should NOT be MVP. ...especially when a pitcher on his own staff was better than him for a significant chunk of the season.
September 27, 200620 yr National League: MVP - Ryan Howard CY - Chris Carpenter ROY - Hanley Ramirez MOY - Charlie Manuel Rolaids - Trevor Hoffman American League: MVP - Justin Morneau CY - Johan Santana ROY - Justin Verlander MOY - Jim Leyland Rolaids - Fransisco Rodriguez Comeback Player: Frank Thomas
September 27, 200620 yr National League: MVP - Ryan Howard CY - Chris Carpenter ROY - Dan Uggla MOY - Joe Girardi Rolaids - Trevor Hoffman American League: MVP - Justin Morneau CY - Johan Santana ROY - Justin Verlander MOY - Jim Leyland Rolaids - Fransisco Rodriguez Comeback Player AL: Frank Thomas Comeback Player NL: Nomar Garciaparra
September 27, 200620 yr Pitchers have their own award.. someone who plays 20% of the season should NOT be MVP. ...especially when a pitcher on his own staff was better than him for a significant chunk of the season. When there are so many hitters with similar credentials, and one pitcher who has been so dominant, I think he can win it. I mean, if you think about it, a guy like Morneau only plays 1/9 of the hitting for his team, plus whatever percentage of defensive plays he makes based on the teams total. I'd say he is involved in less than 20% of his team's plays.
September 27, 200620 yr AL: MVP: Morneau Cy Young: Santana ROTY: Liriano MOY: Leyland Comeback: Thome NL: MVP: Howard Cy Young: Zambrano ROTY: Fielder/ Cain MOY: Girardi Comeback: of the nominees, Beltran
September 27, 200620 yr Carpenter is having a late season swoon once again this season it seems like. 0-2, 7.2 ERA, 1.53 WHIP last two starts.
September 27, 200620 yr Author It's a good argument to have because people are either on that side of the fence or completely not. Me, I don't think a pitcher should ever win the MVP. As far as Morneau goes, I just think out of all the playoff teams, he is the player with the best stats. That's an argument I don't really like that much but I just can't give it to someone who play every 5th day. You could argue with Jeter, and don't get me wrong he's had a helluva season, but I can't see someone winning it with 14 HRs and 96 RBI... but he probably will because of the New York thing. To me, it comes down to Ortiz, Jeter and Morneau. Ortiz has probably had the best season but he's not sniffing the playoffs. Even though I gave Howard my NL MVP award and they might not make the playoffs, he has carried that team to the last week of the playoff hunt, so I think thats a different story. And some will say Mauer is the MVP of the Twins.. but I disagree. He was hitting near .400 when they were 7 games under .500. When Morneau started going crazy, that offense started winning games. A fun argument to have, it can go either way. But I'm set on my AL and NL MVP votes. AL: MVP: Morneau Cy Young: Santana ROTY: Liriano MOY: Leyland Comeback: Thome NL: MVP: Howard Cy Young: Zambrano ROTY: Fielder MOY: Girardi Comeback: of the nominees, Beltran Ya know, I'm not trying to start anything but IMO there are 3 rooks (Uggla, Ramirez, Zimmerman) clearly ahead of him. On a different subject, I saw a writer pick Trevor Hoffman for NL Cy Young, another thing I'm not crazy about.
September 27, 200620 yr Morneau got off to a horrible start this year otherwise his numbers would blow everyone else's out of the water. Mine are: AL MVP: Morneau CY Young: Santana (have a feeling he'll be pitching a lot in the postseason on short rest) ROTY: Verlander MOY: Gardenhire Rolaids: Chris Ray (come on guys 2nd year and like 4 blown saves?) NL MVP: Howard CY Young: Zambrano (16 wins on a team that loses 90+) ROTY: PRINCE MOY: Joe Girardi Rolaids: Takashi Saito AL Comeback: Frank Thomas NL Comeback: Probably Nomar (Edgar Renteria deserves recognition)
September 27, 200620 yr National League: MVP - Ryan Howard CY - Brandon Webb ROY - Dan Uggla or Josh Johnson MOY - Joe Girardi Rolaids - Trevor Hoffman Comeback Player: Joe Borowski? I have no idea. American League: MVP - David Ortiz CY - Johan Santana ROY - Justin Verlander MOY - Jim Leyland Rolaids - No idea. Comeback Player: Frank Thomas
September 27, 200620 yr National League: MVP - Ryan Howard CY - Chris Carpenter ROY - Hanley Ramirez MOY - Joe Girardi American League: MVP - Joe Mauer CY - Johan Santana ROY - Justin Verlander MOY - Jim Leyland
September 27, 200620 yr I dont understand why people are saying Prince Fielder. Uggla has the same amount of homers, more RBI's, and a better BA, if Prince won that would be ridiculous.
September 28, 200620 yr AL: MVP: Morneau Cy Young: Santana ROTY: Liriano MOY: Leyland Comeback: Thome NL: MVP: Howard Cy Young: Zambrano ROTY: Fielder/ Cain MOY: Girardi Comeback: of the nominees, Beltran fielder/cain for ROY are you serious?
September 28, 200620 yr AL: MVP: Morneau Cy Young: Santana ROTY: Liriano MOY: Leyland Comeback: Thome NL: MVP: Howard Cy Young: Zambrano ROTY: Fielder/ Cain MOY: Girardi Comeback: of the nominees, Beltran fielder/cain for ROY are you serious? He's the biggest homer I've ever seen. It's actually quite pathetic. Matt Cain ROY my ass. his idea's are about as far-fetched as reggie abercrombie ROY talk.
September 28, 200620 yr AL: MVP: Morneau Cy Young: Santana ROTY: Liriano MOY: Leyland Comeback: Thome NL: MVP: Howard Cy Young: Zambrano ROTY: Fielder/ Cain MOY: Girardi Comeback: of the nominees, Beltran fielder/cain for ROY are you serious? he is just trolling as usual.....
September 29, 200620 yr Matt Cain had a decent rookie campaign, but seriously come on that's so biased. he had to sneak a giant in there somewhere.
October 1, 200620 yr National League: MVP-Pujols Cy Young-Brandon Webb (I guess, worst award on the board) ROY-Hanley Ramirez MOY-Joe Girardi Rolaids-Hoffman American League: MVP-Derek Jeter Cy Young-Johan Santana ROY-Justin Verlander MOY-Jim Leyland (don't sleep on Ken Macha) Rolaids-BJ Ryan
October 1, 200620 yr I was about to make a strong case for Chris Ray for Rolaids until i saw BJ Ryan's stats. :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:
October 1, 200620 yr National League: MVP - Ryan Howard CY - Carlos Zambrano ROY - Hanley Ramirez / Dan Uggla MOY - Joe Girardi Rolaids - Trevor Hoffman American League: MVP - Johan Santana CY - Johan Santana ROY - Justin Verlander MOY - Jim Leyland Rolaids - Fransisco Rodriguez Comeback Player AL: Frank Thomas Comeback Player NL: Nomar Garciaparra
October 1, 200620 yr National League: MVP-Howard Cy Young-Carpenter i guess ROY-Hanley Ramirez MOY-Joe Girardi Rolaids-Hoffman American League: MVP-Justin Morneau Cy Young-Johan Santana ROY-Justin Verlander MOY-Jim Leyland Rolaids-BJ Ryan
October 1, 200620 yr Add a little heat to an interesting Cy Young debate in the NL. Check out who ESPN's statistical Cy Young picker has listed as the NL's top candidate. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy
October 1, 200620 yr Add a little heat to an interesting Cy Young debate in the NL. Check out who ESPN's statistical Cy Young picker has listed as the NL's top candidate. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy Yeah, but he hasn't done enough as a reliever to win it. To give the Cy Young to a closer he must: 1) Be playing in a year where there is clearly underwhelming, or difficult to differentiate, starting pitching. 2) Break or tie some form of record. 3) Have an ERA below 2. 4) Break the closer's "20 wins...AKA 50 saves." Anything less than that and I don't see anyway it happens. Plus, in the specific case of Wagner, aside from an inferior ERA and save total to another candidate (Hoffman), he (Wagner) just never had that aura around him that sends writers into a frenzy (the bread and butter for a reliever's campaign). He'll get his share of 2nd 3rd and 4th place votes, but the top three, in some order, almost has to be Webb, Carpenter and Oswalt.
October 2, 200620 yr The formula for their Cy Young "Predictor" is skewed toward closers. Last year it picked Mariano to win the AL CY, and it picked Joe Nathan third. The year before that, it picked Gagne to win the NL CY, and it picked Isringhausen second. The actual order was Clemens, RJ, Oswalt, Schmidt. Gagne was 7th.
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