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National League:

MVP - Ryan Howard

CY - Brandon Webb

ROY - Hanley Ramirez

MOY - Joe Girardi

Rolaids - Trevor Hoffman

 

American League:

MVP - Justin Morneau

CY - Johan Santana

ROY - Justin Verlander

MOY - Jim Leyland

Rolaids - Fransisco Rodriguez

 

Comeback Player: Frank Thomas

 

 

Carpenter sure has been pissing away that Cy Young.. and a Pujols/Howard MVP discussion is warranted. I'm sure there will be people in the Ortiz and Jeter for MVP camp.

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National League:

MVP - Ryan Howard

CY - Brandon Webb

ROY - Dan Uggla

MOY - Joe Girardi

Rolaids - Trevor Hoffman

 

American League:

MVP - Justin Morneau

CY - Johan Santana

ROY - Justin Verlander/Francisco Liriano (tie)

MOY - Jim Leyland

Rolaids - Fransisco Rodriguez

 

Comeback Player: Frank Thomas

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National League:

MVP - Ryan Howard

CY - Chris Carpenter

ROY - Dan Uggla

MOY - Joe Girardi

Rolaids - Trevor Hoffman

 

American League:

MVP - Justin Morneau

CY - Johan Santana

ROY - Justin Verlander

MOY - Jim Leyland

Rolaids - Fransisco Rodriguez

 

Comeback Player AL: Frank Thomas

Comeback Player NL: Nomar Garciaparra

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Pitchers have their own award.. someone who plays 20% of the season should NOT be MVP.

 

...especially when a pitcher on his own staff was better than him for a significant chunk of the season.

 

 

When there are so many hitters with similar credentials, and one pitcher who has been so dominant, I think he can win it. I mean, if you think about it, a guy like Morneau only plays 1/9 of the hitting for his team, plus whatever percentage of defensive plays he makes based on the teams total. I'd say he is involved in less than 20% of his team's plays.

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It's a good argument to have because people are either on that side of the fence or completely not. Me, I don't think a pitcher should ever win the MVP.

 

As far as Morneau goes, I just think out of all the playoff teams, he is the player with the best stats. That's an argument I don't really like that much but I just can't give it to someone who play every 5th day.

 

You could argue with Jeter, and don't get me wrong he's had a helluva season, but I can't see someone winning it with 14 HRs and 96 RBI... but he probably will because of the New York thing.

 

To me, it comes down to Ortiz, Jeter and Morneau. Ortiz has probably had the best season but he's not sniffing the playoffs. Even though I gave Howard my NL MVP award and they might not make the playoffs, he has carried that team to the last week of the playoff hunt, so I think thats a different story.

 

And some will say Mauer is the MVP of the Twins.. but I disagree. He was hitting near .400 when they were 7 games under .500. When Morneau started going crazy, that offense started winning games.

 

A fun argument to have, it can go either way. But I'm set on my AL and NL MVP votes.

 

AL:

MVP: Morneau

Cy Young: Santana

ROTY: Liriano

MOY: Leyland

Comeback: Thome

NL:

MVP: Howard

Cy Young: Zambrano

ROTY: Fielder

MOY: Girardi

Comeback: of the nominees, Beltran

 

Ya know, I'm not trying to start anything but IMO there are 3 rooks (Uggla, Ramirez, Zimmerman) clearly ahead of him.

 

 

On a different subject, I saw a writer pick Trevor Hoffman for NL Cy Young, another thing I'm not crazy about.

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Morneau got off to a horrible start this year otherwise his numbers would blow everyone else's out of the water.

 

Mine are:

 

AL

 

MVP: Morneau

CY Young: Santana (have a feeling he'll be pitching a lot in the postseason on short rest)

ROTY: Verlander

MOY: Gardenhire

Rolaids: Chris Ray (come on guys 2nd year and like 4 blown saves?)

 

NL

 

MVP: Howard

CY Young: Zambrano (16 wins on a team that loses 90+)

ROTY: PRINCE

MOY: Joe Girardi

Rolaids: Takashi Saito

 

AL Comeback: Frank Thomas

NL Comeback: Probably Nomar (Edgar Renteria deserves recognition)

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National League:

MVP - Ryan Howard

CY - Brandon Webb

ROY - Dan Uggla or Josh Johnson

MOY - Joe Girardi

Rolaids - Trevor Hoffman

 

Comeback Player: Joe Borowski? I have no idea.

 

American League:

MVP - David Ortiz

CY - Johan Santana

ROY - Justin Verlander

MOY - Jim Leyland

Rolaids - No idea.

 

Comeback Player: Frank Thomas

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AL:

MVP: Morneau

Cy Young: Santana

ROTY: Liriano

MOY: Leyland

Comeback: Thome

NL:

MVP: Howard

Cy Young: Zambrano

ROTY: Fielder/ Cain

MOY: Girardi

Comeback: of the nominees, Beltran

 

fielder/cain for ROY are you serious?

He's the biggest homer I've ever seen. It's actually quite pathetic.

 

Matt Cain ROY my ass.

his idea's are about as far-fetched as reggie abercrombie ROY talk.

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National League:

MVP - Ryan Howard

CY - Carlos Zambrano

ROY - Hanley Ramirez / Dan Uggla

MOY - Joe Girardi

Rolaids - Trevor Hoffman

 

American League:

MVP - Johan Santana

CY - Johan Santana

ROY - Justin Verlander

MOY - Jim Leyland

Rolaids - Fransisco Rodriguez

 

Comeback Player AL: Frank Thomas

Comeback Player NL: Nomar Garciaparra

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Add a little heat to an interesting Cy Young debate in the NL. Check out who ESPN's statistical Cy Young picker has listed as the NL's top candidate.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy

 

 

Yeah, but he hasn't done enough as a reliever to win it.

 

To give the Cy Young to a closer he must:

 

1) Be playing in a year where there is clearly underwhelming, or difficult to differentiate, starting pitching.

 

2) Break or tie some form of record.

 

3) Have an ERA below 2.

 

4) Break the closer's "20 wins...AKA 50 saves."

 

Anything less than that and I don't see anyway it happens. Plus, in the specific case of Wagner, aside from an inferior ERA and save total to another candidate (Hoffman), he (Wagner) just never had that aura around him that sends writers into a frenzy (the bread and butter for a reliever's campaign).

 

He'll get his share of 2nd 3rd and 4th place votes, but the top three, in some order, almost has to be Webb, Carpenter and Oswalt.

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The formula for their Cy Young "Predictor" is skewed toward closers.

 

Last year it picked Mariano to win the AL CY, and it picked Joe Nathan third.

 

The year before that, it picked Gagne to win the NL CY, and it picked Isringhausen second. The actual order was Clemens, RJ, Oswalt, Schmidt. Gagne was 7th.

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