October 3, 200619 yr A combination of us butchering this process so mightily that there was no way to convince any team that he legitimately had a chance of returning and a reluctance on the part of teams to give up a lot for a manager. Agree or disagree, the Marlins felt that Fredi Gonzalez was more valuable than the prospect of getting something for Girardi and not hiring Fredi.
October 3, 200619 yr So, with the Samson claiming that the organization is barely breaking even, he's willing to take on TWO managerial contracts? I think it's just stupid, especially when you're going to have a manager who is just as good, if not having the potential to be worse, than Girardi.
October 3, 200619 yr I suggested in another thread, although I think Swift is right in saying the immediate acquisition of Gonzalez was paramount took precedent over everything else (the rest of course hyperbole), but actually we don't know yet if Girardi is in fact fee as a bird. Common sense would suggest so, but the devil is in the details of their contract.
October 3, 200619 yr has a manager ever been traded for a player? yes, Lou Piniella for Randy Winn and a spect
October 3, 200619 yr They'd have you believe it was to snap Gonzalez up before he could interview with the Nats and Cubs
October 4, 200619 yr Plus, is anyone really sold that any team is that hot after Girardi that they'd give up a player for him?
October 4, 200619 yr Plus, is anyone really sold that any team is that hot after Girardi that they'd give up a player for him? I agree with you, I don't think any team would give up anything substantial for a manager. It's really not an issue.
October 4, 200619 yr Plus, is anyone really sold that any team is that hot after Girardi that they'd give up a player for him? I agree with you, I don't think any team would give up anything substantial for a manager. It's really not an issue. Especially a rookie one whose on the field performance would surely be studied in detail.... What a second. We're talking about the cubs front office. n/m
October 4, 200619 yr has a manager ever been traded for a player? 1967--Mets get Gil Hodges from Senators for P Bill Denehy 1977--Pirates get Chuck Tanner from A's for Manny Sanguillen 2003--Devil Rays get Lou Piniella for Randy Winn And last winter, the Orioles gave up a minor leaguer to get pitching coach Leo Mazzone from the Braves.
October 4, 200619 yr Author Plus, is anyone really sold that any team is that hot after Girardi that they'd give up a player for him? I agree with you, I don't think any team would give up anything substantial for a manager. It's really not an issue. it shouldn't have been for anything substantial... it shoulda just been a somewhat prospect or something, just so we wouldn't have to pay girardi the next two years for nothing.
October 6, 200619 yr has a manager ever been traded for a player? Chuck Tanner for Manny Sanguillen in the early 80's...Thats the most famous trade I know more recently it had happened but can't quite rememeber right now Oh it was 1977! damn I am getting old
October 6, 200619 yr So, with the Samson claiming that the organization is barely breaking even, he's willing to take on TWO managerial contracts? Not really. If Girardi signs a contract as a manager for another team next season, he will not be paid by the Marlins unless the contract is worth less than what the Marlins were paying him. If that's the case, the Marlins will pay the difference. At least that's how I understand it...
October 7, 200619 yr Plus, is anyone really sold that any team is that hot after Girardi that they'd give up a player for him? I think we could have gotten something from the Cubs, nothing significant, but at the same time that deal could have produced a guarantee that we weren't going to have to pay Joe's salary next year.
October 7, 200619 yr Girardi if hired to manage another team, would free the Marlins of his 750,000.00 contract for the next 2 yrs. Swift is 100% right the FO botched this matter so badly there wasn't any way any team would have offered compensation for Joe G in fact the league looked the other way and allowed the Marlins to tamper and negotiate with Fredi while Joe G was still managing the team
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