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Reggie hitting #8 would be worse than him hitting #1. Teams actually give him pitches around the strike zone in the leadoff spot, and that helps him because he swings at some bad pitches he would be seeing hitting 8th.

 

Not that I think he is a great leadoff hitter, but on a day to day basis he is fine.

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

The worst hitter on our team is hitting behind Hermida when BK doesn't pitch. Dude is freakin lost at the plate. Couldn't even hit a guy he has notoriously owned.

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I took the time ( :| ) to do the standard deviations for all 16 NL offenses. This is through yesterday.

 

--Team-- --Standard Deviation-- --Runs Per Game--ATL			   2.94			   4.73CHC			   2.89			   4.62CIN			   3.01			   4.69			 COL			   2.77			   4.19FLA			   2.99			   4.92HOU			   2.8				3.9LAD			   2.83			   4.47MIL			   2.77			   4.54NYM			   2.85			   5.1PHI			   2.78			   5.2PIT			   3.14			   4.25SD				2.6				4.14SF				2.95			   4.38STL			   2.98			   3.65WSH			   2.4				3.67

One run is worth about .025.

 

Top 5

 

PIT

CIN

FLA

STL

SF

 

Those numbers show that through Tuesday, based on runs per game AND standard deviation, we had the 3rd best run scoring team.

 

Through last night we've average 4.92 runs with a 3.04 standard deviation.

 

We've scored 11+ runs 3 times.

 

If in those games we had scored only 5 instaed of 11, 11 and 12 then the average would be 4.56 and the standard deviation would be 2.60. The 2.60 would be tied for the 2nd lowest in the league.

 

I guess some people would prefer if we had scored fewer runs in those 3 games just so we would have a lower standard deviation.

 

I don't get it.

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

The worst hitter on our team is hitting behind Hermida when BK doesn't pitch. Dude is freakin lost at the plate. Couldn't even hit a guy he has notoriously owned.

 

Olivo is 3 times better than Reggie.

 

Reggie has half a season worth of ABs, and he is hovering around the Mendoza line. He had plenty of chances.

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I took the time ( :| ) to do the standard deviations for all 16 NL offenses. This is through yesterday.

 

--Team-- --Standard Deviation-- --Runs Per Game--ATL			   2.94			   4.73CHC			   2.89			   4.62CIN			   3.01			   4.69			 COL			   2.77			   4.19FLA			   2.99			   4.92HOU			   2.8				3.9LAD			   2.83			   4.47MIL			   2.77			   4.54NYM			   2.85			   5.1PHI			   2.78			   5.2PIT			   3.14			   4.25SD				2.6				4.14SF				2.95			   4.38STL			   2.98			   3.65WSH			   2.4				3.67

One run is worth about .025.

 

Top 5

 

PIT

CIN

FLA

STL

SF

 

Those numbers show that through Tuesday, based on runs per game AND standard deviation, we had the 3rd best run scoring team.

 

Through last night we've average 4.92 runs with a 3.04 standard deviation.

 

We've scored 11+ runs 3 times.

 

If in those games we had scored only 5 instaed of 11, 11 and 12 then the average would be 4.56 and the standard deviation would be 2.60. The 2.60 would be tied for the 2nd lowest in the league.

 

I guess some people would prefer if we had scored fewer runs in those 3 games just so we would have a lower standard deviation.

 

I don't get it.

interesting. how many times have the other teams scored 10+ runs?

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

The worst hitter on our team is hitting behind Hermida when BK doesn't pitch. Dude is freakin lost at the plate. Couldn't even hit a guy he has notoriously owned.

 

Olivo is 3 times better than Reggie.

 

Reggie has half a season worth of ABs, and he is hovering around the Mendoza line. He had plenty of chances.

Right now Olivo is worse. He doesn't even look like he belongs in the Major League's during some of his at bats.

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What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

Fredi was on with Boog and these are his reasons for hitting Reggie and Fredo leadoff:

 

- we're trying to win games

- to balance out the lineup

- to put guys in a position they will be successful

 

That's right from Fredi's mouth. I'm glad we're trying to win games.

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A low standard deviation isn't necessary good, as you can always score 1 run and have a deviation of 0. But having a high standard deviation proves that the team is not consistently scoring lots of runs, one day scoring 11, the next 2, for example.

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

The worst hitter on our team is hitting behind Hermida when BK doesn't pitch. Dude is freakin lost at the plate. Couldn't even hit a guy he has notoriously owned.

 

Olivo is 3 times better than Reggie.

 

Reggie has half a season worth of ABs, and he is hovering around the Mendoza line. He had plenty of chances.

Huh?

 

Reggie has 41 at bats. Half a season right now would be about 100.

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

The worst hitter on our team is hitting behind Hermida when BK doesn't pitch. Dude is freakin lost at the plate. Couldn't even hit a guy he has notoriously owned.

 

Olivo is 3 times better than Reggie.

 

Reggie has half a season worth of ABs, and he is hovering around the Mendoza line. He had plenty of chances.

Huh?

 

Reggie has 41 at bats. Half a season right now would be about 100.

 

Career wise he has around 300 ABs, that's what I'm refering to.

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

The worst hitter on our team is hitting behind Hermida when BK doesn't pitch. Dude is freakin lost at the plate. Couldn't even hit a guy he has notoriously owned.

 

Olivo is 3 times better than Reggie.

 

Reggie has half a season worth of ABs, and he is hovering around the Mendoza line. He had plenty of chances.

Huh?

 

Reggie has 41 at bats. Half a season right now would be about 100.

 

Career wise he has around 300 ABs, that's what I'm refering to.

So your going to base him on 300 at bats in his major league career?

 

He looks much better this time around than 2006 (even if Lilly made him look like an idiot last night). He finally hit well in a level higher than single A as well. His defense is vastly improved and besides taking off before Lilly made a move to the plate, his baserunning is vastly improved too.

 

I'd love to have Jacoby Ellsbury out there as much as the next guy, but he ain't walkin through that clubhouse door.

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

The worst hitter on our team is hitting behind Hermida when BK doesn't pitch. Dude is freakin lost at the plate. Couldn't even hit a guy he has notoriously owned.

 

Olivo is 3 times better than Reggie.

 

Reggie has half a season worth of ABs, and he is hovering around the Mendoza line. He had plenty of chances.

Huh?

 

Reggie has 41 at bats. Half a season right now would be about 100.

 

Career wise he has around 300 ABs, that's what I'm refering to.

So your going to base him on 300 at bats in his major league career?

 

He looks much better this time around than 2006 (even if Lilly made him look like an idiot last night). He finally hit well in a level higher than single A as well. His defense is vastly improved and besides taking off before Lilly made a move to the plate, his baserunning is vastly improved too.

 

I'd love to have Jacoby Ellsbury out there as much as the next guy, but he ain't walkin through that clubhouse door.

 

I'm OK giving him more opportunities, especially if he is showing improvement. But why at lead off?

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

The worst hitter on our team is hitting behind Hermida when BK doesn't pitch. Dude is freakin lost at the plate. Couldn't even hit a guy he has notoriously owned.

 

Olivo is 3 times better than Reggie.

 

Reggie has half a season worth of ABs, and he is hovering around the Mendoza line. He had plenty of chances.

Huh?

 

Reggie has 41 at bats. Half a season right now would be about 100.

 

Career wise he has around 300 ABs, that's what I'm refering to.

So your going to base him on 300 at bats in his major league career?

 

He looks much better this time around than 2006 (even if Lilly made him look like an idiot last night). He finally hit well in a level higher than single A as well. His defense is vastly improved and besides taking off before Lilly made a move to the plate, his baserunning is vastly improved too.

 

I'd love to have Jacoby Ellsbury out there as much as the next guy, but he ain't walkin through that clubhouse door.

 

I'm OK giving him more opportunities, especially if he is showing improvement. But why at lead off?

Gives him a better chance to succeed. With Uggla, Hanley, Cabs behind him he has much more protection than the pitcher.

 

That and if you have Olivo 7th, we Reggie 8th and the pitcher 9th, that has all the makings of a black hole.

 

You let him lead off for another 50 at bats and you examine where he is. It looks like that is what is going to happen too, especially if we keep winning.

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

The worst hitter on our team is hitting behind Hermida when BK doesn't pitch. Dude is freakin lost at the plate. Couldn't even hit a guy he has notoriously owned.

 

Olivo is 3 times better than Reggie.

 

Reggie has half a season worth of ABs, and he is hovering around the Mendoza line. He had plenty of chances.

Right now Olivo is worse. He doesn't even look like he belongs in the Major League's during some of his at bats.

 

You're dogging Olivo a series a series after one where he absolutely owned everything he saw? You're way too critical.

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

The worst hitter on our team is hitting behind Hermida when BK doesn't pitch. Dude is freakin lost at the plate. Couldn't even hit a guy he has notoriously owned.

 

Olivo is 3 times better than Reggie.

 

Reggie has half a season worth of ABs, and he is hovering around the Mendoza line. He had plenty of chances.

Huh?

 

Reggie has 41 at bats. Half a season right now would be about 100.

 

Career wise he has around 300 ABs, that's what I'm refering to.

So your going to base him on 300 at bats in his major league career?

 

He looks much better this time around than 2006 (even if Lilly made him look like an idiot last night). He finally hit well in a level higher than single A as well. His defense is vastly improved and besides taking off before Lilly made a move to the plate, his baserunning is vastly improved too.

 

I'd love to have Jacoby Ellsbury out there as much as the next guy, but he ain't walkin through that clubhouse door.

 

Actually his baserunning never was a real problem. I can only remember one that was glaring. When he lolly gagged going around 2nd on that play that Hanley slid safely into home when he should have actually been out. As is normal around here, he got an exaggerrated bashing for that. But I also remember last year he reached home on an IF hit where his speed and aggressiveness caused a couple errors on the play. Kind of an inside the park-infield home run, so to speak.

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Hate all you want, but he got on base twice tonight

 

The first time was because Lilly did a bad job on defense and didn't run to the bag.

 

The second time, he was likely hit on purpose because the Marlins were running up the score.

 

He has a .286 OBP in the lead off spot this year, including tonight's game.

he still got on base twice

 

What is the point of giving the most ABs to the worst hitter on the team?

The worst hitter on our team is hitting behind Hermida when BK doesn't pitch. Dude is freakin lost at the plate. Couldn't even hit a guy he has notoriously owned.

 

Olivo is 3 times better than Reggie.

 

Reggie has half a season worth of ABs, and he is hovering around the Mendoza line. He had plenty of chances.

Right now Olivo is worse. He doesn't even look like he belongs in the Major League's during some of his at bats.

 

You're dogging Olivo a series a series after one where he absolutely owned everything he saw? You're way too critical.

One good series and you're ready to call the guy a good hitter? :rolleyes:

 

He's not a major league starter.

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