On Fredi not moving his family, I don't see that as a test of his loyalty or commitment. It may say something about the uncertainty surrounding the franchise's location in the future. I would think as a parent his primary consideration is keeping his school age children in a stable environment. You don't want to move kids that age around from the place they're comfortable in, and move them to a new location that may not be permanent, and then face moving them again in the next few years. It's speculation though. Even if the Marlins future location was secured here 100%, he and his wife probably feel it's best to keep their children within the location thay they are presently in.

 

His grandparents, cousins and Aunts and Unlces for the children all live in the Miami area. Yeah....better to keep them 800 miles from the family....and 800 miles from their father 8 months of the year. We all know that's best for the children.

 

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I don't know, maybe because his family is accustomed to where they live and don't want to move?

 

It's not like it's uncommon...inface it's probably more common then someone who makes their family move with them.

 

Would be best to look for conspiracy theories elsewhere

 

Not a consiracy theory, just a plain fact bro. I think it looks bad. It also says something about the future. Perhaps he was told by management, "we want you for the longterm, but don't move your family to So Fla, because we won't be there for long". I would like to hear him address this issue....it would be interesting to hear his explaination.

Five posts in a row must be some sort of record. And here you agree with what I mentioned as a possibility, and then in your next post you disagree. You're all over the place. And as for how best to deal with children, are you a parent, or a children?

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The whole thing is not a big deal anyway.

On Fredi not moving his family, I don't see that as a test of his loyalty or commitment. It may say something about the uncertainty surrounding the franchise's location in the future. I would think as a parent his primary consideration is keeping his school age children in a stable environment. You don't want to move kids that age around from the place they're comfortable in, and move them to a new location that may not be permanent, and then face moving them again in the next few years. It's speculation though. Even if the Marlins future location was secured here 100%, he and his wife probably feel it's best to keep their children within the location thay they are presently in.

 

His grandparents, cousins and Aunts and Unlces for the children all live in the Miami area. Yeah....better to keep them 800 miles from the family....and 800 miles from their father 8 months of the year. We all know that's best for the children.

 

:whistle

 

 

OK, I know you think you can just assume what is best for kids and what children want, but you are WAY off. If you're a child and youve grown up in a certain area with other kids that youve gotten to know, you want to stay there. Do you really think children would rather be around their aunts and uncles or their friends theyve grown up with? If you want a child to maybe grow up and be half normal, youd rather them hang out with friends and not move them to a town where they know nobody so they can hang out with their 70 year old grandparents all the time. Great theory though, its gotta be right, because you found a way to ignore so many important factors and point out one small, less important fact.

OK, I know you think you can just assume what is best for kids and what children want, but you are WAY off. If you're a child and youve grown up in a certain area with other kids that youve gotten to know, you want to stay there. Do you really think children would rather be around their aunts and uncles or their friends theyve grown up with? If you want a child to maybe grow up and be half normal, youd rather them hang out with friends and not move them to a town where they know nobody so they can hang out with their 70 year old grandparents all the time. Great theory though, its gotta be right, because you found a way to ignore so many important factors and point out one small, less important fact.

 

As we all know a childs peers are the best influence for them We all know those nasty grandparents that try to get their grandchildren to do drugs & other things right ?

 

Dude, if I needed to move for my job....the children would be told to move and too bad if they don't like it. Coddling your child is worse than anything you can do. The real world doesn't work that way. You'll never convince me that his blood family would be worse influences on the kids than their peers in Atlanta. That is just ridiculous.

 

You're just trying to justify Freddi's seemingly strange family situation.

 

I believe this is something that should be asked of him. Its unfortunate he doesn't have a live local call-in show on radio, or trust me I would call and ask why.

Uggla is a better actor than Olsen.

OK, I know you think you can just assume what is best for kids and what children want, but you are WAY off. If you're a child and youve grown up in a certain area with other kids that youve gotten to know, you want to stay there. Do you really think children would rather be around their aunts and uncles or their friends theyve grown up with? If you want a child to maybe grow up and be half normal, youd rather them hang out with friends and not move them to a town where they know nobody so they can hang out with their 70 year old grandparents all the time. Great theory though, its gotta be right, because you found a way to ignore so many important factors and point out one small, less important fact.

 

As we all know a childs peers are the best influence for them We all know those nasty grandparents that try to get their grandchildren to do drugs & other things right ?

 

Dude, if I needed to move for my job....the children would be told to move and too bad if they don't like it. Coddling your child is worse than anything you can do. The real world doesn't work that way. You'll never convince me that his blood family would be worse influences on the kids than their peers in Atlanta. That is just ridiculous.

 

You're just trying to justify Freddi's seemingly strange family situation.

 

I believe this is something that should be asked of him. Its unfortunate he doesn't have a live local call-in show on radio, or trust me I would call and ask why.

 

 

I dont see it as strange at all. You can talk about "coddling" either way to fit either argument. Taking them to Miami just because daddy and the grandparents are there could be considered coddling as well. Im not saying his blood family would be a worse influence. Im saying if you move the kids, they have to adjust to an entirely new situation and surroundings (yep, that could be coddling too, i know) but Id argue its better for the kids to stay where they are (theyve still got mommy) and keep learning on their own without being coddled by the entire family in Miami. By the way, just looked at what I originally wrote and I dont see where I tried to convince you that his blood family would be worse influences. I know its the thing to do on a message board to change arguments/start a new one that fits what you believe, so Ill assume thats what you were doing rather than simply misunderstanding. Just saying, let a kid hang out with his grandparents, aunts and uncles all the time and when its time to grow up, go to college and the like, that kid wont know how to fit in. Let them keep living their life. You are just looking way too far into this. Fredi didnt get his first MLB managing job and decide to keep his kids away so he can get out of this job as quickly as possible. It is HIS family, he can have his family where he wants, who cares.

I dont see it as strange at all. You can talk about "coddling" either way to fit either argument. Taking them to Miami just because daddy and the grandparents are there could be considered coddling as well. Im not saying his blood family would be a worse influence. Im saying if you move the kids, they have to adjust to an entirely new situation and surroundings (yep, that could be coddling too, i know) but Id argue its better for the kids to stay where they are (theyve still got mommy) and keep learning on their own without being coddled by the entire family in Miami. By the way, just looked at what I originally wrote and I dont see where I tried to convince you that his blood family would be worse influences. I know its the thing to do on a message board to change arguments/start a new one that fits what you believe, so Ill assume thats what you were doing rather than simply misunderstanding. Just saying, let a kid hang out with his grandparents, aunts and uncles all the time and when its time to grow up, go to college and the like, that kid wont know how to fit in. Let them keep living their life. You are just looking way too far into this. Fredi didnt get his first MLB managing job and decide to keep his kids away so he can get out of this job as quickly as possible. It is HIS family, he can have his family where he wants, who cares.

 

I guess what I am trying to say for the most part is his intentions should be made clear.......a) is he planning on leaving if Cox retired say after this season ? b) has management told him not to move the kids just yet because they plan on moving the team or being contracted.

 

Other than those reasons its just strange to live apart from your children for 9 months of the year. I am so wary of Loria I'd rather believe the (b) than the (a). Children will have new friends if they move. My parents moved when I was 11 and it was not a big deal....Girardi, Saban, Cameron, Shula, etc etc etc, have all moved their families, but Freddi doesn't. There is more to that story than is being told. And I am convinced it has to do with the future of the franchise more than he doesn't want to move his kids because they'll lose a few friends, and that is WHY I CARE.

I dont see it as strange at all. You can talk about "coddling" either way to fit either argument. Taking them to Miami just because daddy and the grandparents are there could be considered coddling as well. Im not saying his blood family would be a worse influence. Im saying if you move the kids, they have to adjust to an entirely new situation and surroundings (yep, that could be coddling too, i know) but Id argue its better for the kids to stay where they are (theyve still got mommy) and keep learning on their own without being coddled by the entire family in Miami. By the way, just looked at what I originally wrote and I dont see where I tried to convince you that his blood family would be worse influences. I know its the thing to do on a message board to change arguments/start a new one that fits what you believe, so Ill assume thats what you were doing rather than simply misunderstanding. Just saying, let a kid hang out with his grandparents, aunts and uncles all the time and when its time to grow up, go to college and the like, that kid wont know how to fit in. Let them keep living their life. You are just looking way too far into this. Fredi didnt get his first MLB managing job and decide to keep his kids away so he can get out of this job as quickly as possible. It is HIS family, he can have his family where he wants, who cares.

 

I guess what I am trying to say for the most part is his intentions should be made clear.......a) is he planning on leaving if Cox retired say after this season ? b) has management told him not to move the kids just yet because they plan on moving the team or being contracted.

 

Other than those reasons its just strange to live apart from your children for 9 months of the year. I am so wary of Loria I'd rather believe the (b) than the (a). Children will have new friends if they move. My parents moved when I was 11 and it was not a big deal....Girardi, Saban, Cameron, Shula, etc etc etc, have all moved their families, but Freddi doesn't. There is more to that story than is being told. And I am convinced it has to do with the future of the franchise more than he doesn't want to move his kids because they'll lose a few friends.

 

I dont think there is more to the story that is being told and I dont really think there is even a story at all, or at least it shouldnt be. For a) you can't be so sure the Braves would plan on having Fredi if Cox left at the end of the year and b) the team will be here long enough that he wouldnt be taking his family down here for this season or even two seasons before having to follow the team elsewhere. Even with his kids here, hed be away half the time, certainly thats better than all the time, but thats life in baseball. Like I said, I dont think this is a story at all.

Fredi Gonzalez doesn't have to explain why his family lives in Atlanta while he lives here for 81 games during the regular season. His job is nothing like a job that most of us have on this board. Even if his family did live here- he would not see them on a regular basis during the course of the season. And his kids have grown up in a completely different environment than what Miami is. I honestly wouldn't want my children attending school in a place like Miami if given the choice. Who knows what his reasons are for not wanting to live down here with them, and why does it matter?

 

With all of the things wrong with this franchise, it baffles me that it is even a topic of mild discussion as to where Fredi Gonzalez chooses to keep residence. Who the f*ck cares! If he wants to live in Madagascar in the off season, let him. It doesn't say ANYTHING about the future of this franchise. What does say something is the fact that when our good young talent reaches their arby year all at once- we will have ANOTHER fire sale, and about 6 people in the stands every night. This team is in trouble as long as Loria is at the helm. That abrasive little s*it that he sends out to be the ambassador for our new stadium push really doesn't help matters either. Fredi Gonzalez' wife's address means NOTHING. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Uggla is a better actor than Olsen.

 

lol i thin they are both horrible actors but very funny commercial

On Fredi not moving his family, I don't see that as a test of his loyalty or commitment. It may say something about the uncertainty surrounding the franchise's location in the future. I would think as a parent his primary consideration is keeping his school age children in a stable environment. You don't want to move kids that age around from the place they're comfortable in, and move them to a new location that may not be permanent, and then face moving them again in the next few years. It's speculation though. Even if the Marlins future location was secured here 100%, he and his wife probably feel it's best to keep their children within the location thay they are presently in.

 

His grandparents, cousins and Aunts and Unlces for the children all live in the Miami area. Yeah....better to keep them 800 miles from the family....and 800 miles from their father 8 months of the year. We all know that's best for the children.

 

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The fact that you would even give this serious thought denotes that you are a tremendous troll and that I hate you.

The fact that you would even give this serious thought denotes that you are a tremendous troll and that I hate you.

 

I'll certainly keep that in mind when I make out my Christmas Card list this year

Fredi Gonzalez doesn't have to explain why his family lives in Atlanta while he lives here for 81 games during the regular season. His job is nothing like a job that most of us have on this board. Even if his family did live here- he would not see them on a regular basis during the course of the season. And his kids have grown up in a completely different environment than what Miami is. I honestly wouldn't want my children attending school in a place like Miami if given the choice. Who knows what his reasons are for not wanting to live down here with them, and why does it matter?

 

With all of the things wrong with this franchise, it baffles me that it is even a topic of mild discussion as to where Fredi Gonzalez chooses to keep residence. Who the f*ck cares! If he wants to live in Madagascar in the off season, let him. It doesn't say ANYTHING about the future of this franchise. What does say something is the fact that when our good young talent reaches their arby year all at once- we will have ANOTHER fire sale, and about 6 people in the stands every night. This team is in trouble as long as Loria is at the helm. That abrasive little s*it that he sends out to be the ambassador for our new stadium push really doesn't help matters either. Fredi Gonzalez' wife's address means NOTHING. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

 

I quite disagree, a man should want to be around his family as much as possible. Personally I don't understand it....I would never make that choice myself. As for the schools, certainly Freddi makes enough so he could afford the best of a prep-school education for his kids. Since when has the child of an athlete, coach or celebrity of any magnitude attended a public school ?

 

But your last paragraph is the meat & potatoes of the problem with this franchise, and it all comes down to Loria :banghead Plain and simple he should not be an owner in MLB and Bud Selig is just as much to blame as anyone that Loria is here right now.

I dont see it as strange at all. You can talk about "coddling" either way to fit either argument. Taking them to Miami just because daddy and the grandparents are there could be considered coddling as well. Im not saying his blood family would be a worse influence. Im saying if you move the kids, they have to adjust to an entirely new situation and surroundings (yep, that could be coddling too, i know) but Id argue its better for the kids to stay where they are (theyve still got mommy) and keep learning on their own without being coddled by the entire family in Miami. By the way, just looked at what I originally wrote and I dont see where I tried to convince you that his blood family would be worse influences. I know its the thing to do on a message board to change arguments/start a new one that fits what you believe, so Ill assume thats what you were doing rather than simply misunderstanding. Just saying, let a kid hang out with his grandparents, aunts and uncles all the time and when its time to grow up, go to college and the like, that kid wont know how to fit in. Let them keep living their life. You are just looking way too far into this. Fredi didnt get his first MLB managing job and decide to keep his kids away so he can get out of this job as quickly as possible. It is HIS family, he can have his family where he wants, who cares.

 

I guess what I am trying to say for the most part is his intentions should be made clear.......a) is he planning on leaving if Cox retired say after this season ? b) has management told him not to move the kids just yet because they plan on moving the team or being contracted.

 

Other than those reasons its just strange to live apart from your children for 9 months of the year. I am so wary of Loria I'd rather believe the (b) than the (a). Children will have new friends if they move. My parents moved when I was 11 and it was not a big deal....Girardi, Saban, Cameron, Shula, etc etc etc, have all moved their families, but Freddi doesn't. There is more to that story than is being told. And I am convinced it has to do with the future of the franchise more than he doesn't want to move his kids because they'll lose a few friends.

 

I dont think there is more to the story that is being told and I dont really think there is even a story at all, or at least it shouldnt be. For a) you can't be so sure the Braves would plan on having Fredi if Cox left at the end of the year and b) the team will be here long enough that he wouldnt be taking his family down here for this season or even two seasons before having to follow the team elsewhere. Even with his kids here, hed be away half the time, certainly thats better than all the time, but thats life in baseball. Like I said, I dont think this is a story at all.

 

Good points. Now how about one other added.

 

c.) who says the family isn't flying down here to his folks, his wife's folks, or his place every chance they get when we have home games?? Is there someone here checking all the local airports before and after home series to see if the Fredi family is traveling??

Fredi knows the Miami area and it's school system. He now knows the Atlanta area and it's school system. He opts to keep his own family roots in the Atlanta area. That is the choice of him and his wife. The rest of you can be insulted by it all you want.

c.) who says the family isn't flying down here to his folks, his wife's folks, or his place every chance they get when we have home games?? Is there someone here checking all the local airports before and after home series to see if the Fredi family is traveling??

Fredi knows the Miami area and it's school system. He now knows the Atlanta area and it's school system. He opts to keep his own family roots in the Atlanta area. That is the choice of him and his wife. The rest of you can be insulted by it all you want.

 

Again I will reiterate, since when does a public figure like a coach send their kids to a public school ? I would rather doubt they are in public school in Atlanta and they wouldn't be here either. That's a non-sequiter.

 

I still say its because of the instability of the franchise and Loria/Samson have given Fredi enough reason to not move his family.

Also I may add, that any neighborhood that Fredi would live in, given his income, would mean his kids would be going to some of the better schools in Miami/Ft Lauderdale, and not some inner-city sh*t-hole.

c.) who says the family isn't flying down here to his folks, his wife's folks, or his place every chance they get when we have home games?? Is there someone here checking all the local airports before and after home series to see if the Fredi family is traveling??

Fredi knows the Miami area and it's school system. He now knows the Atlanta area and it's school system. He opts to keep his own family roots in the Atlanta area. That is the choice of him and his wife. The rest of you can be insulted by it all you want.

 

Again I will reiterate, since when does a public figure like a coach send their kids to a public school ? I would rather doubt they are in public school in Atlanta and they wouldn't be here either. That's a non-sequiter.

 

I still say its because of the instability of the franchise and Loria/Samson have given Fredi enough reason to not move his family.

I believe Ozzie Guillen's kid(s) went to public school.

 

You are reaching way too far here with this Fredi nonsense.

You are reaching way too far here with this Fredi nonsense.

 

Yeah this thread should just die

You are reaching way too far here with this Fredi nonsense.

 

I just hate Loria so much I want it to be true, just so I can hate him more.

I just hate Loria so much I want it to be true, just so I can hate him more.

 

Huh?

I just hate Loria so much I want it to be true, just so I can hate him more.

 

Huh?

 

I thought we were talking about Fredi

I just hate Loria so much I want it to be true, just so I can hate him more.

 

Huh?

 

I thought we were talking about Fredi

 

Not really....its more about what I really think is the bottom of what is going on. If Freddi is leaving his kids & wife in Atlanta for no reason, then I think that is just plain irresponsible. But more likely I believe Loria has told him not to bother moving the family yet, because he doesn't plan to be spending more than 2 years here. He will have us playing games between Mexico City, San Juan and maybe a few home games in San Antonio or Las Vegas by then, because he plans on moving the team. Can you explain any other reason why there is ZERO movement in the stadium issue ? Clearly Loria is stalling for enough time to either move or contract the team. They don't have enough time now to build a stadium before the Marlins have to be out for the start of the 2010 season. It will take 3 full years to build it.

I just hate Loria so much I want it to be true, just so I can hate him more.

 

Huh?

 

I thought we were talking about Fredi

 

Not really....its more about what I really think is the bottom of what is going on. If Freddi is leaving his kids & wife in Atlanta for no reason, then I think that is just plain irresponsible. But more likely I believe Loria has told him not to bother moving the family yet, because he doesn't plan to be spending more than 2 years here. He will have us playing games between Mexico City, San Juan and maybe a few home games in San Antonio or Las Vegas by then, because he plans on moving the team. Can you explain any other reason why there is ZERO movement in the stadium issue ? Clearly Loria is stalling for enough time to either move or contract the team. They don't have enough time now to build a stadium before the Marlins have to be out for the start of the 2010 season. It will take 3 full years to build it.

How old are Fredi's kids? It ain't fun leaving all your friends to go somewhere new.

 

anyway, this has nothing to do with Loria and all to do with Fredi's family being comfortable in Atlanta

I think you made about 10 posts in this ridiculous thread before you mentioned the stadium uncertainty issue, which you picked up on from one of my posts. So this is not the reason you brought up this whole issue to begin with. You've gone from here to there, and many other posters have called you out for your frankly ridiculous thoughts. Yes, the stadium situation is uncertain. But no, there is no way that Loria told Fredi "hold on there buddy". Even Loria doesn't know what's going to happen. Fredi knows as much about the stadium situation as this board does. And what Fredi knows is what we know, that it's uncertain. Just drop this thread about where Fredi's family lives if you're using it to Loria bash. You'll just have to wait for the monthly Loria bash thread. They come along as regular as a woman's period.

I just hate Loria so much I want it to be true, just so I can hate him more.

 

Huh?

At times, I think that Loria quote sums up what half this board has in mind when they post on things.