i just think its funny how if someone doesnt like hermida, that person is automatically a retard, a potato, both or a french fry...its amazing how much censoring of ideas goes on this board and it doesnt even come from the moderators

There's no censoring JimmyJack. You can say whatever you want. Personally I've said before the 06 season that I'd give all the players 2 years before I judged them. We still have 1/2 a year, but so far I'm not impressed with Hermida. His defense stinks badly this year. His offense had great potential 1 1/2 years ago, and it still has the same great potential. At some point you have to give up potential and hope a change of scenery does him good, but for now, as we don't have anyone that's waiting in the wings, I'd say let's see what he does in the second half.

i just think its funny how if someone doesnt like hermida, that person is automatically a retard, a potato, both or a french fry...its amazing how much censoring of ideas goes on this board and it doesnt even come from the moderators

There's no censoring JimmyJack. You can say whatever you want. Personally I've said before the 06 season that I'd give all the players 2 years before I judged them. We still have 1/2 a year, but so far I'm not impressed with Hermida. His defense stinks badly this year. His offense had great potential 1 1/2 years ago, and it still has the same great potential. At some point you have to give up potential and hope a change of scenery does him good, but for now, as we don't have anyone that's waiting in the wings, I'd say let's see what he does in the second half.

 

 

What 1 and half years of MLB at bats are you referring to???

Does Joe Borchard still have great potential?

i just think its funny how if someone doesnt like hermida, that person is automatically a retard, a potato, both or a french fry...its amazing how much censoring of ideas goes on this board and it doesnt even come from the moderators

There's no censoring JimmyJack. You can say whatever you want. Personally I've said before the 06 season that I'd give all the players 2 years before I judged them. We still have 1/2 a year, but so far I'm not impressed with Hermida. His defense stinks badly this year. His offense had great potential 1 1/2 years ago, and it still has the same great potential. At some point you have to give up potential and hope a change of scenery does him good, but for now, as we don't have anyone that's waiting in the wings, I'd say let's see what he does in the second half.

 

 

What 1 and half years of MLB at bats are you referring to???

 

The ones that he would have if bruised kneecap-type injuries didn't keep him out 2 months.

If I remember correctly there were some that thought Cabs should be sent back down a month or two after he came up...we as fans are just impatient I guess...

 

Every player will go through their growing pains. Some more than others, but Hermida will be just fine I think. He isn't blocking anyone. So let him work it out this year and if he's still playing this way July 2008 then maybe you can worry. . He obviously has the talent. Great plate vision and a good swing. Granted his defense leaves something to be desired but in time his bat will make up for it.

i just think its funny how if someone doesnt like hermida, that person is automatically a retard, a potato, both or a french fry...its amazing how much censoring of ideas goes on this board and it doesnt even come from the moderators

There's no censoring JimmyJack. You can say whatever you want. Personally I've said before the 06 season that I'd give all the players 2 years before I judged them. We still have 1/2 a year, but so far I'm not impressed with Hermida. His defense stinks badly this year. His offense had great potential 1 1/2 years ago, and it still has the same great potential. At some point you have to give up potential and hope a change of scenery does him good, but for now, as we don't have anyone that's waiting in the wings, I'd say let's see what he does in the second half.

 

 

What 1 and half years of MLB at bats are you referring to???

 

The ones that he would have if bruised kneecap-type injuries didn't keep him out 2 months.

 

 

Yea, thats true. He's a flop bc he got injured. :thumbup

i just think its funny how if someone doesnt like hermida, that person is automatically a retard, a potato, both or a french fry...its amazing how much censoring of ideas goes on this board and it doesnt even come from the moderators

 

I want you to put the bong down for a minute and realize that you posted on a public forum, that can be read world-wide, with no alteration of your statement. Then I want you to try to explain why you think you have been censored? Pointing out that you are a retard, potato, french fry, or jackass would be even close to censorship?

i just think its funny how if someone doesnt like hermida, that person is automatically a retard, a potato, both or a french fry...its amazing how much censoring of ideas goes on this board and it doesnt even come from the moderators

 

I want you to put the bong down for a minute and realize that you posted on a public forum, that can be read world-wide, with no alteration of your statement. Then I want you to try to explain why you think you have been censored? Pointing out that you are a retard, potato, french fry, or jackass would be even close to censorship?

 

:weed

I wouldn't call him a flop, but nor would I be as optimistic as many of you seem to be. To date, which is a decent sample size, he's been injury-prone, below average in the field, less powerful than you would hope for from a corner outfielder, and patient to a fault. It's obviously too early to say he's a flop, but he hasn't shown a lot to be excited about thus far...and in most cases that doesn't bode well for the future.

Trading hermida doesnt make any sense, in any way.

I wouldn't call him a flop, but nor would I be as optimistic as many of you seem to be. To date, which is a decent sample size, he's been injury-prone, below average in the field, less powerful than you would hope for from a corner outfielder, and patient to a fault. It's obviously too early to say he's a flop, but he hasn't shown a lot to be excited about thus far...and in most cases that doesn't bode well for the future.

Perfect sum up of Hermida.

I wouldn't call him a flop, but nor would I be as optimistic as many of you seem to be. To date, which is a decent sample size, he's been injury-prone, below average in the field, less powerful than you would hope for from a corner outfielder, and patient to a fault. It's obviously too early to say he's a flop, but he hasn't shown a lot to be excited about thus far...and in most cases that doesn't bode well for the future.

except for the fact that even while struggling, he is posting (just about) league average OPS

I wouldn't call him a flop, but nor would I be as optimistic as many of you seem to be. To date, which is a decent sample size, he's been injury-prone, below average in the field, less powerful than you would hope for from a corner outfielder, and patient to a fault. It's obviously too early to say he's a flop, but he hasn't shown a lot to be excited about thus far...and in most cases that doesn't bode well for the future.

 

except for the fact that even while struggling, he is posting (just about) league average OPS

 

Is what we have seen so far Hermida struggling or is it Hermida? I think that's the major question.

 

Regarding his OPS - are you arguing that he has been just about average? I'm not sure you would find many who would agree with you if that's the position you are taking based upon that statistic. I think, more than anything, your statement shows how looking at one statistic to draw a conclusion can lead to deceiving results.

I wouldn't call him a flop, but nor would I be as optimistic as many of you seem to be. To date, which is a decent sample size, he's been injury-prone, below average in the field, less powerful than you would hope for from a corner outfielder, and patient to a fault. It's obviously too early to say he's a flop, but he hasn't shown a lot to be excited about thus far...and in most cases that doesn't bode well for the future.

except for the fact that even while struggling, he is posting (just about) league average OPS

Why don't you compare him to other corner OFs? I mean that's the position he plays. The comparisons to league averages that include pitchers, catchers and middle infielders are meaningless and stupid.

kid is 23 years old, one of the best prospects in baseball, and has all of 500 at bats to his name... just 500

 

give him time.

 

like some have said, not everyone is a Hanley or Cabrera in their first 500 at bats

Unfortunately, neither is everyone Derrek Lee. I think you could use the "everyone's not Hanley/Cabrera" argument last year, but it's starting to lose its effectiveness. Sure most don't excel right away, but neither do most "elite" prospects take more than a year or two to exhibit any traits that would lead yuo to believe they belong in the majors. In other words, he's behind the curve as of right now. Sure Derrek Lee took forever to come around, but for every Derrek Lee there are five Joe Borchards.

Unfortunately, neither is everyone Derrek Lee. I think you could use the "everyone's not Hanley/Cabrera" argument last year, but it's starting to lose its effectiveness. Sure most don't excel right away, but neither do most "elite" prospects take more than a year or two to exhibit any traits that would lead yuo to believe they belong in the majors. In other words, he's behind the curve as of right now. Sure Derrek Lee took forever to come around, but for every Derrek Lee there are five Joe Borchards.

Joe Borchard (and I realize what you are getting at) could never hold Hermida's jock in the minors.

 

And besides that, again he is 23. Need to give him more than 500 at bats. I can't really argue with some of you if you don't think he's got the talent or will have enough success to be an All Star. But you'll be proven wrong in time. :cool

 

And another thing, Derrek Lee had a .875ops at age 24... not sure why everyone believes it took Derrek forever to become pretty damn good

i just think its funny how if someone doesnt like hermida, that person is automatically a retard, a potato, both or a french fry...its amazing how much censoring of ideas goes on this board and it doesnt even come from the moderators

There's no censoring JimmyJack. You can say whatever you want. Personally I've said before the 06 season that I'd give all the players 2 years before I judged them. We still have 1/2 a year, but so far I'm not impressed with Hermida. His defense stinks badly this year. His offense had great potential 1 1/2 years ago, and it still has the same great potential. At some point you have to give up potential and hope a change of scenery does him good, but for now, as we don't have anyone that's waiting in the wings, I'd say let's see what he does in the second half.

there is plenty of censoring from the .ops masters of the universe...ya know...the people in this thread who yawn at people posts(because thats really mature), call people retards or f**kin idiots all because they are calling out a player who isnt showing his potential...the don was right...this is where some of the biggest ego's go to spout off their "knowledge"' because they took a statistics class or they try see something in a player that just isnt there...now...with all that said...i do agree that hermida shouldnt be run outta town or demoted or anything as rash as that would be...but if the second half comes and goes and he isnt hitting any better than .235-.245...we should seriously consider looking for help...sorry that offends the hermida nut huggery society...but when a player isnt producing...then some kind of adjustment needs to be made...

i just think its funny how if someone doesnt like hermida, that person is automatically a retard, a potato, both or a french fry...its amazing how much censoring of ideas goes on this board and it doesnt even come from the moderators

 

I want you to put the bong down for a minute and realize that you posted on a public forum, that can be read world-wide, with no alteration of your statement. Then I want you to try to explain why you think you have been censored? Pointing out that you are a retard, potato, french fry, or jackass would be even close to censorship?

im sorry...you must have not understood my point...the hermida lovers feel it needed to bash anyone that thinks differently of him...and to me...that is censorship...to make a mockery of what other people think and say just because it differs from their own opinion...but hey...you know EVERYTHING...so please continue my lord and savior

he's 23, and has 505 at bats to his name

 

you guys need to chill out and be a bit more patient

i just think its funny how if someone doesnt like hermida, that person is automatically a retard, a potato, both or a french fry...its amazing how much censoring of ideas goes on this board and it doesnt even come from the moderators

 

I want you to put the bong down for a minute and realize that you posted on a public forum, that can be read world-wide, with no alteration of your statement. Then I want you to try to explain why you think you have been censored? Pointing out that you are a retard, potato, french fry, or jackass would be even close to censorship?

 

:weed

another brilliant addition...does jeremy make you spit or swallow?

i just think its funny how if someone doesnt like hermida, that person is automatically a retard, a potato, both or a french fry...its amazing how much censoring of ideas goes on this board and it doesnt even come from the moderators

 

I want you to put the bong down for a minute and realize that you posted on a public forum, that can be read world-wide, with no alteration of your statement. Then I want you to try to explain why you think you have been censored? Pointing out that you are a retard, potato, french fry, or jackass would be even close to censorship?

 

:weed

another brilliant addition...does jeremy make you spit or swallow?

 

 

PEACE not WAR bro :rasta

Unfortunately, neither is everyone Derrek Lee. I think you could use the "everyone's not Hanley/Cabrera" argument last year, but it's starting to lose its effectiveness. Sure most don't excel right away, but neither do most "elite" prospects take more than a year or two to exhibit any traits that would lead yuo to believe they belong in the majors. In other words, he's behind the curve as of right now. Sure Derrek Lee took forever to come around, but for every Derrek Lee there are five Joe Borchards.

 

Actually, if you look at it, most top prospects take the Derrek Lee rout more often than they take the Miguel Cabrera route or even the Joe Borchard route. If a guy is a top prospect and is killing double A at a young age, more often than not he's going to be a good major league player. It just may take a few years to get there.

 

Do you guys think Devil Rays are calling for Delmon Young to be sent down? Hermida's actually having a better year than him.

How about BJ Upton? Two years into his career he could have been called a bust. Now he's playing to his potential.

David Ortiz didn't start producing until the 5th year of his career. Now he's one of the 5 most dominant offensive forces in the game.

 

What you see isn't what you get when a player is 23. It takes some time.

It's good to know Jeremy Hermida who appears to be headed south of the Mendoza Line any minute now and who has hit .156 in his last ten games is now being compared to David Ortiz. And to BJ Upton who is on the DL. And no, Delmon Young is not having a worse year than JH, not unless you think Hermida's .219/.309/.406 line is better than Young's .285/.335/.445 line. Do you?

 

And if you think the Marlins are prepared to wait five years for Hermida to come into his own you have to see the folly in that line of thinking. For everyone complaining about Amezaga, Olivo and Treanor and how awful they are they're all playing better baseball and putting up better stats than Hermida. He's the blackhole in the lineup not the other guys.

 

That said I still think the kid has potential to be an everyday major leaguer. He could start by taking his defense more seriously which one would think is the easiest area of his game to improve and if he did I for one would be much more forgiving of his offensive woes which I think at this point are more mental than anything. As the topic suggests he may need a new start somewhere else but I'd still like to see what he can after he hits rock-bottom and has a chance in the second half to redeem himself.

And no, Delmon Young is not having a worse year than JH, not unless you think Hermida's .219/.309/.406 line is better than Young's .285/.335/.445 line. Do you?

 

I'm not sure where you got your stats from, but Young is hitting .271/.301/.405. So Young has less OBP and SLG, though he does have a signficant advantage in AVG...but, I don't think this board needs yet another "AVG sucks" debate going on.

 

And as I said before, Hermida's BABIP is doing poorly, which shows he has been unlucky.

 

I mean, you look at the home/away splits, what this original thread was about, and you're looking at the difference between a normal/slightly above average babip (.328) when he's been away (to go along with a .862 OPS) and a horrible babip at home (.170) to go with a horrible OPS (.537).

 

So just shows he's been unlucky. Once his babip evens out, his numbers will go up.