There is no chance in hell Krivsky deals Hamilton and Cueto for Willis.

 

Hamilton for Willis, maybe.

Krivsky... :mischief

 

 

:thumbup When they signed Cordero to that huge contract, my first thought was "I bet they go after Willis". They would be a great fit and have some extra pieces that we could use and Willis is still a 'splash' type acquisition that they need to make at SP. Make it happen!

There is no chance in hell Krivsky deals Hamilton and Cueto for Willis.

 

Hamilton for Willis, maybe.

Krivsky... :mischief

 

 

:thumbup When they signed Cordero to that huge contract, my first thought was "I bet they go after Willis". They would be a great fit and have some extra pieces that we could use and Willis is still a 'splash' type acquisition that they need to make at SP. Make it happen!

Yeah I could see the Reds trading two top prospect...............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

except Krivsky has never traded away anyone significant on the Reds farm before.

Which park is the worse pitcher's park - Phillie or Cincy?

 

Somehow Dontrelle does not strike me as the type of pitcher a GM could reasonably consider a good match to either ballfield.

There is no chance in hell Krivsky deals Hamilton and Cueto for Willis.

 

Hamilton for Willis, maybe.

Krivsky... :mischief

 

 

:thumbup When they signed Cordero to that huge contract, my first thought was "I bet they go after Willis". They would be a great fit and have some extra pieces that we could use and Willis is still a 'splash' type acquisition that they need to make at SP. Make it happen!

Yeah I could see the Reds trading two top prospect...............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

except Krivsky has never traded away anyone significant on the Reds farm before.

when was the last time the Reds organization had anyone significant to trade?

There is no chance in hell Krivsky deals Hamilton and Cueto for Willis.

 

Hamilton for Willis, maybe.

Krivsky... :mischief

 

 

:thumbup When they signed Cordero to that huge contract, my first thought was "I bet they go after Willis". They would be a great fit and have some extra pieces that we could use and Willis is still a 'splash' type acquisition that they need to make at SP. Make it happen!

Yeah I could see the Reds trading two top prospect...............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

except Krivsky has never traded away anyone significant on the Reds farm before.

when was the last time the Reds organization had anyone significant to trade?

They have had Bailey, Bruce, Votto, and Cueto for about 2-3 years now.

There is no chance in hell Krivsky deals Hamilton and Cueto for Willis.

 

Hamilton for Willis, maybe.

Krivsky... :mischief

 

 

:thumbup When they signed Cordero to that huge contract, my first thought was "I bet they go after Willis". They would be a great fit and have some extra pieces that we could use and Willis is still a 'splash' type acquisition that they need to make at SP. Make it happen!

Yeah I could see the Reds trading two top prospect...............

 

except Krivsky has never traded away anyone significant on the Reds farm before.

when was the last time the Reds organization had anyone significant to trade?

They have had Bailey, Bruce, Votto, and Cueto for about 2-3 years now.

Yea, I'm an idiot

 

still wouldn't put it past Krivsky to move any of them outside of Bruce

That would be freakin awesome Hamilton and Cueto. Hell I would trade DT straight up for Bruce

and the Reds wouldn't

I wouldn't argue against that, they should have brought him up ages ago

That would be freakin awesome Hamilton and Cueto. Hell I would trade DT straight up for Bruce

and the Reds wouldn't

I wouldn't argue against that, they should have brought him up ages ago

what?

 

he went from A+ to AA to AAA in a year.... I assume you wanted to call him up 2 years ago then?

This one is easy. Reds will move Dunn and Griffey for more pitching and build around Bruce/Phillips/Votto/Encarnacion/Hamilton and Harang/Arroyo/Bailey/Cueto/Cordero. All of those guys are under club control through at least 2011 and that's a pretty cheap, effective core. I'm sure they'd love Dontrelle, but not at the expensive of breaking up the above "10" guys. Anyone else doesn't make sense for the Marlins, so I don't see this as a good matchup. Unless Krisvky screws up the Dunn and Griffey trades in July, and makes another awful free agent signing (monetarily) like Cordero, they should be pretty good in a year or two. They aren't as desperate as some other franchises may be for a young starter. Like the Mariners, Rockies, or Diamondbacks.

I would have brought him up from Double AA, I wouldn't have bothered having had him play the 50 games in Louisville

That would be freakin awesome Hamilton and Cueto. Hell I would trade DT straight up for Bruce

and the Reds wouldn't

I wouldn't argue against that, they should have brought him up ages ago

uh WHAT?

 

He started last year in high A, and finished in AAA.

 

Plus good luck finiding room for him with Dunn/Hamilton/Griffey. When Hamilton or Grffey get hurt this year, he will be up.

This one is easy. Reds will move Dunn and Griffey for more pitching and build around Bruce/Phillips/Votto/Encarnacion/Hamilton and Harang/Arroyo/Bailey/Cueto/Cordero. All of those guys are under club control through at least 2011 and that's a pretty cheap, effective core. I'm sure they'd love Dontrelle, but not at the expensive of breaking up the above "10" guys. Anyone else doesn't make sense for the Marlins, so I don't see this as a good matchup. Unless Krisvky screws up the Dunn and Griffey trades in July, and makes another awful free agent signing (monetarily) like Cordero, they should be pretty good in a year or two. They aren't as desperate as some other franchises may be for a young starter. Like the Mariners, Rockies, or Diamondbacks.

Ah, but you are forgetting one thing... Dusty is gonna blow up half those young arms... Willis can handle it :mischief

Lou, have you looked at Griffey's contract?

Lou, have you looked at Griffey's contract?

He is in the last year of his deal. It's not bad.

Lou, have you looked at Griffey's contract?

He is in the last year of his deal. It's not bad.

 

I think you forgot something...$57.5M in salary deferred at 4% interest, to be paid 2009-2024

Lou, have you looked at Griffey's contract?

He is in the last year of his deal. It's not bad.

 

I think you forgot something...$57.5M in salary deferred at 4% interest, to be paid 2009-2024

Pretty sure that even if he is traded, the Reds have to pay that.

One lefthander who apparently is not on the market is the Marlins' Dontrelle Willis. While Florida is actively seeking to trade Miguel Cabrera, and probably will complete a deal at some point next week, all signs are pointing to Willis remaining with Florida.

 

The Marlins hired pitching coach Mark Wiley earlier this month, and it was under Wiley's tutelage that Willis finished second in the Cy Young voting in 2005 (22-10, 2.63 ERA). Florida, which dumped salary in trading Paul Lo Duca and Carlos Delgado to the Mets, also has no desire to help their NL East rival this time by shipping Willis north.

 

As fallback options go, the Mets have a limited free-agent group to choose from that includes Carlos Silva, who is sure to be overpriced, and Minaya's old - literally - favorite, Livan Hernandez of the Diamondbacks.

 

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/met...story?track=rss

One lefthander who apparently is not on the market is the Marlins' Dontrelle Willis. While Florida is actively seeking to trade Miguel Cabrera, and probably will complete a deal at some point next week, all signs are pointing to Willis remaining with Florida.

 

The Marlins hired pitching coach Mark Wiley earlier this month, and it was under Wiley's tutelage that Willis finished second in the Cy Young voting in 2005 (22-10, 2.63 ERA). Florida, which dumped salary in trading Paul Lo Duca and Carlos Delgado to the Mets, also has no desire to help their NL East rival this time by shipping Willis north.

 

As fallback options go, the Mets have a limited free-agent group to choose from that includes Carlos Silva, who is sure to be overpriced, and Minaya's old - literally - favorite, Livan Hernandez of the Diamondbacks.

 

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/met...story?track=rss

 

Great, I'm going to throw up.

One lefthander who apparently is not on the market is the Marlins' Dontrelle Willis. While Florida is actively seeking to trade Miguel Cabrera, and probably will complete a deal at some point next week, all signs are pointing to Willis remaining with Florida.

 

The Marlins hired pitching coach Mark Wiley earlier this month, and it was under Wiley's tutelage that Willis finished second in the Cy Young voting in 2005 (22-10, 2.63 ERA). Florida, which dumped salary in trading Paul Lo Duca and Carlos Delgado to the Mets, also has no desire to help their NL East rival this time by shipping Willis north.

 

As fallback options go, the Mets have a limited free-agent group to choose from that includes Carlos Silva, who is sure to be overpriced, and Minaya's old - literally - favorite, Livan Hernandez of the Diamondbacks.

 

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/met...story?track=rss

 

Great, I'm going to throw up.

I don't know why you're so upset. Even if you want to trade him (which obviously you do), his value can't get any lower than it is now. By waiting a little, perhaps for Wiley to bring him back to form, you risk nothing. And, even if D-Train doesn't really turn things around, he'll probably be at his peak value right before the trading deadline anyway. I think refusing to move D-Train right now is the smart move.

Holding on to Dontrelle is wise. Holding on to Miguel is idiotic.

uhm... im watching the heat game. Dontrelle is in the building. one of the broadcasters said that sources say he was traded to the mets. not sure if it was a joke, or if it was truth.

uhm... im watching the heat game. Dontrelle is in the building. one of the broadcasters said that sources say he was traded to the mets. not sure if it was a joke, or if it was truth.

 

 

Yeah I was watching that game too.

 

It was just Jeff Van Gundy saying something he knows nothing about

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...7&fext=.jsp

 

Willis likely to remain with Marlins

12/03/2007 2:44 AM ET

By Joe Frisaro / MLB.com

 

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- While it seems inevitable that Miguel Cabrera will be leaving the Marlins, strong indications surfaced on Sunday that Dontrelle Willis will be staying in South Florida.

On the eve of the Winter Meetings beginning in Nashville, multiple sources said the Marlins are leaning towards retaining the D-Train, at least until the July 31, 2008 trade deadline.

 

The subject of trade speculation for years, Willis has two more seasons left in the arbitration process before he was to qualify for free agency. He earned $6.45 million this past season, and is in line to increase that figure to more than $7 million in 2008. Despite coming off a down year, the left-hander is still regarded as a bargain when you factor in how expensive free agent starting pitchers are. And the price to obtain young arms through trades is difficult.

 

In Willis, the Marlins understand they have a workhorse and clubhouse leader.

 

The Marlins are looking to bolster their rotation and return to the blueprint of building around pitching and defense.

 

Willis is coming off his worst season of his career, going 10-15 with a 5.17 ERA. And in the last two years, he is a combined 22-27 with a 4.49 ERA. Compare that to his 2005 season, when he posted a 22-10 record (2.63 ERA), and paced the league in victories.

 

With a 68-54 career mark, Willis already is Florida's all-time leader in wins.

 

Willis' value, however, is more than just wins and losses. What he does is eat up innings while giving the team more than 30 starts. In fact, in '07, he became the first Marlin ever to make 35 starts, as he compiled 205 1/3 innings.

 

While Willis is likely to return, the Marlins still are expected to entertain feeler offers for teams interested in the left-hander.

 

Over the past few weeks, the Marlins have had some preliminary talks regarding Willis. The Tigers and Astros expressed interest, but Florida's asking price is high.

 

Willis, who turns 26 in January, is a two-time All-Star and in 2003 he was the NL Rookie of the Year.

 

The Marlins are hopeful that Willis will recapture his old form now that he is once again united with pitching coach Mark Wiley. In 2005, Wiley was the pitching coach the year Willis finished second to St. Louis' Chris Carpenter in the Cy Young Award voting.

 

One source on Sunday said if Willis rediscovers his lost touch, it would increase his trade value down the line, perhaps by the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline, depending on how Florida's season is shaping up.

 

 

 

Willis is one of the most popular all-time Marlins, and he offers leadership in a young clubhouse.

 

As for Cabrera, multiple sources say the Marlins are committed to trading the 24-year-old slugger because they simply can't afford him. After making $7.4 million this past season, the Venezuelan native is in line to earn more than $10 million. Cabrera, like Willis, isn't eligible for free agency until after the 2009 season.

 

It is doubtful the Marlins will attempt to sign Cabrera for '08 and deal him during the upcoming season.

 

Florida is hoping to fill several needs in any deal involving Cabrera, especially catcher and center field. The Marlins also are looking for pitching in a Cabrera trade. The Angels and Dodgers have been the most active teams vying for the four-time All-Star third baseman. The Giants also are in the mix.

Per SI.com:

 

The Reds may make a play for Marlins left-hander Dontrelle Willis. Cincinnati finally has decent prospects to trade -- starting with pitcher Homer Bailey and slugger Joey Votto. Josh Hamilton, last year's feel good story, also should have good value now.

Votto makes me tingle.

I imagine they're betting he will improve significantly under Wiley. He certainly can't do any worse in 08 than he did in 07.