February 25, 200818 yr Apparently people showed up. Whatever, they look like they're having fun. It's harmless.
February 25, 200818 yr I think the problem most of us had with this is the media exposure. Our level of competition won't interest the national media so they will focus on stupid things like this (and they already are). I'm sure this is all in good fun but with the announcement of the binding stadium agreement, perhaps the Marlins should start building the reputation of a serious, classy franchise not a media target for mockery? I would have been more opposed to the Mermaids, but the idea of cheerleaders has surrounded the fabric of American sports for quite some time now so their presence (even in baseball) isn't highly unusual.
February 25, 200818 yr Just to give you an idea how much media attention this is getting... I would imagine this is the most coverage we've gotten since the 2003 World Series.
February 25, 200818 yr I think the problem most of us had with this is the media exposure. Our level of competition won't interest the national media so they will focus on stupid things like this (and they already are). I'm sure this is all in good fun but with the announcement of the binding stadium agreement, perhaps the Marlins should start building the reputation of a serious, classy franchise not a media target for mockery? I would have been more opposed to the Mermaids, but the idea of cheerleaders has surrounded the fabric of American sports for quite some time now so their presence (even in baseball) isn't highly unusual. I don't give a rats patootie what other people think. And just like my opinion on the politics of Miami and the county, I doubt very much if the eyes of the world are riveted on South Florida to see what is happening down here. Some of you are blowing it way out of proportion. Seems to be harmless, family oriented, in-game entertainment. We ought to worry more about how the rest of MLB sees us as a baseball supportive community and actually go to the games. That's what everyone else is looking at and not what we wear, our hair styles, or in-game activities.
February 25, 200818 yr Obviously that is not what they are looking at. See above. Too funny. Thinking the whole world will think we are some minor league team just because of a couple minutes per game of a parody dance team. Got news for ya. They look at our attendance and see minor league teams pulling better alot more than what is up on the jumbo-trons between every inning. Other teams have some pretty rediculous between innings entertainment as well. I find them to be funny and entertaining. Of course I guess if folks really feel that strongly they can use it as excuse #47,862 of why they won't drive 30 minutes or so to watch a MLB game live. That'll show em.
February 25, 200818 yr Number thirteen is always on the heat game jumbo-tron dancing Is that tight jersey guy? It looks like him.
February 25, 200818 yr Oh for heaven's sake, people, get a grip on yourselves. Haven't you heard of "there is no bad publicity?" Would you rather be the completely bland and "publicity-free" Kansas City Royals? How about the Pittsburgh Pirates? Cincinnati Reds? Geez, even the Milwaukee Brewers are fairly anonymous outside of Wisconsin? Yeah, those are "serious" franchises that get so much "respect" for operating! Sometimes I see this "inferiority complex" among many of the posters here that is just silly. Like it matters where the team is ranked in the latest ESPN or FoxSports "power poll." Like it matters how much time is spent on the Marlins on Baseball Tonight or SportsCenter. In the grand scheme of things, MLB is not the BCS! There are no "bonus points" for publicity or "face time" that will equal one more or one less "win". There is no Harris Poll or "computer" that determines the standings. It's what is done on the field, and if the Fish do well on the field, there will be a rise in the standings, and whether Buster Olney writes an extra sentence on that, or Dayn Perry will get another fact wrong on this, will have no bearings on the successes or failures of the team on the field. So, let us get the "face time" because of the "Marlins Manatees." All that means is that little Oppie Cunningham in Topeka, KS got to see a Marlins jersey when he opened up his Yahoo! website to check his mail. That's exposure on a nationwide scale, doesn't matter what!
February 25, 200818 yr yeah, i dont see how these guys are any worse than the fat, lazy, drunk, smelly slobs who frequent every other stadium and are up on the jumbotron for xyz amount of time every game day in, day out
February 25, 200818 yr Im not sure why this is making people so "sick.." Whether you like it or not this PR gig has worked for the Marlins. It has been everywhere!!! Yahoo, AOL, Sportscenter, First and 10, Mike and Mike in the morning...(they actually have a bet, if Greene wins then Golic has to do a skit with them in short shorts) Miami Herald, Sun Sentinal, PBP, even newspapers in Atlanta were advertising the tryouts! Sure, people are going to come out to watch the fat dudes dance but its all for fun... How many people dislike the "Golden Oldies" at the Heat game???? They old geezers CRACK ME UP! Its great for the people at the ballpark to laugh... Get over it!
February 25, 200818 yr Would the Yankees or Red Sox do something like this? Hell no. How about the Cubs, Dodgers, Cardinals? Come to think of it, the Marlins are just about the only team I can think of that would pull something like this. Baseball is a game that is based on tradition, and whether you like to admit it or not....male dancers are NOT part of the game and never were intended to be. What these clowns in the Marlins PR are doing is making us look bad and are a disgrace to the game of baseball Right now, the Florida Marlins organization is more of a three-ring circus than it is a baseball franchise. I can't wait til' this garbage comes to an end.
February 25, 200818 yr Oh for heaven's sake, people, get a grip on yourselves. Haven't you heard of "there is no bad publicity?" Would you rather be the completely bland and "publicity-free" Kansas City Royals? How about the Pittsburgh Pirates? Cincinnati Reds? Geez, even the Milwaukee Brewers are fairly anonymous outside of Wisconsin? Yeah, those are "serious" franchises that get so much "respect" for operating! Sometimes I see this "inferiority complex" among many of the posters here that is just silly. Like it matters where the team is ranked in the latest ESPN or FoxSports "power poll." Like it matters how much time is spent on the Marlins on Baseball Tonight or SportsCenter. In the grand scheme of things, MLB is not the BCS! There are no "bonus points" for publicity or "face time" that will equal one more or one less "win". There is no Harris Poll or "computer" that determines the standings. It's what is done on the field, and if the Fish do well on the field, there will be a rise in the standings, and whether Buster Olney writes an extra sentence on that, or Dayn Perry will get another fact wrong on this, will have no bearings on the successes or failures of the team on the field. So, let us get the "face time" because of the "Marlins Manatees." All that means is that little Oppie Cunningham in Topeka, KS got to see a Marlins jersey when he opened up his Yahoo! website to check his mail. That's exposure on a nationwide scale, doesn't matter what! When it interferes with the grace and tradition of baseball, then yeah, it is bad publicity.
February 25, 200818 yr When it interferes with the grace and tradition of baseball, then yeah, it is bad publicity. Unless the fat guys are dancing on the first base line during the middle of play, or they're doing the Electric Slide in centerfield while Albert Pujols is at bat with a 3-2 count, they are NOT interfering with the grace and tradition of baseball! As I said, "get over yourselves!" Speaking of "tradition," how does having "luxury table top" seating over the Green Monster equate to "baseball tradition?" How does having a stadium singing "Sweet Caroline" equate to "the tradition of baseball?" The world has not come to an end because there are sausages racing in the seventh inning in Milwaukee, or pierogies racing in the seventh inning in Pittsburgh, or the fact that there is a swimming pool in centerfield in Arizona. Again, "get over yourselves?" Gimmicks have been part of the "grace and tradition of baseball" since the beginning. Remember Eddie Gaedel? Remember Grandstand Managers? Day? Those are "gimmicks" that occurred over 60 years ago. Oh, yeah, and there was a time when black and Latino players were considered to "interfere with the grace and tradition of baseball." Puh-lease, some of you sanctomonious blow hards with your "tradition of the game" still believe that the 1950s were the "Golden Age of Baseball," when "tradition" mattered. Yeah, well reality back then was that average attendance was horrible; blacks and Latinos were still effectively shut out of the game; and there was really no such thing as competitive balance when the World Series title resided in the City of New York for every year of the decade except two, when the Milwaukee Braves won it in 1957 and the Dodgers (as the LA Dodgers) in 1959. (NY Yankees: 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1956, 1958; NY Giants 1954; Brooklyn Dodgers 1955) Not to mention the fact that the World Series didn't even LEAVE New York in 1951 (Giants v. Yankees); 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, (Dodgers v. Yankees). I'm sure the folks in Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Chicago, Boston, Washington, Philadelphia, and Cleveland would like to harken back to the "Good Ol' Days" of "baseball tradition."
February 25, 200818 yr SoFlaFish, I wish I could have come up with your responses.. I could not agree with you more... This is such a silly gimmick, but if it means the Marlins are getting some attention, then so be it. People talk about the lack of media coverage for this team, but when we get some for the wrong reasons, we're a disgrace to MLB.... People need to get over it.. I loved the comment about some kid in Topeka opening up Yahoo! and seeing a Marlins jersey.. So true... Any exposure we get, can't hurt... Fact is, people are now hearing the name "Florida Marlins" more than they did before... I also heard that the Chicago Bulls do the same thing. I don't think it was something organized by their front office, but some large men started dancing on the jumbotron and now it's a big part of their games...
February 25, 200818 yr Unless the fat guys are dancing on the first base line during the middle of play, or they're doing the Electric Slide in centerfield while Albert Pujols is at bat with a 3-2 count, they are NOT interfering with the grace and tradition of baseball! As I said, "get over yourselves!" You're right.That would be interfering with play, not tradition. Speaking of "tradition," how does having "luxury table top" seating over the Green Monster equate to "baseball tradition?" How does having a stadium singing "Sweet Caroline" equate to "the tradition of baseball?" The world has not come to an end because there are sausages racing in the seventh inning in Milwaukee, or pierogies racing in the seventh inning in Pittsburgh, or the fact that there is a swimming pool in centerfield in Arizona. Again, "get over yourselves?" You're right, times change. There's nothing we can do about it. But for pete's sake...dancing fat guys in between innings and cheerleaders? The great thing about baseball is that it doesn't mirror the other sports and their "sex" symbols. It's always been a place where you can bring your family and watch the game without having to look at half naked sluts with their *sses dangling in front of little kids' faces. I mean, come on...I can see starting NEW traditons like other teams do (sweet caroline and sausage race) but it's all in good fun and in good taste. I really don't think that cheerleaders are in good taste. They just don't belong in baseball. The Red Sox needed to find a way to include more seating, so they came up with the monster seats, is that such a bad thing? Watching a couple of sausages race around the diamond in between innings, is that such a bad thing (especially for the kids)?Singing a feel good song about good times by neil Diamond, is that such a bad thing? Gimmicks have been part of the "grace and tradition of baseball" since the beginning. Remember Eddie Gaedel? Remember Grandstand Managers' Day? Those are "gimmicks" that occurred over 60 years ago. Oh, yeah, and there was a time when black and Latino players were considered to "interfere with the grace and tradition of baseball." Paying homage to grandstand managers isn't exactly watching obese men shaking their guts or half naked sluts shaking their butts. Puh-lease, some of you sanctomonious blow hards with your "tradition of the game" still believe that the 1950s were the "Golden Age of Baseball," when "tradition" mattered. Yeah, well reality back then was that average attendance was horrible; blacks and Latinos were still effectively shut out of the game; and there was really no such thing as competitive balance when the World Series title resided in the City of New York for every year of the decade except two, when the Milwaukee Braves won it in 1957 and the Dodgers (as the LA Dodgers) in 1959. (NY Yankees: 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1956, 1958; NY Giants 1954; Brooklyn Dodgers 1955) Not to mention the fact that the World Series didn't even LEAVE New York in 1951 (Giants v. Yankees); 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, (Dodgers v. Yankees). I'm sure the folks in Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Chicago, Boston, Washington, Philadelphia, and Cleveland would like to harken back to the "Good Ol' Days" of "baseball tradition." There's 29 other teams in MLB that DON'T have cheerleaders, and I'm pretty sure they're doing alright attendance wise. MLB is breaking attendance records without having to resort to the crap the Marlins are pulling. It's just in bad tatse and it doesn't belong in baseball. If you really like the Mermaids that much, go to a friggin' strip club, not a baseball game. or if you want to see Manatees "that" badly, go to a McDonalds, pick 10 random dudes and pay them to dance for you. None of that stuff belongs at a baseball game.
February 25, 200818 yr SoFlaFish, I wish I could have come up with your responses.. I could not agree with you more... This is such a silly gimmick, but if it means the Marlins are getting some attention, then so be it. People talk about the lack of media coverage for this team, but when we get some for the wrong reasons, we're a disgrace to MLB.... People need to get over it.. I loved the comment about some kid in Topeka opening up Yahoo! and seeing a Marlins jersey.. So true... Any exposure we get, can't hurt... Fact is, people are now hearing the name "Florida Marlins" more than they did before... I also heard that the Chicago Bulls do the same thing. I don't think it was something organized by their front office, but some large men started dancing on the jumbotron and now it's a big part of their games... Yeah, and I guess the OJ Simpson trial was good publicity for him too, huh? :thumbup
February 25, 200818 yr The argument would hold a lot more water if we actually knew it would increase revenue for the club. This is a fanbase that is young and growing. Negative publicity could certainly impede fanbase growth if potential fans are easily turned off by ridiculous gimmicks. In this thread we essentially have two camps of people: those who think it's a stupid idea and are upset about it and we have the people who think it's a stupid idea but don't care. If it seems like this is an unpopular promotion among the masses, how are the occasional jabs on ESPN supposed to actually help this franchise? Breaks from baseball tradition are invited as long as they display obvious benefits or more importantly, class. The Red Sox and Yankees are proud of the image they uphold while I am yet to meet a Marlins fan that embraces some of these idiotic moves that have come out of our PR department.
February 25, 200818 yr Where's 2003 when i need him...? LOL I don't think he cares as much as you think he does.
February 25, 200818 yr Looking at it from an economic standpoint, I think it could only hurt the organization. I think theres more people who would be turned away by this promotion than people who use this promotion as an incentive to go to a marlins game. I hate to be whiny about this, and I know there's nothing I can do about it, but It's just a pretty ridiculous move by the organization.
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