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The only thing that sucks about tonight.

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...is that Gregg blowing saves decreases his trade value. I was kinda hoping he'd get to (at least) 35 saves, and that Jacobs would get to 30-35 HR's before season's end.

...is that Gregg blowing saves decreases his trade value. I was kinda hoping he'd get to (at least) 35 saves, and that Jacobs would get to 30-35 HR's before season's end.

What positions do you think we need to concentrate on for next year Erik?

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...is that Gregg blowing saves decreases his trade value. I was kinda hoping he'd get to (at least) 35 saves, and that Jacobs would get to 30-35 HR's before season's end.

What positions do you think we need to concentrate on for next year Erik?

 

 

Not much, really.

 

1. Bullpen's depend on how lucky you get with them. Just look at the Phillies & Rays, for example. Things can easily change with guys from the pen, from one year to the next...especially when you have guys like Lindstrom, Kensing, and Tucker who have good stuff...as well as Pinto who should still be counted on next year.

 

2. The SP, imo...Nolasco, JJ, Volstad, Miller, Anibal. And I like 'em, in that order. I believe that will be the starting rotation next year, and I think it's as good as any team.

 

3. Position players: You have the option of putting Cantu at 1B, and letting McPherson / Coghlan battle it out at 3B, in Spring Training...or Cantu at 3B, with Gaby Sanchez getting the nod at 1B, until Logan Morrison is ready, in a couple years. As far as the OF, Hermida in RF, with Maybin in CF. LF...is a question mark. But the team has plenty of options, imo (Hammer, Ross, Raynor).

 

As far as biggest need...catcher. I'd love to see Loria spend some money for Pudge Rodriguez, again. I, truly, believe this team isn't far from contention.

 

As long as you have a player to build around, and a strong starting 5, you always have a chance, imo. Especially as they continue to develop and mature more.

Actually there are a lot of things that suck tonight besides Gregg lowering his trade value. One thing I was was saying here at the home is how demoralizing this must be to the starting pitchers. From here on out, they'll basically go into every game expecting to get a no decision. To see great games wasted by this waste of a bullpen. I can't wait to read some the boring prepared lines this team spews after this game.

Biggest offseason needs are in the bullpen. They also need to start restocking the minors with pitching talent. Most of our best talent is already in the majors. Looking a tad thin down there. And we know the front office doesn't keep pitchers around too long.

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that's not the ONLY thing that sucks about tonight

 

 

Well, I can't really disagree with that. It was a tough loss.

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Biggest offseason needs are in the bullpen.

 

 

I disagree with that.

We haven't had a starting catcher, since '03. Baker is not the answer. And obviously, Lo Duca / Treanor are not the answer, either.

 

We need a catcher next year. I'm more worried about that.

 

Adding bullpen pieces isn't tough. We have some guys from within, and the organization has plenty of players they can use as trade bait.

 

Relievers rise and fall every year (unless if they're really great). It all depends how fortunate you get with them (examples: Joe Nelson, Doug Waechter...Kevin Gregg last year, as well).

Biggest offseason needs are in the bullpen.

 

 

I disagree with that.

We haven't had a starting catcher, since '03. Baker is not the answer. And obviously, Lo Duca / Treanor are not the answer, either.

 

We need a catcher next year. I'm more worried about that.

 

Adding bullpen pieces isn't tough. We have some guys from within, and the organization has plenty of players they can use as trade bait.

 

Relievers rise and fall every year (unless if they're really great). It all depends how fortunate you get with them (examples: Joe Nelson, Doug Waechter...Kevin Gregg last year, as well).

 

I'm not so sure about that, if we can get a catcher that can beat up on lefties and play solid defense, a platoon of Baker and Player X would be more than adequate...

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Biggest offseason needs are in the bullpen.

 

 

I disagree with that.

We haven't had a starting catcher, since '03. Baker is not the answer. And obviously, Lo Duca / Treanor are not the answer, either.

 

We need a catcher next year. I'm more worried about that.

 

Adding bullpen pieces isn't tough. We have some guys from within, and the organization has plenty of players they can use as trade bait.

 

Relievers rise and fall every year (unless if they're really great). It all depends how fortunate you get with them (examples: Joe Nelson, Doug Waechter...Kevin Gregg last year, as well).

 

I'm not so sure about that, if we can get a catcher that can beat up on lefties and play solid defense, a platoon of Baker and Player X would be more than adequate...

 

 

I'm not too thrilled about Baker, defensively.

I'm also not ready to say he's a starter, either. Just not thrilled at the idea. For what it's worth, he hit lefties very well in AAA, this year, so I'm not even sure about the whole platoon thing, if that's the case.

Another thing that sucks about the game - i got home in a "merry state" after a night out on the town, decided i would fire on the game which was in the 8th inning and was delighted to see we were up 2-1.

then things went downhill...........kevin gregg officially sobered me up

i went to bed an unhappy guy

The only thing that sucked about tonight is that I paid money to see Kevin Gregg be Kevin Gregg.

 

lmao true, nothing sucks more then paying to the go the Marlins game and leaving with a loss.

 

whatever they can salvage from a Gregg trade in the offseason should be ok for us. Because obviously hes not the only one he needs to hit the door.

As far as biggest need...catcher. I'd love to see Loria spend some money for Pudge Rodriguez, again. I, truly, believe this team isn't far from contention.

 

So you want to overpay for an aging, past-his-prime catcher who has had an OPS + below 100 the past 4 years?

 

The FA market for catcher this offseason is very weak:

 

Rod Barajas (33) - $2.5MM club option for '09 with a $0.5MM buyout

Michael Barrett (32)

Henry Blanco (37) - $3MM mutual option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout

Johnny Estrada (33)

Toby Hall (33) - $2.25MM club option for '09 with a $0.15MM buyout

Jason LaRue (35)

Paul Lo Duca (37)

Miguel Olivo (30) - $2.7MM mutual option for '09 with a $0.1MM buyout

Mike Redmond (38) - $0.95MM club option for '09 with a $0.1MM buyout

Ivan Rodriguez (37)

David Ross (32)

Jason Varitek (37)

Gregg Zaun (38)

 

Either we trade for one, or continue to suffer.

As far as biggest need...catcher. I'd love to see Loria spend some money for Pudge Rodriguez, again. I, truly, believe this team isn't far from contention.

 

So you want to overpay for an aging, past-his-prime catcher who has had an OPS + below 100 the past 4 years?

 

The FA market for catcher this offseason is very weak:

 

Rod Barajas (33) - $2.5MM club option for '09 with a $0.5MM buyout

Michael Barrett (32)

Henry Blanco (37) - $3MM mutual option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout

Johnny Estrada (33)

Toby Hall (33) - $2.25MM club option for '09 with a $0.15MM buyout

Jason LaRue (35)

Paul Lo Duca (37)

Miguel Olivo (30) - $2.7MM mutual option for '09 with a $0.1MM buyout

Mike Redmond (38) - $0.95MM club option for '09 with a $0.1MM buyout

Ivan Rodriguez (37)

David Ross (32)

Jason Varitek (37)

Gregg Zaun (38)

 

Either we trade for one, or continue to suffer.

 

Redmond or bust! :thumbup

I may be in the minority, I like Baker.

I also like Bake. I don't think he's going to be a big name catcher but I also don't think that C is the hole that it once was.

Redmond or bust! :thumbup

 

Nah, that won't do, because Tom Glavine is probably retiring :shifty

 

But I'd have no problem with bringing him back if it were to only face Tom Glavine.

 

(For those of you who don't know: Redmond is .438/.471/.604 lifetime vs. Glavine)

Redmond or bust! :thumbup

 

Nah, that won't do, because Tom Glavine is probably retiring :shifty

 

But I'd have no problem with bringing him back if it were to only face Tom Glavine.

 

(For those of you who don't know: Redmond is .438/.471/.604 lifetime vs. Glavine)

 

He's also REALLY good against LHP in general, and is a solid defender that could back up Baker competently, come here on the cheap and buy us another year to get another catcher

Redmond or bust! :thumbup

 

Nah, that won't do, because Tom Glavine is probably retiring :shifty

 

But I'd have no problem with bringing him back if it were to only face Tom Glavine.

 

(For those of you who don't know: Redmond is .438/.471/.604 lifetime vs. Glavine)

 

He's also REALLY good against LHP in general, and is a solid defender that could back up Baker competently, come here on the cheap and buy us another year to get another catcher

 

True, though he has never played a full season. Wouldn't be a bad pick-up.

I think Baker can hit lefties and based upon his minor league experience should be able to toss out runners at about a 1/3 clip.

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As far as biggest need...catcher. I'd love to see Loria spend some money for Pudge Rodriguez, again. I, truly, believe this team isn't far from contention.

 

So you want to overpay for an aging, past-his-prime catcher who has had an OPS + below 100 the past 4 years?

 

 

 

Considering the rest of the list...why not? Do we not have money to spend for a year or two? :rolleyes:

If it's not Pudge, it has to be a trade.

As far as biggest need...catcher. I'd love to see Loria spend some money for Pudge Rodriguez, again. I, truly, believe this team isn't far from contention.

 

So you want to overpay for an aging, past-his-prime catcher who has had an OPS + below 100 the past 4 years?

 

 

 

Considering the rest of the list...why not? Do we not have money to spend for a year or two? :rolleyes:

If it's not Pudge, it has to be a trade.

 

Wasting money on Pudge would be foolish. I'd much rather trade for a C than sign him.

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As far as biggest need...catcher. I'd love to see Loria spend some money for Pudge Rodriguez, again. I, truly, believe this team isn't far from contention.

 

So you want to overpay for an aging, past-his-prime catcher who has had an OPS + below 100 the past 4 years?

 

 

 

Considering the rest of the list...why not? Do we not have money to spend for a year or two? :rolleyes:

If it's not Pudge, it has to be a trade.

 

Wasting money on Pudge would be foolish. I'd much rather trade for a C than sign him.

 

Got any options in mind?

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