another reason i just remembered that we might have lost is Because Anibal couldnt bunt anyone over in i belive 2 AB's with 0 outs

 

Correct me if I'm wrong

 

 

Anibal pitched well but couldent bunt at all or thorw to 1st however fredo stole 2nd once to save him on a bunt he let go right down the pipe.

 

Exactly and if he got the bunt down Fredo could have gone to 3rd with 1 out for the top of our order

another reason i just remembered that we might have lost is Because Anibal couldnt bunt anyone over in i belive 2 AB's with 0 outs

 

Correct me if I'm wrong

 

 

Anibal pitched well but couldent bunt at all or thorw to 1st however fredo stole 2nd once to save him on a bunt he let go right down the pipe.

 

Exactly and if he got the bunt down Fredo could have gone to 3rd with 1 out for the top of our order

 

No he stole on strike 3 for anibal. I dont think he could have got to 3rd even if anibal got that bunt down he would have had to go from 1st to third on a bunt which is hard.

Yep. I will always complain about attendance. And those that don't go, sit at home watching big games like this one, and complain about others comments on the poor attendance will whine whenever it is brought up.

 

Not sure if I saw the game?? Told ya. I was there. Bucknor may not have had a clear enough view and got the call wrong. I have no idea because I didn't have the luxury of numerous instant replay shots. But he called it right. Even Hammer so much as said so. Plus shall we go back and name the games we won because of bad calls?? (probably not, can't do any finger pointing that way) But I would think going 1 for 12 with RISP, 2 errors, and K'ing 16 times that game had alot more to do with the loss than one call at home. Check those same stats out for the year compared with other MLB teams and THAT is why we won't be in the play offs. It's not one players fault, one coaches fault, or one umpires fault.

 

Please, buddy. If you werent near the play, then don't make any comments on it. You were hundreds of feet away up in the stands...so obviously you didn't see the play. And by the way, you complaining about attendance isn't going to change anything :thumbup

 

 

I see. So your part time job is Bucknor's face mask. Man, you sure took a beating that game. :whistle You missed the point entirely...or ignored it. I never said if he was safe or not. You are right, I wasn't in position to really tell. I booed the call, and then just got on with the game secure in the knowledge that one call at home plate wouldn't be the reason if we lost. The play was a bang-bang and the ball beat him there. Most of the time that call goes the way it did. Not just my opinion on that. It's a pretty well known fact, one even Hammer stated. Take the human element out of the game and we have no where near the same game. That's not something I am willing to trade off. And I have always been a firm believer in the fact that those types of calls even themselves out during the course of 162 games. (Heck, even IP dosen't work all the time. Ask a Chargers fan about the game vs my Broncos.) In any case, we lost that game Saturday because of the dismal stats we put up AGAIN in the categories that we have been dismal in ALL SEASON. It's why I will VERY RARELY point fingers at any one player, coach, or ump.

 

And BTW...Your comments about me complaining about attendance isn't going to change anything. I'll never stop; because it is an embarassment to the South Florida Marlins fan base to be consistently the worst drawing team in MLB. I refuse to just ignore it in hopes it will go away just because I don't like it... :thumbup Guess that's a difference of opinion we will both have to live with. If I happen to think about it at the time, I will put a special message up before any post I am going to complain about attendance so you won't have to bother reading it. But I make no promises.

You guys continue to say "this game shouldn't have been decided by the umpire..." or it was clear..."HE WAS RIGHT THERE! Rich wasn't!" :whistle

 

First off, correct me if I'm wrong...but Rich & Conine have TV monitor's in the booth. No?

 

Second...be honest, for once. If that call had gone the other way...are you all crying like the baby up top? The answer is no. And I know this b/c we don't complain or whine, when a call goes the Marlins way. You don't hear these comments when a call goes the Marlins way. When a call goes the Marlins way, we talk about a great game, and all the great things the team did to win the game. Well...last night it went the other way, on a play that wasn't as obvious as some of you make it sound (the friggin ball got there before Cantu did...he shouldn't have gone).

 

 

Erick, u mention how Rich and Conine are in the booths, we weren't complaining about Rich and Niner making a bad call, we were complaining about C.B Bucknor. He was right on that play, he isn't there just to have a point of view, he is there to make the right call, and the right call there was that he was out. Of Course u don't hear us complain when they get the call wrong for our side, we say that umpire should've made the right call though, and we would say the other team did get screwed. The ball did get there before Cantu did, but the fact is when a runner is blantently out, the ump isn't supposed to automatically assume he is out, he is supposed to watch the play until the tag is made, and i believe Bucknor did not do that, his call was made as soon as the ball was in the catchers glove, and that should never happen. Bucknor screwed us out of the game, and could have in the end screwed us out of a playoff chance. Cheers, to the one and only C.B Bucknor, shall he stay the hell away from DS.

Don't blame C.B. Bucknor for tonight's loss.

 

The Mets' fans do.

I see. So your part time job is Bucknor's face mask. Man, you sure took a beating that game. :whistle You missed the point entirely...or ignored it. I never said if he was safe or not. You are right, I wasn't in position to really tell. I booed the call, and then just got on with the game secure in the knowledge that one call at home plate wouldn't be the reason if we lost. The play was a bang-bang and the ball beat him there. Most of the time that call goes the way it did. Not just my opinion on that. It's a pretty well known fact, one even Hammer stated. Take the human element out of the game and we have no where near the same game. That's not something I am willing to trade off. And I have always been a firm believer in the fact that those types of calls even themselves out during the course of 162 games. (Heck, even IP dosen't work all the time. Ask a Chargers fan about the game vs my Broncos.) In any case, we lost that game Saturday because of the dismal stats we put up AGAIN in the categories that we have been dismal in ALL SEASON. It's why I will VERY RARELY point fingers at any one player, coach, or ump.

 

And BTW...Your comments about me complaining about attendance isn't going to change anything. I'll never stop; because it is an embarassment to the South Florida Marlins fan base to be consistently the worst drawing team in MLB. I refuse to just ignore it in hopes it will go away just because I don't like it... :thumbup Guess that's a difference of opinion we will both have to live with. If I happen to think about it at the time, I will put a special message up before any post I am going to complain about attendance so you won't have to bother reading it. But I make no promises.

 

Alright, whatever you say Bob, but like i said before...it was not "bang bang". It was quite clear that he was safe. Just a blown call that we can't do anything about, so I'll stop talking about it. Whats done is done

 

And Bob, don't you think there is a reason the Marlins have top 10 TV ratings and draw so poorly? Did it ever occur to you that Dolphin Stadium is hands down the worst place in MLB to witness a baseball game?

 

It's either scorching hot/muggy or pouring rain. Not to mention it's a football stadium. I don't blame people for not showing up to the games...the place is horrible. I'm happy for people like you who ignore all of this and still support the team, but you're only being ignorant if you wonder why they don't go.

You guys continue to say "this game shouldn't have been decided by the umpire..." or it was clear..."HE WAS RIGHT THERE! Rich wasn't!" :whistle

 

First off, correct me if I'm wrong...but Rich & Conine have TV monitor's in the booth. No?

 

Second...be honest, for once. If that call had gone the other way...are you all crying like the baby up top? The answer is no. And I know this b/c we don't complain or whine, when a call goes the Marlins way. You don't hear these comments when a call goes the Marlins way. When a call goes the Marlins way, we talk about a great game, and all the great things the team did to win the game. Well...last night it went the other way, on a play that wasn't as obvious as some of you make it sound (the friggin ball got there before Cantu did...he shouldn't have gone).

 

Sorry Erick.

i know you never wrong but announcers have monitors in the booth even the ones doing radio,

Your comments about me complaining about attendance isn't going to change anything. I'll never stop; because it is an embarassment to the South Florida Marlins fan base to be consistently the worst drawing team in MLB. I refuse to just ignore it in hopes it will go away just because I don't like it... :thumbup Guess that's a difference of opinion we will both have to live with. If I happen to think about it at the time, I will put a special message up before any post I am going to complain about attendance so you won't have to bother reading it. But I make no promises.

 

Amen brother. It's absolutely embarrassing. These players deserve better.

You guys continue to say "this game shouldn't have been decided by the umpire..." or it was clear..."HE WAS RIGHT THERE! Rich wasn't!" :whistle

 

First off, correct me if I'm wrong...but Rich & Conine have TV monitor's in the booth. No?

 

Second...be honest, for once. If that call had gone the other way...are you all crying like the baby up top? The answer is no. And I know this b/c we don't complain or whine, when a call goes the Marlins way. You don't hear these comments when a call goes the Marlins way. When a call goes the Marlins way, we talk about a great game, and all the great things the team did to win the game. Well...last night it went the other way, on a play that wasn't as obvious as some of you make it sound (the friggin ball got there before Cantu did...he shouldn't have gone).

 

Sorry Erick.

i know you never wrong but announcers have monitors in the booth even the ones doing radio,

 

 

That's what I said.

I see. So your part time job is Bucknor's face mask. Man, you sure took a beating that game. :whistle You missed the point entirely...or ignored it. I never said if he was safe or not. You are right, I wasn't in position to really tell. I booed the call, and then just got on with the game secure in the knowledge that one call at home plate wouldn't be the reason if we lost. The play was a bang-bang and the ball beat him there. Most of the time that call goes the way it did. Not just my opinion on that. It's a pretty well known fact, one even Hammer stated. Take the human element out of the game and we have no where near the same game. That's not something I am willing to trade off. And I have always been a firm believer in the fact that those types of calls even themselves out during the course of 162 games. (Heck, even IP dosen't work all the time. Ask a Chargers fan about the game vs my Broncos.) In any case, we lost that game Saturday because of the dismal stats we put up AGAIN in the categories that we have been dismal in ALL SEASON. It's why I will VERY RARELY point fingers at any one player, coach, or ump.

 

And BTW...Your comments about me complaining about attendance isn't going to change anything. I'll never stop; because it is an embarassment to the South Florida Marlins fan base to be consistently the worst drawing team in MLB. I refuse to just ignore it in hopes it will go away just because I don't like it... :thumbup Guess that's a difference of opinion we will both have to live with. If I happen to think about it at the time, I will put a special message up before any post I am going to complain about attendance so you won't have to bother reading it. But I make no promises.

 

Alright, whatever you say Bob, but like i said before...it was not "bang bang". It was quite clear that he was safe. Just a blown call that we can't do anything about, so I'll stop talking about it. Whats done is done

 

And Bob, don't you think there is a reason the Marlins have top 10 TV ratings and draw so poorly? Did it ever occur to you that Dolphin Stadium is hands down the worst place in MLB to witness a baseball game?

 

It's either scorching hot/muggy or pouring rain. Not to mention it's a football stadium. I don't blame people for not showing up to the games...the place is horrible. I'm happy for people like you who ignore all of this and still support the team, but you're only being ignorant if you wonder why they don't go.

 

You forgot the 2347 other excuses for not going to the games. Heard em all. At least try to be original.

 

Really not a bad place to watch a game. Only to those that refuse to go. Every fan I have to talked to from other teams actually like the place. East to get to and away from. Comfortable seating. Only a few places where the sight lines are bad. Far from the worst place I ever watched a game at. But most teams now have new stadiums, so comparing really isn't fair.

 

Night games are very comfortable. Usually a cool breeze. Day games the only place to sit is in the 200 section. And as this year wore on, many people discovered that. Day games in South Florida are moronic after April and early May.

 

Might want to check on that "pouring rain" thing before you use that one. Very few games are rained out or postponed. Check the stats and then compare them to other teams. Bet we are at least middle of the road there compared to other open air facilities. South Florida gets thunderstorms in the afternoons. Generally not at night. And seeing our rainy season starts in June, this excuse would mean that April and May would be the biggest crowds. Again, check the stats.

 

Keep those excuses coming. I can keep shooting them down. But you're being ignorant if you think it's okay they don't go.

I see. So your part time job is Bucknor's face mask. Man, you sure took a beating that game. :whistle You missed the point entirely...or ignored it. I never said if he was safe or not. You are right, I wasn't in position to really tell. I booed the call, and then just got on with the game secure in the knowledge that one call at home plate wouldn't be the reason if we lost. The play was a bang-bang and the ball beat him there. Most of the time that call goes the way it did. Not just my opinion on that. It's a pretty well known fact, one even Hammer stated. Take the human element out of the game and we have no where near the same game. That's not something I am willing to trade off. And I have always been a firm believer in the fact that those types of calls even themselves out during the course of 162 games. (Heck, even IP dosen't work all the time. Ask a Chargers fan about the game vs my Broncos.) In any case, we lost that game Saturday because of the dismal stats we put up AGAIN in the categories that we have been dismal in ALL SEASON. It's why I will VERY RARELY point fingers at any one player, coach, or ump.

 

And BTW...Your comments about me complaining about attendance isn't going to change anything. I'll never stop; because it is an embarassment to the South Florida Marlins fan base to be consistently the worst drawing team in MLB. I refuse to just ignore it in hopes it will go away just because I don't like it... :thumbup Guess that's a difference of opinion we will both have to live with. If I happen to think about it at the time, I will put a special message up before any post I am going to complain about attendance so you won't have to bother reading it. But I make no promises.

 

Alright, whatever you say Bob, but like i said before...it was not "bang bang". It was quite clear that he was safe. Just a blown call that we can't do anything about, so I'll stop talking about it. Whats done is done

 

And Bob, don't you think there is a reason the Marlins have top 10 TV ratings and draw so poorly? Did it ever occur to you that Dolphin Stadium is hands down the worst place in MLB to witness a baseball game?

 

It's either scorching hot/muggy or pouring rain. Not to mention it's a football stadium. I don't blame people for not showing up to the games...the place is horrible. I'm happy for people like you who ignore all of this and still support the team, but you're only being ignorant if you wonder why they don't go.

 

You forgot the 2347 other excuses for not going to the games. Heard em all. At least try to be original.

 

Really not a bad place to watch a game. Only to those that refuse to go. Every fan I have to talked to from other teams actually like the place. East to get to and away from. Comfortable seating. Only a few places where the sight lines are bad. Far from the worst place I ever watched a game at. But most teams now have new stadiums, so comparing really isn't fair.

 

Night games are very comfortable. Usually a cool breeze. Day games the only place to sit is in the 200 section. And as this year wore on, many people discovered that. Day games in South Florida are moronic after April and early May.

 

Might want to check on that "pouring rain" thing before you use that one. Very few games are rained out or postponed. Check the stats and then compare them to other teams. Bet we are at least middle of the road there compared to other open air facilities. South Florida gets thunderstorms in the afternoons. Generally not at night. And seeing our rainy season starts in June, this excuse would mean that April and May would be the biggest crowds. Again, check the stats.

 

Keep those excuses coming. I can keep shooting them down. But you're being ignorant if you think it's okay they don't go.

I agree with most of those reasons and you know I go to a ton of games.

I see. So your part time job is Bucknor's face mask. Man, you sure took a beating that game. :whistle You missed the point entirely...or ignored it. I never said if he was safe or not. You are right, I wasn't in position to really tell. I booed the call, and then just got on with the game secure in the knowledge that one call at home plate wouldn't be the reason if we lost. The play was a bang-bang and the ball beat him there. Most of the time that call goes the way it did. Not just my opinion on that. It's a pretty well known fact, one even Hammer stated. Take the human element out of the game and we have no where near the same game. That's not something I am willing to trade off. And I have always been a firm believer in the fact that those types of calls even themselves out during the course of 162 games. (Heck, even IP dosen't work all the time. Ask a Chargers fan about the game vs my Broncos.) In any case, we lost that game Saturday because of the dismal stats we put up AGAIN in the categories that we have been dismal in ALL SEASON. It's why I will VERY RARELY point fingers at any one player, coach, or ump.

 

And BTW...Your comments about me complaining about attendance isn't going to change anything. I'll never stop; because it is an embarassment to the South Florida Marlins fan base to be consistently the worst drawing team in MLB. I refuse to just ignore it in hopes it will go away just because I don't like it... :thumbup Guess that's a difference of opinion we will both have to live with. If I happen to think about it at the time, I will put a special message up before any post I am going to complain about attendance so you won't have to bother reading it. But I make no promises.

 

Alright, whatever you say Bob, but like i said before...it was not "bang bang". It was quite clear that he was safe. Just a blown call that we can't do anything about, so I'll stop talking about it. Whats done is done

 

And Bob, don't you think there is a reason the Marlins have top 10 TV ratings and draw so poorly? Did it ever occur to you that Dolphin Stadium is hands down the worst place in MLB to witness a baseball game?

 

It's either scorching hot/muggy or pouring rain. Not to mention it's a football stadium. I don't blame people for not showing up to the games...the place is horrible. I'm happy for people like you who ignore all of this and still support the team, but you're only being ignorant if you wonder why they don't go.

 

You forgot the 2347 other excuses for not going to the games. Heard em all. At least try to be original.

 

Really not a bad place to watch a game. Only to those that refuse to go. Every fan I have to talked to from other teams actually like the place. East to get to and away from. Comfortable seating. Only a few places where the sight lines are bad. Far from the worst place I ever watched a game at. But most teams now have new stadiums, so comparing really isn't fair.

 

Night games are very comfortable. Usually a cool breeze. Day games the only place to sit is in the 200 section. And as this year wore on, many people discovered that. Day games in South Florida are moronic after April and early May.

 

Might want to check on that "pouring rain" thing before you use that one. Very few games are rained out or postponed. Check the stats and then compare them to other teams. Bet we are at least middle of the road there compared to other open air facilities. South Florida gets thunderstorms in the afternoons. Generally not at night. And seeing our rainy season starts in June, this excuse would mean that April and May would be the biggest crowds. Again, check the stats.

 

Keep those excuses coming. I can keep shooting them down. But you're being ignorant if you think it's okay they don't go.

I agree with most of those reasons and you know I go to a ton of games.

 

You are confusing "reasons" with "excuses." I have no problem with good reasons. But so far everything I have read is nothing but excuses. And poor ones at that.

 

So you think it is okay for someone that chooses to live in South Florida to complain it's too hot?? Or too muggy? To me that's along the same lines as saying "The way we do it in NY is..." when they left NY because they didn't like the way things were done.

 

Why is it not too hot or the threat of rain dosen't stop the fans from certain other teams to outnumber us? Why is that place not stuffed in April and May by Marlins fans before the weather drives them to their a/c living rooms? Trying to tell me no body in South Florida goes outside for any amount of time in the summer?? House-to-car-to-job-to-car-to-house. 4 or 5 months out of the year.

 

And that's just a start on exploding the heat/humidty excuse. No one even wants to comment on the number of games delayed or postponed here compared to other open air facilities in MLB. And that would just be a start on exploding that excuse.

 

Those of us that do go must be thought of as idiots by the excuse makers for attending games under these outrageous conditions. They will never outright say it, but if they consider themselves too smart or too good to put up with it, then... You figure it out, my friend.

 

Our poor attendance record is an insult and embarassment to the South Florida fan base. Plain and simple. Ignoring it won't make it go away.