So bad calls be damned?

 

I wish

is there any way they can review this and see? just wondering

is there any way they can review this and see? just wondering

 

No, it's not like a protest was filed or it was anything super extreme, just your run of the mill Buck-up... (heh, see what I did there?)

is there any way they can review this and see? just wondering

 

No, it's not like a protest was filed or it was anything super extreme, just your run of the mill Buck-up... (heh, see what I did there?)

 

lol yea and fredi should have shown more emotion...at least get kicked out hes like 'excuse me mr umpire good call"

CB Bucknor is, without a doubt, the worst umpire in the big leagues, if this were an isolated incident, yes, absolutely I would focus more on our team, but it seems that EVERY time Bucknor is on that field (especially behind the plate) he makes a critical error, there's only so many time you can use the "human error" excuse before it becomes general incompetence...

 

Here's a quick exercise, name every major league umpire you can... on average you should only be able to name a handful, and out of that handful, 99% of those will be umpires that are horrible... outside of being friends with an ump or being ridiculously fanatical, fans should basically not know umpires by name... but the fact that most people know Bucknor by name, and associate him with being horrible at his job speaks volumes...

 

You wanna give the team blame? Fine, super, do that... but the umpire should NEVER be directly responsible for changing the outcome of a game... yes, it would mean a tied game, but a tied game gives the advantage to the home team, increasing our chances of winning...

Thank you! Before the game started I turned to my friend and said "oh crap, we have CB Buckner behind the plate tonight. I hate this guy!" As you pointed out, like most people, I don't know all the umpires but I NEVER forget Buckner. He has managed to have a successful career built on suckitude.

 

I had a bad feeling about the outcome of the game after the 2 errors and there's no denying the players can take plenty of blame but Buckner's call was a killer. I honestly couldn't tell if Cantu was safe from my seat but there was someone sitting a couple of rows behind me with headphones who was freaking out saying he was safe. It's the home plate umpire's job to be in position to make the correct call in that situation.

 

Erick, please find someone more worthy to defend. Buckner flat out sucks at his job and the whole world knows it. This is not a fluke.

I partially agree with Erick. Although it is obvious now that C.B. Buckner blew the call, I don't think all the blame falls on his shoulders. The Marlins had plenty of opportunities to drive in runs and they simply failed to produce hits. The team failed miserably offensively tonight and constantly left players stranded. I know we expect the umpires to do their jobs and to do them correctly and I understand that Buckner may very well be the worst umpire in the MLB but the Marlins simply did not perform up to par and they (a long with the ump) deserve as much blame.

I don't understand why people on this thread are blaming Buckner to such an extreme extent. I know its unfair that his one call completely changed the outcome of the game but had the Marlins actually hit the ball tonight his call wouldn't have had such an impact. Consider for example the game against the Astros in which Josh Willingham was called out for supposedly leaving third base too early. Of course I'm not saying that the Marlins have to score 14 runs in every game to guarantee a win but if they had been able to hit or score with runners in scoring position at all tonight perhaps Buckner's call wouldn't have been the deciding factor in the game. I just hope the Marlins don't regress in their August hitting slump but that would really suck.

Lol, i hadnt realized that blown call that involved cantu was in the eigth inning. Now i realize why all the posters are upset. But still, C.B doesnt deserve all the blame hes getting, but he deserves a good portion.

Yeah seriously....blaming the ump is for Mets and Phillies fans. Maybe if Uggla or Willingham could hit the damn ball out of the infield we could have scored a run or two. Or if Andino wasn't asleep on second base he could have moved to third and scored on the next ground ball. Its a good thing Andino is such a talented player!!!

 

I thought I was the only one that noticed the non-running by Andino. He should have been on his horse the moment he saw the play going to home. Oh well. What could have been. In a close game running on contact is a good thing. The ball was nicely thrown and beat Cantu to the plate. That is an out almost every time.

 

Exciting game to be at. Predominately a Marlins crowd, which was a bit surprising. Very vocal and supporting. The scoreboard watching made it even better.

Anyone else not surprised Erick started this thread?

 

He's always quick to defend people who deserve criticism. Of course Bucknor didn't single handedly change the outcome of the game...but he blew a call that was a major determinent of the outcome of the game.

 

 

 

And Cantu, Uggla, Andino, Anibal Sanchez (throwing error) to be specific...also played a BIG part. That won't get as much criticism, however. UMPIRE SUCKS! :whistle

 

But all of that wouldn't have mattered had Bucknor made the proper call. See what I'm saying? Nobody is saying the team should have NO blame. They certainly desevre SOME blame, but Bucknor deserves MORE blame.

 

I'm guessing all you people that are complaining about that call were at home watching on TV and have the luxury of instant replay. Because at the game we weren't complaining about it. It looked real close, the ball beat him there, and 99% of the time that call goes the way it did.

 

Division rivals at the end of the season, the final homestand on an absolutely beautiful Saturday night, and both teams are fighting for the playoffs. Yeah. A new ball park will help our attendance figures.

Bucknor made a mistake at his job...like the Marlins' players made mistakes at theirs' tonight. It's part of life.

 

That's not the issue at hand... the issue is that Bucknor is the worst umpire, this is the general feeling among fans, players and coaches...

 

Now, if you were the worst at something, you wouldn't have that job very long... Bucknor does... look at the NFL, Refs that are poorly rated can't officiate "big games" yet Bucknor just got the biggest job (home plate) in a very big game, despite being awful at this job...

 

Bucknor consistently makes mistakes at his job... he should be fired ASAP... but whatever, it's ok to rationalize consistently poor performance now?

 

 

Nope.

Bucknor isn't a good umpire.

But I'm talking about the one specific play and one specific game tonight.

The Marlins didn't do the little things tonight to win the game. They went 1-11 with .RISP and made 2 unnecessary throwing errors. That didn't help. That isn't getting near as much publicity as Bucknor tonight, however.

 

Our 3-7 hitters went 2 for 18. Nice job.

I would like to give you guys something else to think about. Why do you let Maybin hit against the best closer in the game when he wiffed three times tonight? Why not put a seasoned pro up there. As a matter of fact I thought he was crazy putting up Mc Pherson as well. These guys need alittle more plat appearences before you put them in a game of this importance facing the best closer in the National league.

 

I think alittle of this loss falls on Fredi too but to be honest I blame Cantu for this more than anyone. The error (which he always gets a free pass on) and as far as I'm concerned a base running error as well. But I know he only has made 21 errors this year but no matter he's the man.

 

I think that's only his 3rd or 4th error since the ASB. Some here were wise enought at the start of the season to say he would be making errors the first half of the season while he learned the "new" position, but by the ASB he should have calmed down. He did, and he has. It's one of the examples of how stats can lie or be used to come to the wrong conclusion if that conclusion fits yoyr point of view. The base running blunder I don't consider a blunder at all. Close, low scoring game, 8th inning with a guy that hasn't blown a save all year coming in next, the hitters behind him haven't done squat all night, so he goes on contact. If Fredi didn't call for that to happen, he should have.

CB Bucknor is, without a doubt, the worst umpire in the big leagues, if this were an isolated incident, yes, absolutely I would focus more on our team, but it seems that EVERY time Bucknor is on that field (especially behind the plate) he makes a critical error, there's only so many time you can use the "human error" excuse before it becomes general incompetence...

 

Here's a quick exercise, name every major league umpire you can... on average you should only be able to name a handful, and out of that handful, 99% of those will be umpires that are horrible... outside of being friends with an ump or being ridiculously fanatical, fans should basically not know umpires by name... but the fact that most people know Bucknor by name, and associate him with being horrible at his job speaks volumes...

 

You wanna give the team blame? Fine, super, do that... but the umpire should NEVER be directly responsible for changing the outcome of a game... yes, it would mean a tied game, but a tied game gives the advantage to the home team, increasing our chances of winning...

Thank you! Before the game started I turned to my friend and said "oh crap, we have CB Buckner behind the plate tonight. I hate this guy!" As you pointed out, like most people, I don't know all the umpires but I NEVER forget Buckner. He has managed to have a successful career built on suckitude.

 

I had a bad feeling about the outcome of the game after the 2 errors and there's no denying the players can take plenty of blame but Buckner's call was a killer. I honestly couldn't tell if Cantu was safe from my seat but there was someone sitting a couple of rows behind me with headphones who was freaking out saying he was safe. It's the home plate umpire's job to be in position to make the correct call in that situation.

 

Erick, please find someone more worthy to defend. Buckner flat out sucks at his job and the whole world knows it. This is not a fluke.

 

Then he was just going by emotions. I listen to the radio at the games and they even had to go to the replay. And then they said it "looks like he may have been safe." Hammer was on deck and had a great view. He said he "may have been safe but it's one of those plays where if the ball beats you there, you are out most of the time." (paraphrasing)

 

But let's look at this. Can't blame Gregg. Can't blame Bo. Gotta have someone to blame. Let's point our finger at the ump for this one because no way can it be our fault. Personally I left that game thinking it was alot of fun and a very exciting game to be at. And complaining about all the runners we left in scoring position with less than 2 outs. The team reverted to it's old ways in that regard. I was wondering who in particular the finger pointers sitting at home on such a georgous night would be blaming for the loss. The ump never even crossed my mind.

I'm guessing all you people that are complaining about that call were at home watching on TV and have the luxury of instant replay. Because at the game we weren't complaining about it. It looked real close, the ball beat him there, and 99% of the time that call goes the way it did.

I agree. Even after the slo-mo replay, I considered the play bang-bang. The problem was Rich Waltz's exaggerated on-air reaction to it. I think that's what everyone here who watched the game on TV is going on.

Anyone else not surprised Erick started this thread?

 

He's always quick to defend people who deserve criticism. Of course Bucknor didn't single handedly change the outcome of the game...but he blew a call that was a major determinent of the outcome of the game.

 

 

 

And Cantu, Uggla, Andino, Anibal Sanchez (throwing error) to be specific...also played a BIG part. That won't get as much criticism, however. UMPIRE SUCKS! :whistle

 

But all of that wouldn't have mattered had Bucknor made the proper call. See what I'm saying? Nobody is saying the team should have NO blame. They certainly desevre SOME blame, but Bucknor deserves MORE blame.

 

I'm guessing all you people that are complaining about that call were at home watching on TV and have the luxury of instant replay. Because at the game we weren't complaining about it. It looked real close, the ball beat him there, and 99% of the time that call goes the way it did.

 

Division rivals at the end of the season, the final homestand on an absolutely beautiful Saturday night, and both teams are fighting for the playoffs. Yeah. A new ball park will help our attendance figures.

 

 

Oh god, not more attendance complaints from you! Anyway, I'm not sure if you saw the game or not, but he was clearly safe...so, yeah. Either way you look at it, Bucknor missed the call.

i was at the game...and it was clearly safe

i was at the game...and it was clearly safe

 

 

From your view point...

Hate me all you want but it was almost worth losing the game just to see him get beaned.

 

I'm glad he's not hurt but I was applauding...

Anyone else not surprised Erick started this thread?

 

He's always quick to defend people who deserve criticism. Of course Bucknor didn't single handedly change the outcome of the game...but he blew a call that was a major determinent of the outcome of the game.

 

 

 

And Cantu, Uggla, Andino, Anibal Sanchez (throwing error) to be specific...also played a BIG part. That won't get as much criticism, however. UMPIRE SUCKS! :whistle

 

But all of that wouldn't have mattered had Bucknor made the proper call. See what I'm saying? Nobody is saying the team should have NO blame. They certainly desevre SOME blame, but Bucknor deserves MORE blame.

 

I'm guessing all you people that are complaining about that call were at home watching on TV and have the luxury of instant replay. Because at the game we weren't complaining about it. It looked real close, the ball beat him there, and 99% of the time that call goes the way it did.

 

Division rivals at the end of the season, the final homestand on an absolutely beautiful Saturday night, and both teams are fighting for the playoffs. Yeah. A new ball park will help our attendance figures.

 

 

Oh god, not more attendance complaints from you! Anyway, I'm not sure if you saw the game or not, but he was clearly safe...so, yeah. Either way you look at it, Bucknor missed the call.

 

 

Yep. I will always complain about attendance. And those that don't go, sit at home watching big games like this one, and complain about others comments on the poor attendance will whine whenever it is brought up.

 

Not sure if I saw the game?? Told ya. I was there. Bucknor may not have had a clear enough view and got the call wrong. I have no idea because I didn't have the luxury of numerous instant replay shots. But he called it right. Even Hammer so much as said so. Plus shall we go back and name the games we won because of bad calls?? (probably not, can't do any finger pointing that way) But I would think going 1 for 12 with RISP, 2 errors, and K'ing 16 times that game had alot more to do with the loss than one call at home. Check those same stats out for the year compared with other MLB teams and THAT is why we won't be in the play offs. It's not one players fault, one coaches fault, or one umpires fault.

I'm guessing all you people that are complaining about that call were at home watching on TV and have the luxury of instant replay. Because at the game we weren't complaining about it. It looked real close, the ball beat him there, and 99% of the time that call goes the way it did.

I agree. Even after the slo-mo replay, I considered the play bang-bang. The problem was Rich Waltz's exaggerated on-air reaction to it. I think that's what everyone here who watched the game on TV is going on.

 

Rich is pretty emotional at times. And the crowd for this game was pretty electric. There was a playoff atmosphere through the whole game. Almost the entire crowd was standing and cheering for alot of plays. And unlike most home games vs the Phillies (and Mets) it was decidedly Marlins. There were alot of Phillies fans there, just not as loud as you would expect them to be considering the circumstances. It seemed like they just knew we were going to come back and win it so they were being reserved. That had to have an effect on him as well.

Yep. I will always complain about attendance. And those that don't go, sit at home watching big games like this one, and complain about others comments on the poor attendance will whine whenever it is brought up.

 

Not sure if I saw the game?? Told ya. I was there. Bucknor may not have had a clear enough view and got the call wrong. I have no idea because I didn't have the luxury of numerous instant replay shots. But he called it right. Even Hammer so much as said so. Plus shall we go back and name the games we won because of bad calls?? (probably not, can't do any finger pointing that way) But I would think going 1 for 12 with RISP, 2 errors, and K'ing 16 times that game had alot more to do with the loss than one call at home. Check those same stats out for the year compared with other MLB teams and THAT is why we won't be in the play offs. It's not one players fault, one coaches fault, or one umpires fault.

 

Please, buddy. If you werent near the play, then don't make any comments on it. You were hundreds of feet away up in the stands...so obviously you didn't see the play. And by the way, you complaining about attendance isn't going to change anything :thumbup

I'm guessing all you people that are complaining about that call were at home watching on TV and have the luxury of instant replay. Because at the game we weren't complaining about it. It looked real close, the ball beat him there, and 99% of the time that call goes the way it did.

I agree. Even after the slo-mo replay, I considered the play bang-bang. The problem was Rich Waltz's exaggerated on-air reaction to it. I think that's what everyone here who watched the game on TV is going on.

 

Where were you sitting? From my viewpoint it looked safe and it also looked safe for about 90 percent of the people sitting around me and they all applauded when Bucknor got hit.

I'm guessing all you people that are complaining about that call were at home watching on TV and have the luxury of instant replay. Because at the game we weren't complaining about it. It looked real close, the ball beat him there, and 99% of the time that call goes the way it did.

I agree. Even after the slo-mo replay, I considered the play bang-bang. The problem was Rich Waltz's exaggerated on-air reaction to it. I think that's what everyone here who watched the game on TV is going on.

Where were you sitting? From my viewpoint it looked safe and it also looked safe for about 90 percent of the people sitting around me and they all applauded when Bucknor got hit.

Are you asking me or Bob? Because I wasn't there. I watched on TV; hence, the Waltz comment.

 

For the record: yes, I do believe Cant? was safe. But, was it the worst call ever by CB? Hardly. Also, on a close play like that, most fans in attendance will lean towards whatever call favors their team -- whether they saw it or not.

You guys continue to say "this game shouldn't have been decided by the umpire..." or it was clear..."HE WAS RIGHT THERE! Rich wasn't!" :whistle

 

First off, correct me if I'm wrong...but Rich & Conine have TV monitor's in the booth. No?

 

Second...be honest, for once. If that call had gone the other way...are you all crying like the baby up top? The answer is no. And I know this b/c we don't complain or whine, when a call goes the Marlins way. You don't hear these comments when a call goes the Marlins way. When a call goes the Marlins way, we talk about a great game, and all the great things the team did to win the game. Well...last night it went the other way, on a play that wasn't as obvious as some of you make it sound (the friggin ball got there before Cantu did...he shouldn't have gone).

another reason i just remembered that we might have lost is Because Anibal couldnt bunt anyone over in i belive 2 AB's with 0 outs

 

Correct me if I'm wrong

another reason i just remembered that we might have lost is Because Anibal couldnt bunt anyone over in i belive 2 AB's with 0 outs

 

Correct me if I'm wrong

 

 

Anibal pitched well but couldent bunt at all or thorw to 1st however fredo stole 2nd once to save him on a bunt he let go right down the pipe.