Anyone else not surprised Erick started this thread?

 

He's always quick to defend people who deserve criticism. Of course Bucknor didn't single handedly change the outcome of the game...but he blew a call that was a major determinent of the outcome of the game.

 

 

 

And Cantu, Uggla, Andino, Anibal Sanchez (throwing error) to be specific...also played a BIG part. That won't get as much criticism, however. UMPIRE SUCKS! :whistle

 

I get what you say man, but those are two independent mistakes. The fact that we had already made mistakes does NOT take anything from the fact that the ump BLEW the call. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Of course it does, IF Cantu doesn't run (which he shouldn't have) then there is no call to blow. So yest one has something to do with the other. Should have been a non call because Cantu should have still been on third.

Anyone else not surprised Erick started this thread?

 

He's always quick to defend people who deserve criticism. Of course Bucknor didn't single handedly change the outcome of the game...but he blew a call that was a major determinent of the outcome of the game.

 

 

 

And Cantu, Uggla, Andino, Anibal Sanchez (throwing error) to be specific...also played a BIG part. That won't get as much criticism, however. UMPIRE SUCKS! :whistle

 

But all of that wouldn't have mattered had Bucknor made the proper call. See what I'm saying? Nobody is saying the team should have NO blame. They certainly desevre SOME blame, but Bucknor deserves MORE blame.

 

But he doesn't deserve MORE blame. If anything, he deserves an EQUAL amount of blame. Plus...how the hell do the Marlins win if Bucknor calls him safe? A 3-3 game = a W now?

 

 

its called momentum, a tying run scoring and guys on 1st and 2nd wit no outs is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the frustration after a missed call and 1st and 2nd wit no outs, down by 1

 

But your forgetting those two unearned runs the phillies scored on terrible Defense by Sanchez and cantu. C.B doesnt deserve any blame for that, the marlins do.

ignorance imo

 

LOL! Ignorance? Do you even know the definition of ignorance? You're kidding me, right? If anything, you're being ignorant for saying that I do something, which I don't even do.

Anyone else not surprised Erick started this thread?

 

He's always quick to defend people who deserve criticism. Of course Bucknor didn't single handedly change the outcome of the game...but he blew a call that was a major determinent of the outcome of the game.

 

 

 

And Cantu, Uggla, Andino, Anibal Sanchez (throwing error) to be specific...also played a BIG part. That won't get as much criticism, however. UMPIRE SUCKS! :whistle

 

I get what you say man, but those are two independent mistakes. The fact that we had already made mistakes does NOT take anything from the fact that the ump BLEW the call. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Of course it does, IF Cantu doesn't run (which he shouldn't have) then there is no call to blow. So yest one has something to do with the other. Should have been a non call because Cantu should have still been on third.

 

That doesn't matter though. While it is true that Cantu should probably not have been running, he was still safe.

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He's always quick to defend people who deserve criticism. Of course Bucknor didn't single handedly change the outcome of the game...but he blew a call that was a major determinent of the outcome of the game.

 

 

And Cantu, Uggla, Andino, Anibal Sanchez (throwing error) to be specific...also played a BIG part. That won't get as much criticism, however. UMPIRE SUCKS! :whistle

 

But all of that wouldn't have mattered had Bucknor made the proper call. See what I'm saying? Nobody is saying the team should have NO blame. They certainly desevre SOME blame, but Bucknor deserves MORE blame.

 

But he doesn't deserve MORE blame. If anything, he deserves an EQUAL amount of blame. Plus...how the hell do the Marlins win if Bucknor calls him safe? A 3-3 game = a W now?

 

 

its called momentum, a tying run scoring and guys on 1st and 2nd wit no outs is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the frustration after a missed call and 1st and 2nd wit no outs, down by 1

 

But your forgetting those two unearned runs the phillies scored on terrible Defense by Sanchez and cantu. C.B doesnt deserve any blame for that, the marlins do.

 

 

I don't remember saying the marlins don't deserve any blame, hell they are the reason they fell into that hole, but Erick is saying not to blame C.B at all. We worked to get ourselves to that point, we expect the umps to do there job and make the calls right, and we did have the momentum, just a shame an ump decides a crucial game like that

Anyone else not surprised Erick started this thread?

 

He's always quick to defend people who deserve criticism. Of course Bucknor didn't single handedly change the outcome of the game...but he blew a call that was a major determinent of the outcome of the game.

 

 

 

And Cantu, Uggla, Andino, Anibal Sanchez (throwing error) to be specific...also played a BIG part. That won't get as much criticism, however. UMPIRE SUCKS! :whistle

 

But all of that wouldn't have mattered had Bucknor made the proper call. See what I'm saying? Nobody is saying the team should have NO blame. They certainly desevre SOME blame, but Bucknor deserves MORE blame.

 

But he doesn't deserve MORE blame. If anything, he deserves an EQUAL amount of blame. Plus...how the hell do the Marlins win if Bucknor calls him safe? A 3-3 game = a W now?

 

If Bucknor didn't blow the call, the Marlins would have had a VERY VERY VERY good opportunity to win the game...but because Bucknor (who btw, is rated by the players as the worst umpire in the league by a large margin) blew the game, the marlins were robbed of that opportunity. Therefore, Bucknor deserves heavy blame for the loss.

 

 

Willingham didn't do anything (as has been the case, since he's comeback from the DL)...and Cody Ross K'd.

There's no guarantee we win that game, even if Bucknor does call him safe.

ignorance imo

 

LOL! Ignorance? Do you even know the definition of ignorance? You're kidding me, right? If anything, you're being ignorant for saying that I do something, which I don't even do.

 

 

forget it dude, ur ignorant because u aren't willing to listen to anybodys opinion other than urself, and u do not want to hear anybody elses side of the spectrum, that is why i am calling u ignorant, because u are ignorant in this situation,

CB Bucknor is, without a doubt, the worst umpire in the big leagues, if this were an isolated incident, yes, absolutely I would focus more on our team, but it seems that EVERY time Bucknor is on that field (especially behind the plate) he makes a critical error, there's only so many time you can use the "human error" excuse before it becomes general incompetence...

 

Here's a quick exercise, name every major league umpire you can... on average you should only be able to name a handful, and out of that handful, 99% of those will be umpires that are horrible... outside of being friends with an ump or being ridiculously fanatical, fans should basically not know umpires by name... but the fact that most people know Bucknor by name, and associate him with being horrible at his job speaks volumes...

 

You wanna give the team blame? Fine, super, do that... but the umpire should NEVER be directly responsible for changing the outcome of a game... yes, it would mean a tied game, but a tied game gives the advantage to the home team, increasing our chances of winning...

That doesn't matter though. While it is true that Cantu should probably not have been running, he was still safe.

 

 

Really easy to say when you can watch the replay after the actual play occurs.

I will blame who ever the heck i want. But yeah it wasnt all his fault. But Im pretty sure Cantu going was decided by fredi before the play happned. Andino made a mentall mistake not going to third.

Willingham didn't do anything (as has been the case, since he's comeback from the DL)...and Cody Ross K'd.

There's no guarantee we win that game, even if Bucknor does call him safe.

 

Who is guaranteeing we would have won the game?

 

At least if Bucknor called him rightfully safe, we would at least had a decent shot at winning the ballgame.

 

Btw, you bring up the Cody K, that was another bad call. It actually hit his hand, so he should have been on first base.

I don't remember saying the marlins don't deserve any blame, hell they are the reason they fell into that hole, but Erick is saying not to blame C.B at all. We worked to get ourselves to that point, we expect the umps to do there job and make the calls right, and we did have the momentum, just a shame an ump decides a crucial game like that

 

No, Erick said C.B doesnt deserve as much blame as you guys are giving him. read before you post dude

That doesn't matter though. While it is true that Cantu should probably not have been running, he was still safe.

 

 

Really easy to say when you can watch the replay after the actual play occurs.

 

 

are we getting paid to make that decision? NO, that is where the difference is

forget it dude, ur ignorant because u aren't willing to listen to anybodys opinion other than urself, and u do not want to hear anybody elses side of the spectrum, that is why i am calling u ignorant, because u are ignorant in this situation,

 

 

So I'm ignorant for having an argument? Which oh btw is the same exact thing you're doing? Great. You'd do real well working for a dictatorship. If you can't handle the debate...leave the thread.

 

*And learn how to spell.*

I dont get how anyone should say that Cantu shouldnt have ran... he was SAFE, so to me, his decision to run was fine cause it was the right move...just a bad call...

 

and Andino not going to third was overrated...if he was at third, Rollins would have been moved in and Josh's ground ball would have been Andino out at the plate... the Andino thing is getting too much hype, its all hypothetical...

 

Bucknor's missed call isnt hypothetical, its just a fact that he missed it...

 

I do think umps should be held more accountable for missed calls...

I don't remember saying the marlins don't deserve any blame, hell they are the reason they fell into that hole, but Erick is saying not to blame C.B at all. We worked to get ourselves to that point, we expect the umps to do there job and make the calls right, and we did have the momentum, just a shame an ump decides a crucial game like that

 

No, Erick said C.B doesnt deserve as much blame as you guys are giving him. read before you post dude

 

 

well then yes i agree he does not deserve all the blame, but does deserve a lot, just because of how big of a decision that was, and when u get paid to make that decision, u sure as hell better make it right

Willingham didn't do anything (as has been the case, since he's comeback from the DL)...and Cody Ross K'd.

There's no guarantee we win that game, even if Bucknor does call him safe.

 

Who is guaranteeing we would have won the game?

 

At least if Bucknor called him rightfully safe, we would at least had a decent shot at winning the ballgame.

 

Btw, you bring up the Cody K, that was another bad call. It actually hit his hand, so he should have been on first base.

 

 

No, it looked like it hit the end of the bat, not his hand. But it could have gone either way

forget it dude, ur ignorant because u aren't willing to listen to anybodys opinion other than urself, and u do not want to hear anybody elses side of the spectrum, that is why i am calling u ignorant, because u are ignorant in this situation,

 

 

So I'm ignorant for having an argument? Which oh btw is the same exact thing you're doing? Great. You'd do real well working for a dictatorship. If you can't handle the debate...leave the thread.

 

*And learn how to spell.*

 

 

dude, its called the internet, i'd go to english class if i wanted to learn to spell, but its the internet, so NO

are we getting paid to make that decision? NO, that is where the difference is

 

 

Dan Uggla gets paid more to hit the ball out of the infield with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs. Kevin Gregg gets paid not to blow saves...Andino gets paid to know he's supposed to move up to 3B on that groundball. Anibal Sanchez gets paid to not make a dumb throwing error (with the pitcher running).

 

Bucknor made a mistake at his job...like the Marlins' players made mistakes at theirs' tonight. It's part of life.

Really easy to say when you can watch the replay after the actual play occurs.

 

 

are we getting paid to make that decision? NO, that is where the difference is

 

 

that doesnt make any sense?

yea th umpire had a big part in us losing, i was at the game. well i go tomorrow....still having playoff hopes but w/e

dude, its called the internet, i'd go to english class if i wanted to learn to spell, but its the internet, so NO

 

Ignorant. :whistle

Really easy to say when you can watch the replay after the actual play occurs.

 

 

are we getting paid to make that decision? NO, that is where the difference is

 

 

that doesnt make any sense?

 

 

sorry if u don't know how that makes sense, since we aren't getting paid, the ump is responsible for making the right call, he gets paid to do it. He is on that field to make the right call. In a crucial moment, u expect the teams to decide the game, not the ump, and its more about the rule of replay itself that ticks me off, not Bucknor

Really easy to say when you can watch the replay after the actual play occurs.

 

But it was clear, even in real time, that his foot went through Ruiz' foot and into the plate before the tag was even applied.

 

Please, get off CB Bucknor's wang and come to reality. THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME WAS ALTERED ON BEHALF OF A MISJUDGMENT BY CB BUCKNOR. There is no denying that... no matter how many times you say "ohh, well we should have done this, or this could have happened...or if this player didn't make an error then we wouldn't have lost.

 

Listen, like i said before, there are plenty of reasons why the Marlins lost tonight's game...but CB Bucknor is a big reason why.

Bucknor made a mistake at his job...like the Marlins' players made mistakes at theirs' tonight. It's part of life.

 

That's not the issue at hand... the issue is that Bucknor is the worst umpire, this is the general feeling among fans, players and coaches...

 

Now, if you were the worst at something, you wouldn't have that job very long... Bucknor does... look at the NFL, Refs that are poorly rated can't officiate "big games" yet Bucknor just got the biggest job (home plate) in a very big game, despite being awful at this job...

 

Bucknor consistently makes mistakes at his job... he should be fired ASAP... but whatever, it's ok to rationalize consistently poor performance now?