September 21, 200818 yr Author Really easy to say when you can watch the replay after the actual play occurs. But it was clear, even in real time, that his foot went through Ruiz' foot and into the plate before the tag was even applied. It was so clear that the announcers (Waltz and Conine) NEEDED REPLAY to determine if Cantu was safe or not. It certainly was THAT clear.
September 21, 200818 yr Really easy to say when you can watch the replay after the actual play occurs. But it was clear, even in real time, that his foot went through Ruiz' foot and into the plate before the tag was even applied. It was so clear that the announcers (Waltz and Conine) NEEDED REPLAY to determine if Cantu was safe or not. It certainly was THAT clear. Are Rich and Jeff on the field? Are they right next to the play? NO, Bucknor needs to get in position to see that call
September 21, 200818 yr Really easy to say when you can watch the replay after the actual play occurs. But it was clear, even in real time, that his foot went through Ruiz' foot and into the plate before the tag was even applied. It was so clear that the announcers (Waltz and Conine) NEEDED REPLAY to determine if Cantu was safe or not. It certainly was THAT clear. Waltz and Conine both thought it was bang-bang and there was skepticism in Waltz's voice when he segued into the replay... Waltz, from much farther away than Bucknor certainly, at the very least, FELT that Cantu was safe
September 21, 200818 yr Really easy to say when you can watch the replay after the actual play occurs. But it was clear, even in real time, that his foot went through Ruiz' foot and into the plate before the tag was even applied. It was so clear that the announcers (Waltz and Conine) NEEDED REPLAY to determine if Cantu was safe or not. It certainly was THAT clear. Moot point. Rich Waltz and Conine are watching from a booth about 75 yards from where the play actually occured. Bucknor was RIGHT THERE.
September 21, 200818 yr sorry if u don't know how that makes sense, since we aren't getting paid, the ump is responsible for making the right call, he gets paid to do it. He is on that field to make the right call. In a crucial moment, u expect the teams to decide the game, not the ump, and its more about the rule of replay itself that ticks me off, not Bucknor Ok, but thats life. C.B made a mistake just like the marlins. yes, he F**** us up, but the marlins werent making it any easier on themselves with those 2 errors.
September 21, 200818 yr Author Bucknor made a mistake at his job...like the Marlins' players made mistakes at theirs' tonight. It's part of life. That's not the issue at hand... the issue is that Bucknor is the worst umpire, this is the general feeling among fans, players and coaches... Now, if you were the worst at something, you wouldn't have that job very long... Bucknor does... look at the NFL, Refs that are poorly rated can't officiate "big games" yet Bucknor just got the biggest job (home plate) in a very big game, despite being awful at this job... Bucknor consistently makes mistakes at his job... he should be fired ASAP... but whatever, it's ok to rationalize consistently poor performance now? Nope. Bucknor isn't a good umpire. But I'm talking about the one specific play and one specific game tonight. The Marlins didn't do the little things tonight to win the game. They went 1-11 with .RISP and made 2 unnecessary throwing errors. That didn't help. That isn't getting near as much publicity as Bucknor tonight, however.
September 21, 200818 yr I would like to give you guys something else to think about. Why do you let Maybin hit against the best closer in the game when he wiffed three times tonight? Why not put a seasoned pro up there. As a matter of fact I thought he was crazy putting up Mc Pherson as well. These guys need alittle more plat appearences before you put them in a game of this importance facing the best closer in the National league. I think alittle of this loss falls on Fredi too but to be honest I blame Cantu for this more than anyone. The error (which he always gets a free pass on) and as far as I'm concerned a base running error as well. But I know he only has made 21 errors this year but no matter he's the man.
September 21, 200818 yr sorry if u don't know how that makes sense, since we aren't getting paid, the ump is responsible for making the right call, he gets paid to do it. He is on that field to make the right call. In a crucial moment, u expect the teams to decide the game, not the ump, and its more about the rule of replay itself that ticks me off, not Bucknor Ok, but thats life. C.B made a mistake just like the marlins. yes, he F**** us up, but the marlins werent making it any easier on themselves with those 2 errors. but they did put themselves in position to make up for those mistakes, not fair to do that, and still not be able to be justified because of a bad call
September 21, 200818 yr I would like to give you guys something else to think about. Why do you let Maybin hit against the best closer in the game when he wiffed three times tonight? Why not put a seasoned pro up there. As a matter of fact I thought he was crazy putting up Mc Pherson as well. These guys need alittle more plat appearences before you put them in a game of this importance facing the best closer in the National league. I think alittle of this loss falls on Fredi too but to be honest I blame Cantu for this more than anyone. The error (which he always gets a free pass on) and as far as I'm concerned a base running error as well. But I know he only has made 21 errors this year but no matter he's the man. Hanley was already out, and he wanted to save some of his reserves for extra innings just in case. Don't blame Fredi at all
September 21, 200818 yr Bucknor made a mistake at his job...like the Marlins' players made mistakes at theirs' tonight. It's part of life. That's not the issue at hand... the issue is that Bucknor is the worst umpire, this is the general feeling among fans, players and coaches... Now, if you were the worst at something, you wouldn't have that job very long... Bucknor does... look at the NFL, Refs that are poorly rated can't officiate "big games" yet Bucknor just got the biggest job (home plate) in a very big game, despite being awful at this job... Bucknor consistently makes mistakes at his job... he should be fired ASAP... but whatever, it's ok to rationalize consistently poor performance now? Nope. Bucknor isn't a good umpire. But I'm talking about the one specific play and one specific game tonight. The Marlins didn't do the little things tonight to win the game. They went 1-11 with .RISP and made 2 unnecessary throwing errors. That didn't help. That isn't getting near as much publicity as Bucknor tonight, however. omg!!! why cant you just admit the despite the fact that we f***ed up, THE UMPIRE F***ED UP LATER ON IN THE GAME WHEN IT MATTERED.
September 21, 200818 yr but they did put themselves in position to make up for those mistakes, not fair to do that, and still not be able to be justified because of a bad call Ok, so he made a mistake. Not everyone is perfect. You cant give the marlins a free pass, and be all up on C.B because he made a mistake like the marlins make mistakes.
September 21, 200818 yr Nope. Bucknor isn't a good umpire. But I'm talking about the one specific play and one specific game tonight. The Marlins didn't do the little things tonight to win the game. They went 1-11 with .RISP and made 2 unnecessary throwing errors. That didn't help. That isn't getting near as much publicity as Bucknor tonight, however. That's all fine and dandy, and we (most of us anyways, I guess) have acknowledged that there are OTHER reasons that contributed to the loss, but you absolutely CANNOT let the outcome of the game rest on something that is not within the players' control. In this case, it was Bucknor being absolutely terrible. The fact that something beyond the control of the players possibly changed that outcome of the game supersedes ANY other variables.
September 21, 200818 yr At times like thse with everyone arguing with each other is when i wish we had some fans from other teams here so we could argue with them.
September 21, 200818 yr HOLY F*** 21 ERRORS! ? Jorge Cantu has 21 errors. i though it was something like 14-15 lol
September 21, 200818 yr Bucknor made a mistake at his job...like the Marlins' players made mistakes at theirs' tonight. It's part of life. That's not the issue at hand... the issue is that Bucknor is the worst umpire, this is the general feeling among fans, players and coaches... Now, if you were the worst at something, you wouldn't have that job very long... Bucknor does... look at the NFL, Refs that are poorly rated can't officiate "big games" yet Bucknor just got the biggest job (home plate) in a very big game, despite being awful at this job... Bucknor consistently makes mistakes at his job... he should be fired ASAP... but whatever, it's ok to rationalize consistently poor performance now? Nope. Bucknor isn't a good umpire. But I'm talking about the one specific play and one specific game tonight. The Marlins didn't do the little things tonight to win the game. They went 1-11 with .RISP and made 2 unnecessary throwing errors. That didn't help. That isn't getting near as much publicity as Bucknor tonight, however. omg!!! why cant you just admit the despite the fact that we f***ed up, THE UMPIRE F***ED UP LATER ON IN THE GAME WHEN IT MATTERED. So did the marlins.
September 21, 200818 yr Ok, so he made a mistake. Not everyone is perfect. You cant give the marlins a free pass, and be all up on C.B because he made a mistake like the marlins make mistakes. of course not, we have had games like this where we didn't get the job done wit runners in scoring position and made errors, but it isn't fair to fight back, and score that tying run, but get it called an out, it just isn't fair to the guys who fought their hearts outs to lose a game like this to a call like that. We didn't do the job early, but at the end, when we put ourselves in that position to win and make up for those mistakes, to see an ump make the game decision, and make the wrong one, hurts
September 21, 200818 yr Ok, so he made a mistake. Not everyone is perfect. You cant give the marlins a free pass, and be all up on C.B because he made a mistake like the marlins make mistakes. He consistently makes mistakes... it's not a one time thing... this umpire should not have been working a game with playoff implications, let alone home plate
September 21, 200818 yr HOLY F*** 21 ERRORS! ? Jorge Cantu has 21 errors. i though it was something like 14-15 lol he had 13 of those after the 1st month and a half of the season
September 21, 200818 yr Wow Erick, just when we thought it was clear enough for even you to see, of course you continue to defend the responsible parties. I'll tell you this one more time, Erick. Yes, the players made errors that eventually had an effect on the game, but those errors would have been erased if the game were tied. They would no longer matter. The game would have essentially started from scratch. The Marlins would have runners on 1st and 2nd with the opportunity to take the lead. At the very least, they would have had a very good shot at winning the game. All of this was stolen by CB Bucknor's missed call. It was not right. We were robbed. That's all we're saying , Erick. We were robbed.
September 21, 200818 yr of course not, we have had games like this where we didn't get the job done wit runners in scoring position and made errors, but it isn't fair to fight back, and score that tying run, but get it called an out, it just isn't fair to the guys who fought their hearts outs to lose a game like this to a call like that. We didn't do the job early, but at the end, when we put ourselves in that position to win and make up for those mistakes, to see an ump make the game decision, and make the wrong one, hurts We screwed ourselves after that call to. Specifically in the 7 and 8 inning. I KNOW C.B BLOWS, AND HE DESERVES SOME BLAME, but you cant let the marlins off the hook, they blew this game just as much as he did.
September 21, 200818 yr Wow Erick, just when we thought it was clear enough for even you to see, of course you continue to defend the responsible parties. I'll tell you this one more time, Erick. Yes, the players made errors that eventually had an effect on the game, but those errors would have been erased if the game were tied. They would no longer matter. The game would have essentially started from scratch. The Marlins would have runners on 1st and 2nd with the opportunity to take the lead. At the very least, they would have had a very good shot at winning the game. All of this was stolen by CB Bucknor's missed call. It was not right. We were robbed. That's all we're saying , Erick. We were robbed. Highway robbery.
September 21, 200818 yr HOLY F*** 21 ERRORS! ? Jorge Cantu has 21 errors. i though it was something like 14-15 lol he had 13 of those after the 1st month and a half of the season Oh I see, that makes it ok.
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