September 22, 200817 yr Yeah EE isn't impressive. Horrible defensively and doesn't put up impressive offensive numbers considering the park he's in. Also, ignoring everything else, why would the Angels trade for Uggla when they have Howie Kendrick? They could use a guy like Uggla, with his power...after losing Teixiera (which will likely happen). Didn't Dan once play 3B, in the minors? Plus, in the AL, there's always the DH possibility.
September 22, 200817 yr I wonder if a Scott Olsen+John Raynor trade would work for Edwin Encarnacion, a personal favorite of mine that would fit in perfectly at third with this team. He's been rumored to be on the block and they could use both of those players. Give me a lineup of: 1. Maybin CF 2. Hermida RF 3. Hanley SS 4. Cantu 1B 5. Uggla 2B 6. Baker C 7. Encarnacion 3B 8. Ross LF 1. Josh Johnson 2. Volstad 3. Nolasco 4. Andrew Miller 5. Anibal Sanchez The bullpen will be fine, we have so many power arms to choose from; I really hope we keep Rhodes though. Encarnacion has been pretty bad this year, defensively. He's also a guy who plays in a very friendly hitters' park. His career .OPS is 82 points higher at home, than it is away from Cincinnati. Bad defensively? I don't know about that, I think the guy is one of the best defensive third baseman in baseball; his range is unbelievable. Maybe his errors say otherwise, but every time I've seen him play he is extremely impressive at the hot corner. Well...just looking at this years' statistics...he seems to be below the league average at every stat, defensively. His .RZR, specifically, is THE WORST amongst ALL ML 3B, this year.
September 22, 200817 yr EE's defense: http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbib...aders1-0507.gif i'll let lou touch the rest
September 22, 200817 yr I wonder if a Scott Olsen+John Raynor trade would work for Edwin Encarnacion, a personal favorite of mine that would fit in perfectly at third with this team. He's been rumored to be on the block and they could use both of those players. Give me a lineup of: 1. Maybin CF 2. Hermida RF 3. Hanley SS 4. Cantu 1B 5. Uggla 2B 6. Baker C 7. Encarnacion 3B 8. Ross LF 1. Josh Johnson 2. Volstad 3. Nolasco 4. Andrew Miller 5. Anibal Sanchez The bullpen will be fine, we have so many power arms to choose from; I really hope we keep Rhodes though. Encarnacion has been pretty bad this year, defensively. He's also a guy who plays in a very friendly hitters' park. His career .OPS is 82 points higher at home, than it is away from Cincinnati. Bad defensively? I don't know about that, I think the guy is one of the best defensive third baseman in baseball; his range is unbelievable. Maybe his errors say otherwise, but every time I've seen him play he is extremely impressive at the hot corner. Well...just looking at this years' statistics...he seems to be below the league average at every stat, defensively. His .RZR, specifically, is THE WORST amongst ALL ML 3B, this year. I'm a stat guy, but I absolutely loathe defensive stats as it seems to me guys with great range get penalized because they can reach more balls. For instance, I remember a couple years seeing a stat that said Andruw Jones was in the bottom half of defensive CFers according to the stats. That to me is undefendable...
September 22, 200817 yr Here we go C - John Baker 1B - Gaby Sanchez 2B - Dan Uggla SS - Hanley Ramirez 3B - Jorge Cantu LF - GOOD PROSPECT WE GET FROM A TRADE CF -Cameron Maybin RF - Jeremy Hermida
September 22, 200817 yr EE's defense: http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbib...aders1-0507.gif i'll let lou touch the rest I've never seen that before...what does it signify?
September 22, 200817 yr I wonder if a Scott Olsen+John Raynor trade would work for Edwin Encarnacion, a personal favorite of mine that would fit in perfectly at third with this team. He's been rumored to be on the block and they could use both of those players. Give me a lineup of: 1. Maybin CF 2. Hermida RF 3. Hanley SS 4. Cantu 1B 5. Uggla 2B 6. Baker C 7. Encarnacion 3B 8. Ross LF 1. Josh Johnson 2. Volstad 3. Nolasco 4. Andrew Miller 5. Anibal Sanchez The bullpen will be fine, we have so many power arms to choose from; I really hope we keep Rhodes though. You do realize Edwin is basically the worst 3B in baseball defensively. Even worse than Cantu. I can't get behind that one. Especially with having to acquire him in trade. I'd rather stick McDallas there, G. Sanchez at 1B, and trade off Olsen, Gregg, Jacobs, Willingham, and maybe Cantu. I would get a young right handed catcher and additional pitching at all levels of the organization with that, resign Gonzo to a 1 year deal, and go hard after a veteran 1B/3B type (If Loria approves a $40 million payroll, I keep Cantu. If it's $35, he goes). This is what that looks like with a $40 million limit. Lineups: RHP / LHP. Maybin / Maybin (CF) Hanley / Hanley (SS) Baker ? / Cantu (3B) Cantu-G. Sanchez / G. Sanchez (1B) Hermida / Hermida (RF) Uggla / Uggla (2B) Ross-Gonzo/ Ross (LF) McDallas (3B) / M. Ramirez ? Additional Bench - Amezaga, Andino SP - Johnson, Nolasco, Volstad, Anibal, Miller RP - Lindstrom, Nelson, Pinto, Kensing, Tucker, Mitre, Waecther (Owens if completely healthy)
September 22, 200817 yr EE's defense: http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbib...aders1-0507.gif i'll let lou touch the rest I like how you just know at this point when I'm getting angry and typing a post, before I even do it.
September 22, 200817 yr I wonder if a Scott Olsen+John Raynor trade would work for Edwin Encarnacion, a personal favorite of mine that would fit in perfectly at third with this team. He's been rumored to be on the block and they could use both of those players. Give me a lineup of: 1. Maybin CF 2. Hermida RF 3. Hanley SS 4. Cantu 1B 5. Uggla 2B 6. Baker C 7. Encarnacion 3B 8. Ross LF 1. Josh Johnson 2. Volstad 3. Nolasco 4. Andrew Miller 5. Anibal Sanchez The bullpen will be fine, we have so many power arms to choose from; I really hope we keep Rhodes though. You do realize Edwin is basically the worst 3B in baseball defensively. Even worse than Cantu. I can't get behind that one. Especially with having to acquire him in trade. I'd rather stick McDallas there, G. Sanchez at 1B, and trade off Olsen, Gregg, Jacobs, Willingham, and maybe Cantu. I would get a young right handed catcher and additional pitching at all levels of the organization with that, resign Gonzo to a 1 year deal, and go hard after a veteran 1B/3B type (If Loria approves a $40 million payroll, I keep Cantu. If it's $35, he goes). This is what that looks like with a $40 million limit. Lineups: RHP / LHP. Maybin / Maybin (CF) Hanley / Hanley (SS) Baker ? / Cantu (3B) Cantu-G. Sanchez / G. Sanchez (1B) Hermida / Hermida (RF) Uggla / Uggla (2B) Ross-Gonzo/ Ross (LF) McDallas (3B) / M. Ramirez ? Additional Bench - Amezaga, Andino SP - Johnson, Nolasco, Volstad, Anibal, Miller RP - Lindstrom, Nelson, Pinto, Kensing, Tucker, Mitre, Waecther M.Ramirez would be Max, right? How exactly did we get Max Ramirez? And why did you combine the 3B and catchers? Perhaps, I'm a bit confused. Anyways...I wouldn't mind that team. Although I'm not a huge McPherson fan.
September 22, 200817 yr LF - GOOD PROSPECT WE GET FROM A TRADE for Mike Jacobs? Jake + Oly could get us something.
September 22, 200817 yr LF - GOOD PROSPECT WE GET FROM A TRADE for Mike Jacobs? Jake + Oly could get us something. Definitely.
September 22, 200817 yr I guess I must be wrong on EE. For some reason I always thought he was one of the better defensive third basemen in the league with outstanding range, but if Lou says otherwise...in Lou I trust. Any other ideas though for a + defender at third who can OPS over .800 (on the cheap) who still has upside potential that we can obtain for a Scott Olsen/prospect package? Buys another year for Logan Morrison to spend in AA.
September 22, 200817 yr I think you're a little obsessed with position by position production. So what if Hanley is the best offensive SS in baseball? Stick him in LF...and he'd STILL be one of the best offensive LF'ers in baseball. And considering SS isn't exactly and offensive position...Aybar wouldn't be terrible, by your standards. As a matter of fact, Aybar hit over .300 basically at every level, at the minor league level. He won't provide power...but he provides everything else, practically. This is the point. We have been gifted jesus christ bananas offense at SS, and you want to move it to LF where he will be "one of the best at his position" instead of, "the best hitter in baseball." Big deal there. I'm not obsessed with positional arrangement. You just aren't getting it yet. Maximizing our production position by position is going to create the best possible team. There is nothing anyone can do to get more production from SS. You leave it there, and build around it. It's that easy. And please don't ever reference batting average by itself again.
September 22, 200817 yr I think you're a little obsessed with position by position production. So what if Hanley is the best offensive SS in baseball? Stick him in LF...and he'd STILL be one of the best offensive LF'ers in baseball. And considering SS isn't exactly and offensive position...Aybar wouldn't be terrible, by your standards. As a matter of fact, Aybar hit over .300 basically at every level, at the minor league level. He won't provide power...but he provides everything else, practically. This is the point. We have been gifted jesus christ bananas offense at SS, and you want to move it to LF where he will be "one of the best at his position" instead of, "the best hitter in baseball." Big deal there. I'm not obsessed with positional arrangement. You just aren't getting it yet. Maximizing our production position by position is going to create the best possible team. There is nothing anyone can do to get more production from SS. You leave it there, and build around it. It's that easy. And please don't ever reference batting average by itself again. You can build around "one of the best," as well. You can put Hanley at any position...he's one of the best offensive players in baseball, period. And I guess I should've put it differently with Aybar. Ok...here it goes. His career minor league .OPS is .801. Aybar is a better prospect than Uggla ever was. At the end of the day, a SS like Aybar improves the defense, tremendously. Just look at the value Jason Bartlett has provided for the Rays this year, as an example...a defensive SS who can provide some offense never hurts, when it has a good supporting cast around it.
September 22, 200817 yr I guess I must be wrong on EE. For some reason I always thought he was one of the better defensive third basemen in the league with outstanding range, but if Lou says otherwise...in Lou I trust. Any other ideas though for a + defender at third who can OPS over .800 (on the cheap) who still has upside potential that we can obtain for a Scott Olsen/prospect package? Buys another year for Logan Morrison to spend in AA. He's pretty bad. I like his bat potential, but just not a guy we should be looking at. The window for that closed when LaRoche was traded, and Ian Stewart started to hit which is going to force Atkins out of town. Maybe you still like Teahen? I'd probably pass on that though. I'd say embrace a 3 way of McDallas, Cantu, and G. Sanchez at the corners. And really, that's not a bad thing.
September 22, 200817 yr I guess I must be wrong on EE. For some reason I always thought he was one of the better defensive third basemen in the league with outstanding range, but if Lou says otherwise...in Lou I trust. Any other ideas though for a + defender at third who can OPS over .800 (on the cheap) who still has upside potential that we can obtain for a Scott Olsen/prospect package? Buys another year for Logan Morrison to spend in AA. Freddy Sanchez? He owns lefties...you can platoon McPherson and Sanchez at 3B. Sanchez is versatile, as well. Not that young though...turning 31, next year. I also think he's arbritration eligible after this season, as well...although, I'm not sure, at all of his contract status, tbh.
September 22, 200817 yr I think you're a little obsessed with position by position production. So what if Hanley is the best offensive SS in baseball? Stick him in LF...and he'd STILL be one of the best offensive LF'ers in baseball. And considering SS isn't exactly and offensive position...Aybar wouldn't be terrible, by your standards. As a matter of fact, Aybar hit over .300 basically at every level, at the minor league level. He won't provide power...but he provides everything else, practically. This is the point. We have been gifted jesus christ bananas offense at SS, and you want to move it to LF where he will be "one of the best at his position" instead of, "the best hitter in baseball." Big deal there. I'm not obsessed with positional arrangement. You just aren't getting it yet. Maximizing our production position by position is going to create the best possible team. There is nothing anyone can do to get more production from SS. You leave it there, and build around it. It's that easy. And please don't ever reference batting average by itself again. You can build around "one of the best," as well. You can put Hanley at any position...he's one of the best offensive players in baseball, period. And I guess I should've put it differently with Aybar. Ok...here it goes. His career minor league .OPS is .801. Aybar is a better prospect than Uggla ever was. At the end of the day, a SS like Aybar improves the defense, tremendously. Just look at the value Jason Bartlett has provided for the Rays this year, as an example...a defensive SS who can provide some offense never hurts, when it has a good supporting cast around it. And Aybar will never ever ever be as good as Uggla. And Bartlett is nowhere near the reason the Rays are succeeding this year, and really isn't making a big deal contribution. But those are other issues. Honestly, if you want to do that. Move Hanley to LF and play Amezaga at SS. He's better defensively than the players you mention, hits just as "good" as Aybar or Bartlett, and costs us nothing in trade. Again, missing the point. Sure, you can put Hanley anywhere and he is a plus player, but he is THE BEST shortstop in baseball and LEADS BASEBALL IN VORP and overall production including the below average defense. Why would you ever in god's name move him, when he is out producing every player in baseball at his position. This cannot help our team anyway you want to configure it, when you look at the plethora of corner options on our team and, ones always available in baseball, compared to how hard it is to find a good shortstop (and Aybar is not that). We have an enormous advantage here over other teams and you want to dismiss it just because he isn't that great defensively. You're missing the point - it's about PRODUCTION. Not about improving defense. Get the most from every slot, and that's the best team you can field. Ignore everything else on the team. What's better. LF Hanley, SS Aybar LF Cody, SS Hanley Little dudes defense, is not outweighing Cody's offensive contribution.
September 22, 200817 yr I guess I must be wrong on EE. For some reason I always thought he was one of the better defensive third basemen in the league with outstanding range, but if Lou says otherwise...in Lou I trust. Any other ideas though for a + defender at third who can OPS over .800 (on the cheap) who still has upside potential that we can obtain for a Scott Olsen/prospect package? Buys another year for Logan Morrison to spend in AA. Freddy Sanchez? He owns lefties...you can platoon McPherson and Sanchez at 3B. Sanchez is versatile, as well. Not that young though...turning 31, next year. I also think he's arbritration eligible after this season, as well...although, I'm not sure, at all of his contract status, tbh. Freddy Sanchez inf 2 years/$11M (2008-09), plus 2010 club option re-signed 2/5/08 (avoided arbitration, $4.9M-$4.1M) $0.3M signing bonus 08:$4M, 09:$6.1M, 10:$8M club option ($0.6M buyout) You should really embrace this website - http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com
September 22, 200817 yr I think you're a little obsessed with position by position production. So what if Hanley is the best offensive SS in baseball? Stick him in LF...and he'd STILL be one of the best offensive LF'ers in baseball. And considering SS isn't exactly and offensive position...Aybar wouldn't be terrible, by your standards. As a matter of fact, Aybar hit over .300 basically at every level, at the minor league level. He won't provide power...but he provides everything else, practically. This is the point. We have been gifted jesus christ bananas offense at SS, and you want to move it to LF where he will be "one of the best at his position" instead of, "the best hitter in baseball." Big deal there. I'm not obsessed with positional arrangement. You just aren't getting it yet. Maximizing our production position by position is going to create the best possible team. There is nothing anyone can do to get more production from SS. You leave it there, and build around it. It's that easy. And please don't ever reference batting average by itself again. You can build around "one of the best," as well. You can put Hanley at any position...he's one of the best offensive players in baseball, period. And I guess I should've put it differently with Aybar. Ok...here it goes. His career minor league .OPS is .801. Aybar is a better prospect than Uggla ever was. At the end of the day, a SS like Aybar improves the defense, tremendously. Just look at the value Jason Bartlett has provided for the Rays this year, as an example...a defensive SS who can provide some offense never hurts, when it has a good supporting cast around it. And Aybar will never ever ever be as good as Uggla. And Bartlett is nowhere near the reason the Rays are succeeding this year, and really isn't making a big deal contribution. But those are other issues. Honestly, if you want to do that. Move Hanley to LF and play Amezaga at SS. He's better defensively than the players you mention, hits just as "good" as Aybar or Bartlett, and costs us nothing in trade. Again, missing the point. Sure, you can put Hanley anywhere and he is a plus player, but he is THE BEST shortstop in baseball and LEADS BASEBALL IN VORP and overall production including the below average defense. Why would you ever in god's name move him, when he is out producing every player in baseball at his position. This cannot help our team anyway you want to configure it, when you look at the plethora of corner options on our team and, ones always available in baseball, compared to how hard it is to find a good shortstop (and Aybar is not that). We have an enormous advantage here over other teams and you want to dismiss it just because he isn't that great defensively. You're missing the point - it's about PRODUCTION. Not about improving defense. Get the most from every slot, and that's the best team you can field. Ignore everything else on the team. What's better. LF Hanley, SS Aybar LF Cody, SS Hanley Little dudes defense, is not outweighing Cody's offensive contribution. I'd take #2. However, I'm not confident that the organization offers Cody arbritration, after the year, either. And Bartlett has been a major part of the Rays' success this year...the Rays are a better team when Bartlett's in the lineup.
September 22, 200817 yr I guess I must be wrong on EE. For some reason I always thought he was one of the better defensive third basemen in the league with outstanding range, but if Lou says otherwise...in Lou I trust. Any other ideas though for a + defender at third who can OPS over .800 (on the cheap) who still has upside potential that we can obtain for a Scott Olsen/prospect package? Buys another year for Logan Morrison to spend in AA. Freddy Sanchez? He owns lefties...you can platoon McPherson and Sanchez at 3B. Sanchez is versatile, as well. Not that young though...turning 31, next year. I also think he's arbritration eligible after this season, as well...although, I'm not sure, at all of his contract status, tbh. Freddy Sanchez inf 2 years/$11M (2008-09), plus 2010 club option re-signed 2/5/08 (avoided arbitration, $4.9M-$4.1M) $0.3M signing bonus 08:$4M, 09:$6.1M, 10:$8M club option ($0.6M buyout) You should really embrace this website - http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com Thanks. :thumbup Anyways...what do you think about that idea? Sanchez, in his career, has a .903 .OPS against left-handed pitching. Also...I heard you mention Andino as a guy you wouldn't mind getting playing time next year at 2B. May I ask why? I mean...Andino didn't even produce, offensively, in the minors. I don't even want Andino on the team next year.
September 22, 200817 yr Guess I'm the only one who thinks both Jake and Hammer are going to stay. Maybin-CF Baker-C Ramirez-SS Cantu-3B Jacobs-1B Uggla-2B Willingham-LF Ross-RF Johnson Nolasco Volstad Sanchez Miller Amezaga Treanor De Aza Cheap Veteran IF Cheap Veteran OF Kensing Nelson Pinto Rhodes Tucker Waechter Lindstrom GONE Olsen Gregg Hendrickson Lo Duca Helms McPherson Gonzalez Hermida Tankersley Gardner Mitre Rabelo
September 22, 200817 yr I'll again restate my opinion that if the organization was seriously thinking about dumping Uggla (and likely then replacing him with Coghlan) that Coghlan would have gotten a September call up, like Maybin and G Sanchez (who probably will be starting next season). Seriously, this team paid out for a couple of years of Cabrera's arbitration which costed them a good bit more than Uggla's will. It's not that far fetched that the team will keep its best full-time IF defender of the last 3 seasons who also happens to have by far the highest OBP and SLG w/ RISP of anyone on the team who's been up all year (Baker is the only competition, but with a much smaller sample size). Honestly, so much is made about this team being or not being clutch, do we really want to dump the guy who bats 302/425/552 with RISP over the whole season? As to the nonsense of moving Hanley to the OF - no. I'm not gonna bother with the why besides the fact that LF will be a lot easier to fill with a decent bat (IMO) than will be SS. Hanley is an IF. If he is ever moved, it should only ever be to 3B. When he was in the Red Sox system he was expected to become a 3B in the future, but then even that won't (and shouldn't) happen for at least another year. Hopefully in the meantime they will (in the minors) see if Coghlan can play 3B or SS decently.
September 22, 200817 yr I think you're a little obsessed with position by position production. So what if Hanley is the best offensive SS in baseball? Stick him in LF...and he'd STILL be one of the best offensive LF'ers in baseball. And considering SS isn't exactly and offensive position...Aybar wouldn't be terrible, by your standards. As a matter of fact, Aybar hit over .300 basically at every level, at the minor league level. He won't provide power...but he provides everything else, practically. This is the point. We have been gifted jesus christ bananas offense at SS, and you want to move it to LF where he will be "one of the best at his position" instead of, "the best hitter in baseball." Big deal there. I'm not obsessed with positional arrangement. You just aren't getting it yet. Maximizing our production position by position is going to create the best possible team. There is nothing anyone can do to get more production from SS. You leave it there, and build around it. It's that easy. And please don't ever reference batting average by itself again. You can build around "one of the best," as well. You can put Hanley at any position...he's one of the best offensive players in baseball, period. And I guess I should've put it differently with Aybar. Ok...here it goes. His career minor league .OPS is .801. Aybar is a better prospect than Uggla ever was. At the end of the day, a SS like Aybar improves the defense, tremendously. Just look at the value Jason Bartlett has provided for the Rays this year, as an example...a defensive SS who can provide some offense never hurts, when it has a good supporting cast around it. And Aybar will never ever ever be as good as Uggla. And Bartlett is nowhere near the reason the Rays are succeeding this year, and really isn't making a big deal contribution. But those are other issues. Honestly, if you want to do that. Move Hanley to LF and play Amezaga at SS. He's better defensively than the players you mention, hits just as "good" as Aybar or Bartlett, and costs us nothing in trade. Again, missing the point. Sure, you can put Hanley anywhere and he is a plus player, but he is THE BEST shortstop in baseball and LEADS BASEBALL IN VORP and overall production including the below average defense. Why would you ever in god's name move him, when he is out producing every player in baseball at his position. This cannot help our team anyway you want to configure it, when you look at the plethora of corner options on our team and, ones always available in baseball, compared to how hard it is to find a good shortstop (and Aybar is not that). We have an enormous advantage here over other teams and you want to dismiss it just because he isn't that great defensively. You're missing the point - it's about PRODUCTION. Not about improving defense. Get the most from every slot, and that's the best team you can field. Ignore everything else on the team. What's better. LF Hanley, SS Aybar LF Cody, SS Hanley Little dudes defense, is not outweighing Cody's offensive contribution. I'd take #2. However, I'm not confident that the organization offers Cody arbritration, after the year, either. And Bartlett has been a major part of the Rays' success this year...the Rays are a better team when Bartlett's in the lineup. Are you stupid?.From the start of the season until early August Bartlett was terrible.He was a shortstop batting between .240-.250.Last season he only hit .265.He has gotten on a hot streak recently, which every starter gets.We dont need, no power and low BA Bartlett.
September 22, 200817 yr Are you stupid?.From the start of the season until early August Bartlett was terrible.He was a shortstop batting between .240-.250.Last season he only hit .265.He has gotten on a hot streak recently, which every starter gets.We dont need, no power and low BA Bartlett. Are you stupid? Bartlett is one of the better defensive shortstops, in baseball. And it's actually a fact that they've been a better team when Bartlett's in the lineup. You can do the research yourself...hopefully.
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