fastball83 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 We know that our FO is able to put our budget to 35-40 millions, but with this move we down our salary............but we buy complement players......so perhaps we are speaking with a big name of MLB (ala bonds, teixera or other). that could explain this move because Admin is one of the best....and he have made this deal with an idea. Opinions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Would be nice to see a big name player signed but I dont think its gonna happen It aint our style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHUfishfan Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Freed up Cap for Manny and CC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofthefish Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Freed up Cap for Manny and CC. The only Manny the Marlins could afford is Manny DelCarmen :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Daulton Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 this trade does save us money. in spite of the alarmist posts last night calling for the head of Beinfest and suggesting that this is part of "another fire-sale", this trade is probably a good thing for the fish in the long run. It saves money that could be better spent elsewhere by trimming off what was essentially dead weight. Addition by subtraction - remember how we all bought into that concept after the Jacobs deal? Well addition by subtraction means we dont get anything in return and its still a good deal. Some of that thinking applies here. Yes, we have more money to spend elsewhere after this deal, but I seriously doubt that the Marlins splurge heavily after saving what will probably be around 4-5 million. But that kind of money, plus another 4 million from Gregg and maybe someone else, can get us a decent FA pick up, or two. Dont expect that this move means we are thinking of pursuing Manny Ramirez or Texiera, though. Not likely, as mentioned above, not our style. Arthur Rhodes would be a more realistic guess, but rumor has it he is holding out for a long term deal, which I don't think the Marlins wanna give him. Also, for those hating on the FO after this deal, keep in mind what the economy is doing right now. Do any of you really know how much money 5 million dollars is? The economy has done significantly worse since it was announced that the payroll would be expanded. Might have something to do with the player trade market right now. Many teams will be moving towards a Marlin-like approach when money is geting tight. Makes it harder to move arbitration eligible sooon-to-be-overpaid players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Punisher Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Marlins will be signing Pudge Rodriguez for 7 million, and 3 years, MARK MY WORDS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo McDonald Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Marlins will be signing Pudge Rodriguez for 7 million, and 3 years, MARK MY WORDS. $7mil per? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Freed up Cap for Manny and CC.  this, :mischief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJA87 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Marlins will be signing Pudge Rodriguez for 7 million, and 3 years, MARK MY WORDS.  They aren't signing Pudge, it would make no sense, he'll want way more money than he's worth, and he wouldn't even get the bulk of the starts if they did sign him. Anyone giving him 3 years seems pretty ridic really (although the Yankees like to make terrible signings like that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Would be nice to see a big name player signed but I dont think its gonna happen It aint our style Normally, Id agree with you here, except if they really do plan on increasing payroll and they just dumped some arbitration eligible players we would have to be adding a fat stack of money to the play roll. Im confident that they will.  That being said, this trade could be the trigger to an Uggla trade, having Coughlan being backed up by Bonifacio at 2nd. Who knows? (I hope not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dom2613 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Im really hoping we keep uggla. I dont thing coghlan is ready just yet but what ever happens happens i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I hope we do, too. Then trade Gregg please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Dr Beinfest was a stupid name change imo, sorry :thumbdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Dr Beinfest was a stupid name change imo, sorry :thumbdown Its okay, he will Dr. Beinfest will cure any boo-boos.   I was totally just depressed that Willingham is gone. I just came up with some silly name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Apple Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Would be nice to see a big name player signed but I dont think its gonna happen It aint our style I mean it make sense we just got rid of Olsen, Hammer and Jacobs and we barely got anything in return but salary space. Our salary is also supposed to rise and how is that possible if we're freeing up salary space?? Either Free Agency or signing players to bigger contacts that's how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Would be nice to see a big name player signed but I dont think its gonna happen It aint our style I mean it make sense we just got rid of Olsen, Hammer and Jacobs and we barely got anything in return but salary space. Our salary is also supposed to rise and how is that possible if we're freeing up salary space?? Either Free Agency or signing players to bigger contacts that's how.  Yeah something has got to happen, but the biggest being Uggla. This could mean they were making room for an Uggla extension, or it could mean they were producing depth backing up Coughlan when Uggla is traded. Hopefully its option one, and then perhaps getting rid of Gregg and signing relievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I mean it make sense we just got rid of Olsen, Hammer and Jacobs and we barely got anything in return but salary space. Our salary is also supposed to rise and how is that possible if we're freeing up salary space?? Either Free Agency or signing players to bigger contacts that's how. Marlins payroll was $21.8 in 2008. If we entered the season tomorrow, payroll is basically DOUBLED even jettisoning Jacobs, Olsen, and Willingham. C John Baker $405,000 1B Gaby Sanchez $400,000 2B Dan Uggla $4,400,000 3B Jorge Cantu $4,500,000 SS Hanley Ramirez $5,500,000 LF Jeremy Hermida $2,500,000 CF Cameron Maybin $400,000 RF Cody Ross $3,000,000 B Dallas McPherson $550,000 B Wes Helms $950,000 B Alfredo Amezaga $1,750,000 B Emilio Bonifacio $410,000 B Rabelo $400,000 SP Josh Johnson $1,750,000 SP Ricky Nolasco $3,000,000 SP Chris Volstad $405,000 SP Andrew Miller $1,350,000 SP Anibal Sanchez $420,000 RP Kevin Gregg $5,000,000 RP Matt Lindstrom $420,000 RP Joe Nelson $800,000 RP Leo Nunez $420,000 RP Reynel Pinto $420,000 RP Logan Kensing $550,000 RP Eulogio De La Cruz $400,000 $40,100,000 The basic arbitration comps should average each other out from my over and under estimations, so this is a solid roundball idea. I expect 2-4 more arbitration cases shed. In order of likelihood Gregg, Amezaga, Kensing, Cantu, Uggla. That still reflects a $10 million increase from 2008, without signing free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Yeah something has got to happen, but the biggest being Uggla. This could mean they were making room for an Uggla extension, or it could mean they were producing depth backing up Coughlan when Uggla is traded. Hopefully its option one, and then perhaps getting rid of Gregg and signing relievers. Why would we sign Uggla longterm? We have his rights for 3 years, and by then he probably ceases being a useful player from his skill set. We also have B, C+, and C level prospects with Coghlan, Bonifacio, and Andino who can cover 2B. Not a priority. Those guys aren't Uggla's slugging, but they are worth transitioning to and selling Uggla in a year or so. Got to get rid of a guy a year early before a year to late. We have to many relievers already, without Gregg. MLB pen - Lindstrom, Nunez, Nelson, Pinto, Kensing, Cruz, Meyer (DFA J. Delgado) Minors Pen 1 - Tankeresly, Tucker, Mobley, Doolittle, (Owens if back healthy) and SP converts Vanden Hurk, Badenhop, Trahern Minors Pen 2 - Wood, Leroux, C. Martinez, Marceaux, H. Garcia, and SP converts Thompson, Sinkbiel, West, Winters, G. Taylor Plus minor league free agents we've been money on lately - Gardner, J. Miller, Waecther, etc This mess needs to be sorted out through attrition. I will always welcome more arms, but the pen isn't an area where we are struggling for talent. The team should be able to 7 guys from this behind our obvious 5 SP. We're in good shape. Signing someone, just so we can DFA someone else, is a bad idea. We need to go into camp with this core, and in June if everyone sucks and we're contending, we can go out and get a reliever. Priorities are a bench 1B/OF for 2009, a young catcher, and additional SP depth as all the guys listed above. Only West is premium, Thompson is ok, and Vanden Hurk, Sinkbiel, etc are probably going to start being groomed for the pen. Need depth in the upper minors to supplant the MLB squad in case of injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee Ball Bunt Machine Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Why would we sign Uggla longterm? We have his rights for 3 years, and by then he probably ceases being a useful player from his skill set. We also have B, C+, and C level prospects with Coghlan, Bonifacio, and Andino who can cover 2B. Not a priority. Those guys aren't Uggla's slugging, but they are worth transitioning to and selling Uggla in a year or so. Got to get rid of a guy a year early before a year to late. Because it would probably save the team money for each of those three years if they signed him now for that long? That and the fact that none of those backup 2B can hold Uggla's jock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Why would we sign Uggla longterm? We have his rights for 3 years, and by then he probably ceases being a useful player from his skill set. We also have B, C+, and C level prospects with Coghlan, Bonifacio, and Andino who can cover 2B. Not a priority. Those guys aren't Uggla's slugging, but they are worth transitioning to and selling Uggla in a year or so. Got to get rid of a guy a year early before a year to late. Because it would probably save the team money for each of those three years if they signed him now for that long? That and the fact that none of those backup 2B can hold Uggla's jock. Bingo, and not to sound annoying but who said an extension is supposed to be long term? Is that some kind of misconception that has developed from being a Marlins fan? Anything other than being 1 or 2 year contracts is "long-term"? An extension is just adding years on to a contract. It does not need to be long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backin2008 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I mean it make sense we just got rid of Olsen, Hammer and Jacobs and we barely got anything in return but salary space. Our salary is also supposed to rise and how is that possible if we're freeing up salary space?? Either Free Agency or signing players to bigger contacts that's how. Marlins payroll was $21.8 in 2008. If we entered the season tomorrow, payroll is basically DOUBLED even jettisoning Jacobs, Olsen, and Willingham. C John Baker $405,000 1B Gaby Sanchez $400,000 2B Dan Uggla $4,400,000 3B Jorge Cantu $4,500,000 SS Hanley Ramirez $5,500,000 LF Jeremy Hermida $2,500,000 CF Cameron Maybin $400,000 RF Cody Ross $3,000,000 B Dallas McPherson $550,000 B Wes Helms $950,000 B Alfredo Amezaga $1,750,000 B Emilio Bonifacio $410,000 B Rabelo $400,000 SP Josh Johnson $1,750,000 SP Ricky Nolasco $3,000,000 SP Chris Volstad $405,000 SP Andrew Miller $1,350,000 SP Anibal Sanchez $420,000 RP Kevin Gregg $5,000,000 RP Matt Lindstrom $420,000 RP Joe Nelson $800,000 RP Leo Nunez $420,000 RP Reynel Pinto $420,000 RP Logan Kensing $550,000 RP Eulogio De La Cruz $400,000 $40,100,000 The basic arbitration comps should average each other out from my over and under estimations, so this is a solid roundball idea. I expect 2-4 more arbitration cases shed. In order of likelihood Gregg, Amezaga, Kensing, Cantu, Uggla. That still reflects a $10 million increase from 2008, without signing free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Why would we sign Uggla longterm? We have his rights for 3 years, and by then he probably ceases being a useful player from his skill set. We also have B, C+, and C level prospects with Coghlan, Bonifacio, and Andino who can cover 2B. Not a priority. Those guys aren't Uggla's slugging, but they are worth transitioning to and selling Uggla in a year or so. Got to get rid of a guy a year early before a year to late. Because it would probably save the team money for each of those three years if they signed him now for that long? That and the fact that none of those backup 2B can hold Uggla's jock. Bingo, and not to sound annoying but who said an extension is supposed to be long term? Is that some kind of misconception that has developed from being a Marlins fan? Anything other than being 1 or 2 year contracts is "long-term"? An extension is just adding years on to a contract. It does not need to be long term. There is -0- point in buying out 3 years of Dan then taking him year to year. If we sign him, it's for a minimum 4 years and a club option. You really aren't saving any money for how far progressed he is as a player. This needed to happen after year 1 or 2 for realistic cost-savings. And I think Coghlan is going to be a pretty good hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Why is there "-0-" point? Regardless of what you say, there can always be a cheaper contract looking forward down the road if you do it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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