:jerry

Oh my bad Erik, how do you know the logistics of how they select players for the WBC? Unless you are a coach or the CEO you don't know either. If you aren't, then you assume just like everyone else because you have no idea what they are looking for. Name the pitchers that have declined. Why did they decline? I'd be interested to hear your assumptions.

 

 

Ugh...these aren't assumptions.

I know for sure that Brandon Webb and Cliff Lee declined. I saw that.

 

Don't know about guys like Sabathia, Lincecum, Haren, Halladay, etc., etc., but if you truly think Lindstrom belongs on this team, you're kidding yourself.

 

Brandon Webb and Cliff Lee are both starters. Sabathia, Lincecum, Haren, Halladay starters. Last time I checked Lindstrom didn't start a game since he was in the Mets system down in Binghamton, NY. You honestly think that starters would skip spring training to perhaps get an inning of work in per game? Your kidding yourself, that's upsurd. (I understand they can throw bullpens in between but they can do that in spring training with their families) That would really prepare them for the season. Cliff Lee wanted to play but has to prepare for the upcoming season. Last year he pitched 223 innings and he thinks it will be even more this year.

 

Basically and what it comes down to is this: It doesn't matter what I or you think. What matters is that people who really know baseball; who follow careers, invited him to be on the team.

Oh my bad Erik, how do you know the logistics of how they select players for the WBC? Unless you are a coach or the CEO you don't know either. If you aren't, then you assume just like everyone else because you have no idea what they are looking for. Name the pitchers that have declined. Why did they decline? I'd be interested to hear your assumptions.

 

 

Ugh...these aren't assumptions.

I know for sure that Brandon Webb and Cliff Lee declined. I saw that.

 

Don't know about guys like Sabathia, Lincecum, Haren, Halladay, etc., etc., but if you truly think Lindstrom belongs on this team, you're kidding yourself.

 

Brandon Webb and Cliff Lee are both starters. Sabathia, Lincecum, Haren, Halladay starters. Last time I checked Lindstrom didn't start a game since he was in the Mets system down in Binghamton, NY. You honestly think that starters would skip spring training to perhaps get an inning of work in per game? Your kidding yourself, that's upsurd. (I understand they can throw bullpens in between but they can do that in spring training with their families) That would really prepare them for the season. Cliff Lee wanted to play but has to prepare for the upcoming season. Last year he pitched 223 innings and he thinks it will be even more this year.

 

Basically and what it comes down to is this: It doesn't matter what I or you think. What matters is that people who really know baseball; who follow careers, invited him to be on the team.

 

 

Peavy, Lackey, Oswalt sure did.

As for relievers...fine if you want to use that argument. Where's Brad Lidge?

Oh my bad Erik, how do you know the logistics of how they select players for the WBC? Unless you are a coach or the CEO you don't know either. If you aren't, then you assume just like everyone else because you have no idea what they are looking for. Name the pitchers that have declined. Why did they decline? I'd be interested to hear your assumptions.

 

 

Ugh...these aren't assumptions.

I know for sure that Brandon Webb and Cliff Lee declined. I saw that.

 

Don't know about guys like Sabathia, Lincecum, Haren, Halladay, etc., etc., but if you truly think Lindstrom belongs on this team, you're kidding yourself.

 

Brandon Webb and Cliff Lee are both starters. Sabathia, Lincecum, Haren, Halladay starters. Last time I checked Lindstrom didn't start a game since he was in the Mets system down in Binghamton, NY. You honestly think that starters would skip spring training to perhaps get an inning of work in per game? Your kidding yourself, that's upsurd. (I understand they can throw bullpens in between but they can do that in spring training with their families) That would really prepare them for the season. Cliff Lee wanted to play but has to prepare for the upcoming season. Last year he pitched 223 innings and he thinks it will be even more this year.

 

Basically and what it comes down to is this: It doesn't matter what I or you think. What matters is that people who really know baseball; who follow careers, invited him to be on the team.

 

 

Peavy, Lackey, Oswalt sure did.

As for relievers...fine if you want to use that argument. Where's Brad Lidge?

Brad Lidge? You have ONE example?

Oh my bad Erik, how do you know the logistics of how they select players for the WBC? Unless you are a coach or the CEO you don't know either. If you aren't, then you assume just like everyone else because you have no idea what they are looking for. Name the pitchers that have declined. Why did they decline? I'd be interested to hear your assumptions.

 

 

Ugh...these aren't assumptions.

I know for sure that Brandon Webb and Cliff Lee declined. I saw that.

 

Don't know about guys like Sabathia, Lincecum, Haren, Halladay, etc., etc., but if you truly think Lindstrom belongs on this team, you're kidding yourself.

 

Brandon Webb and Cliff Lee are both starters. Sabathia, Lincecum, Haren, Halladay starters. Last time I checked Lindstrom didn't start a game since he was in the Mets system down in Binghamton, NY. You honestly think that starters would skip spring training to perhaps get an inning of work in per game? Your kidding yourself, that's upsurd. (I understand they can throw bullpens in between but they can do that in spring training with their families) That would really prepare them for the season. Cliff Lee wanted to play but has to prepare for the upcoming season. Last year he pitched 223 innings and he thinks it will be even more this year.

 

Basically and what it comes down to is this: It doesn't matter what I or you think. What matters is that people who really know baseball; who follow careers, invited him to be on the team.

 

 

Peavy, Lackey, Oswalt sure did.

As for relievers...fine if you want to use that argument. Where's Brad Lidge?

Brad Lidge? You have ONE example?

 

 

Lindstrom's the worst reliever on the team, so one example's good enough.

Lindstrom's the worst reliever on the team, so one example's good enough.

 

We'll see about that.

Lindstrom's the worst reliever on the team, so one example's good enough.

 

We'll see about that.

 

 

I'm not predicting the future.

I'm basing it off their resume's in the big leagues.

Lindstrom's the worst reliever on the team, so one example's good enough.

 

We'll see about that.

 

 

I'm not predicting the future.

I'm basing it off their resume's in the big leagues.

 

 

Lindstrom is > DLC/ Delgado/Tank/Overworked Pinto/Kensing/Badenhop

 

The list could continue but i don't want to look up the rest

 

I really hope you were kidding though

Lindstrom's the worst reliever on the team, so one example's good enough.

 

We'll see about that.

 

 

I'm not predicting the future.

I'm basing it off their resume's in the big leagues.

 

 

Lindstrom is > DLC/ Delgado/Tank/Overworked Pinto/Kensing/Badenhop

 

The list could continue but i don't want to look up the rest

 

I really hope you were kidding though

 

 

Did you bother to even read what this thread was about before posting?

Yes i did ohhh man i misunderstood.

You meant Lindstrom was the worst pitcher on the WBC team but i doubt he's worse than Thorton

 

EDIT: Thorton is a beast. My Bad i should have never doubted you Erick

In questioning Lindstrom's selection, you are really only criticizing the team management that selected him. Lindstrom looked great at the end of the year ... and he has as good an arm as there is. This selection can only boost his confidence ... and confidence is particularly key for a closer. Good luck, Matt.

Oh my bad Erik, how do you know the logistics of how they select players for the WBC? Unless you are a coach or the CEO you don't know either. If you aren't, then you assume just like everyone else because you have no idea what they are looking for. Name the pitchers that have declined. Why did they decline? I'd be interested to hear your assumptions.

 

 

Ugh...these aren't assumptions.

I know for sure that Brandon Webb and Cliff Lee declined. I saw that.

 

Don't know about guys like Sabathia, Lincecum, Haren, Halladay, etc., etc., but if you truly think Lindstrom belongs on this team, you're kidding yourself.

 

 

He's an American. He's an MLB pitcher. Therefore, he deserves to be on this team. That should be the end of the discussion. But of course it won't be. And why?? Because it happens to be a very good opportunity for you to take what should be a plus and try to turn it into a negative. It's so good to see most aren't buying into that kind of crap.

 

Even tho I don't like the WBC, I have to say congratulations to this young man. And to all those that have been asked to represent their home countries. Whether they accept the invitation or not, and for whatever reasons they didn't accept, it is an honor to be asked. And I would bet anything that not one of them turned it down because they didn't think they deserved to represent their country.

 

And yet you feel so strongly that he shouldn't be there. So stand up for your beliefs. Actually do something about them instead of mouthing off on a message board in the safety of your own private world. For instance, first time you actually see him (most likely at FanFest in just a few weeks, and please let me be within earshot), inform him that he dosen't deserve to represent the USA and you want him to turn down the opportunity. That would be interesting to witness. If for no other reason, just to see who is kidding who.

He's an American. He's an MLB pitcher. Therefore, he deserves to be on this team.

 

 

Yup. His comment upon reading the informational flyer many months ago, "Yeah, right," just demonstrates either his humility or perhaps more likely his underestimation of his own considerable talents.

 

He's a guy with a 100 mph fastball who is slated to be one of only 30 "starting" closers out of a pool of over 200 MLB relievers. He's most certainly qualified. I hope he does well; he'll almost certainly benefit from the experience regardless of how he happens to pitch in the few appearances that will be involved.

Oh my bad Erik, how do you know the logistics of how they select players for the WBC? Unless you are a coach or the CEO you don't know either. If you aren't, then you assume just like everyone else because you have no idea what they are looking for. Name the pitchers that have declined. Why did they decline? I'd be interested to hear your assumptions.

 

 

Ugh...these aren't assumptions.

I know for sure that Brandon Webb and Cliff Lee declined. I saw that.

 

Don't know about guys like Sabathia, Lincecum, Haren, Halladay, etc., etc., but if you truly think Lindstrom belongs on this team, you're kidding yourself.

 

 

He's an American. He's an MLB pitcher. Therefore, he deserves to be on this team. That should be the end of the discussion. But of course it won't be. And why?? Because it happens to be a very good opportunity for you to take what should be a plus and try to turn it into a negative. It's so good to see most aren't buying into that kind of crap.

 

Even tho I don't like the WBC, I have to say congratulations to this young man. And to all those that have been asked to represent their home countries. Whether they accept the invitation or not, and for whatever reasons they didn't accept, it is an honor to be asked. And I would bet anything that not one of them turned it down because they didn't think they deserved to represent their country.

 

And yet you feel so strongly that he shouldn't be there. So stand up for your beliefs. Actually do something about them instead of mouthing off on a message board in the safety of your own private world. For instance, first time you actually see him (most likely at FanFest in just a few weeks, and please let me be within earshot), inform him that he dosen't deserve to represent the USA and you want him to turn down the opportunity. That would be interesting to witness. If for no other reason, just to see who is kidding who.

 

 

:lol at your reasoning.

You know who else deserves to be on this team? Reggie Abercrombie. He's an American, an MLB player. Therefore, he deserves to be on this team. That should be the end of the discussion.

 

Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? Probably not, considering half the stuff you post sounds as ridiculous as this, anyways.

 

Maybe if you took off the teal homer glasses, you'd see what I'm talking about.

 

As for "I bet none of them turned it down because they didn't think they deserved to represent their country"...congratulations, sherlock. Big deal...you just posted an irrelevant quote. By "doesn't deserve to be there" I mean that Lindstrom IS NOT one of the better pitchers in the United States. I don't mean that he doesn't deserve to be there b/c he's not American.

 

But I'm sure the big homer you are...you'll find a way to twist this around too, somehow. B/c well...Lindstrom pitches for the Marlins...so, umm...yeah...he DEFINITELY deserves this. He's definitely better than Sabathia, Lincecum, Halladay, Webb, Lidge, and all those GREAT arms the U.S. has.

He's an American. He's an MLB pitcher. Therefore, he deserves to be on this team.

 

 

Yup. His comment upon reading the informational flyer many months ago, "Yeah, right," just demonstrates either his humility or perhaps more likely his underestimation of his own considerable talents.

 

He's a guy with a 100 mph fastball who is slated to be one of only 30 "starting" closers out of a pool of over 200 MLB relievers. He's most certainly qualified. I hope he does well; he'll almost certainly benefit from the experience regardless of how he happens to pitch in the few appearances that will be involved.

 

 

And yet, he's had JUST ONE month of being a closer, and there are plenty of middle relievers / setup men who are better than Matt Lindstrom, in the big leagues. Some of them are on this team.

By "doesn't deserve to be there" I mean that Lindstrom IS NOT one of the better pitchers in the United States. I don't mean that he doesn't deserve to be there b/c he's not American.

 

Lindstrom is not one of the better pitchers in the United States? That would mean he isn't in the top 50% of MLB pitchers, correct?

 

And where in the hell would you get that from?

By "doesn't deserve to be there" I mean that Lindstrom IS NOT one of the better pitchers in the United States. I don't mean that he doesn't deserve to be there b/c he's not American.

 

Lindstrom is not one of the better pitchers in the United States? That would mean he isn't in the top 50% of MLB pitchers, correct?

 

And where in the hell would you get that from?

 

 

Since when do 50% of the pitchers make the team?

Seriously...do some of you read what you post?

 

And...where in the hell did I get WHAT from?

By "doesn't deserve to be there" I mean that Lindstrom IS NOT one of the better pitchers in the United States. I don't mean that he doesn't deserve to be there b/c he's not American.

 

Lindstrom is not one of the better pitchers in the United States? That would mean he isn't in the top 50% of MLB pitchers, correct?

 

And where in the hell would you get that from?

No, it actually means he isn't one of the top 24 pitchers in the league, which he isn't.

 

 

That said, the rosters will eventually be cut from 48 players to 28 players.

By "doesn't deserve to be there" I mean that Lindstrom IS NOT one of the better pitchers in the United States. I don't mean that he doesn't deserve to be there b/c he's not American.

 

Lindstrom is not one of the better pitchers in the United States? That would mean he isn't in the top 50% of MLB pitchers, correct?

 

And where in the hell would you get that from?

 

 

Since when do 50% of the pitchers make the team?

Seriously...do some of you read what you post?

 

And...where in the hell did I get WHAT from?

 

The "better pitchers in the US" would represent the top 50% of pitchers in the US, correct? Does that make sense to you? Because the worse pitchers in the US would be the bottom 50%... correct? Is that logical? Does that make sense?

By "doesn't deserve to be there" I mean that Lindstrom IS NOT one of the better pitchers in the United States. I don't mean that he doesn't deserve to be there b/c he's not American.

 

Lindstrom is not one of the better pitchers in the United States? That would mean he isn't in the top 50% of MLB pitchers, correct?

 

And where in the hell would you get that from?

 

 

Since when do 50% of the pitchers make the team?

Seriously...do some of you read what you post?

 

And...where in the hell did I get WHAT from?

 

The "better pitchers in the US" would represent the top 50% of pitchers in the US, correct? Does that make sense to you? Because the worse pitchers in the US would be the bottom 50%... correct? Is that logical? Does that make sense?

 

And this is relevant to this thread how, again? To make you feel better...Matt Lindstrom is not of the best pitchers in the U.S. Happy now? Better, best...doesn't matter. He doesn't belong on the team.

By "doesn't deserve to be there" I mean that Lindstrom IS NOT one of the better pitchers in the United States. I don't mean that he doesn't deserve to be there b/c he's not American.

 

Lindstrom is not one of the better pitchers in the United States? That would mean he isn't in the top 50% of MLB pitchers, correct?

 

And where in the hell would you get that from?

 

 

Since when do 50% of the pitchers make the team?

Seriously...do some of you read what you post?

 

And...where in the hell did I get WHAT from?

 

The "better pitchers in the US" would represent the top 50% of pitchers in the US, correct? Does that make sense to you? Because the worse pitchers in the US would be the bottom 50%... correct? Is that logical? Does that make sense?

 

And this is relevant to this thread how, again? To make you feel better...Matt Lindstrom is not of the best pitchers in the U.S. Happy now? Better, best...doesn't matter. He doesn't belong on the team.

 

It's DIRECTLY relevent to your statement that Lindstrom "is not one of the better pitchers in the United States". He certainly is. Does he deserve to be on the team? Maybe not. But he IS one of the better pitchers in this country. That's a fact.

It's DIRECTLY relevent to your statement that Lindstrom "is not one of the better pitchers in the United States". He certainly is. Does he deserve to be on the team? Maybe not. But he IS one of the better pitchers in this country. That's a fact.

 

Well, I didn't expect someone to pull out the 50% card, but by all means.

However, you should change the "maybe not" to "no" b/c the real answer to the question (which, at the end of the day, is the actual point being made in this thread) is "no." He doesn't deserve to be on the U.S. team, and only a homer Marlins fan, at this point, would think otherwise.

:homer

However, you should change the "maybe not" to "no" b/c the real answer to the question (which, at the end of the day, is the actual point being made in this thread) is "no." He doesn't deserve to be on the U.S. team, and only a homer Marlins fan, at this point, would think otherwise.

 

Who's picking the U.S. roster again? Is it Admin Beinfest and Fredi Gonzalez?

 

Oh, wait, it's a bunch of great baseball minds who have ZERO affiliation with the Florida Marlins. THAT'S right.

However, you should change the "maybe not" to "no" b/c the real answer to the question (which, at the end of the day, is the actual point being made in this thread) is "no." He doesn't deserve to be on the U.S. team, and only a homer Marlins fan, at this point, would think otherwise.

 

Who's picking the U.S. roster again? Is it Admin Beinfest and Fredi Gonzalez?

 

Oh, wait, it's a bunch of great baseball minds who have ZERO affiliation with the Florida Marlins. THAT'S right.

 

 

How many pitchers have declined the invitation again? "THAT's right."

 

Look around the rosters in MLB and check all the U.S. pitchers around...you couldn't tell me (at least not with a straight face) that Matt Lindstrom is a top 20-25 pitcher in the United States, that's for damn sure. And I'm being nice with the #.