Just because we're Marlins fans doesn't mean we can't think objectively. We don't think a guy is great simply because he dawns a Marlin uniform. You couldn't look at me with a straight face and tell me Matt Lindstrom is among the top notch American relievers available; not even close. As we are all very happy for him and his invitation, we have every right to question the selection.

Exactly. I'm a well documented Lindstrom fan and even I will say that he shouldn't be in the WBC, not yet.

Oh boy, this could be bad for us. I'm happy for Lindstrom but do we want our closer to be over worked befor the season even starts?

 

 

Does it matter? WBC...Spring Training...he'll have to pitch regardless before April.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

 

Agree. I'm not a WBC fan, but for a relief pitcher I see no difference.

The thing is...Lindstrom was invited b/c of a bunch of other pitchers have declined. Not being one of the better pitchers in the United States isn't a knock on him...it's just fact. The U.S. is loaded with pitching. I wish Lindstrom the best, and hope he can continue his success from the 2nd half last year...but it's hard to deny the fact that the U.S. is loaded with arms.

 

Who has accepted invitations, anyways? Anyone know? Out of all the great pitchers in the U.S. I've only seen Lackey and Oswalt accept the invitation.

 

 

It could be that alot of pitchers aren't allowed by their team to play in the WBC. Teams may not want their high priced arms risking injury by being coached by virtual strangers. I don't see much difference pitching an inning or two here and there, but I'm not paying them either. They may want their guys in ST so they can be evaluated and work on things to help their team in the regular season.

Just because we're Marlins fans doesn't mean we can't think objectively. We don't think a guy is great simply because he dawns a Marlin uniform. You couldn't look at me with a straight face and tell me Matt Lindstrom is among the top notch American relievers available; not even close. As we are all very happy for him and his invitation, we have every right to question the selection.

 

Question the selection all you want because when it comes down to it you have no say in the matter. All you are doing is buying short meaning this: if he happens to make the team and sucks it up you can tell everybody told you so. Think what you want and I will do the same it's all good.

Just because we're Marlins fans doesn't mean we can't think objectively. We don't think a guy is great simply because he dawns a Marlin uniform. You couldn't look at me with a straight face and tell me Matt Lindstrom is among the top notch American relievers available; not even close. As we are all very happy for him and his invitation, we have every right to question the selection.

Exactly. I'm a well documented Lindstrom fan and even I will say that he shouldn't be in the WBC, not yet.

Not yet? Why not? Because he hasn't proved himself? That's like telling Papelbon when he was a rookie that he wasn't supposed to be the closer isn't it?

Just because we're Marlins fans doesn't mean we can't think objectively. We don't think a guy is great simply because he dawns a Marlin uniform. You couldn't look at me with a straight face and tell me Matt Lindstrom is among the top notch American relievers available; not even close. As we are all very happy for him and his invitation, we have every right to question the selection.

Exactly. I'm a well documented Lindstrom fan and even I will say that he shouldn't be in the WBC, not yet.

Not yet? Why not? Because he hasn't proved himself? That's like telling Papelbon when he was a rookie that he wasn't supposed to be the closer isn't it?

 

 

Uhhhhh, yeah? :blink:

Just because we're Marlins fans doesn't mean we can't think objectively. We don't think a guy is great simply because he dawns a Marlin uniform. You couldn't look at me with a straight face and tell me Matt Lindstrom is among the top notch American relievers available; not even close. As we are all very happy for him and his invitation, we have every right to question the selection.

Exactly. I'm a well documented Lindstrom fan and even I will say that he shouldn't be in the WBC, not yet.

Not yet? Why not? Because he hasn't proved himself? That's like telling Papelbon when he was a rookie that he wasn't supposed to be the closer isn't it?

Actually, that's exactly why.

 

And no, it's nothing like Papelbon. It's more like as if Papelbon had made the all-star team before ever becoming the closer.

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

 

 

 

When did Lindstrom become a "situational" pitcher?

What "situation" do you speak of?

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

Agreed. Plus how valuable is it to sit and pick "proven" relief pitchers brains like Joe Nathan, James Shields, ect... in certain situations. Just being there is going to help him become better.

 

Could you tell me what a LOOGY is? Thanks.

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

Agreed. Plus how valuable is it to sit and pick "proven" relief pitchers brains like Joe Nathan, James Shields, ect... in certain situations. Just being there is going to help him become better.

 

Could you tell me what a LOOGY is? Thanks.

 

 

I have no idea what the bold means.

As for your question...a "LOOGY" is a lefty specialist.

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

Agreed. Plus how valuable is it to sit and pick "proven" relief pitchers brains like Joe Nathan, James Shields, ect... in certain situations. Just being there is going to help him become better.

 

Could you tell me what a LOOGY is? Thanks.

 

 

I have no idea what the bold means.

As for your question...a "LOOGY" is a lefty specialist.

 

All I mean is that if he makes the team and doesn't play very much. At least he will be around some of the games best relief pitchers. This will be great opportunity to get a few tips on how to pitch, you know pick their brains a little bit that's all.

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

Agreed. Plus how valuable is it to sit and pick "proven" relief pitchers brains like Joe Nathan, James Shields, ect... in certain situations. Just being there is going to help him become better.

 

Could you tell me what a LOOGY is? Thanks.

 

 

I have no idea what the bold means.

As for your question...a "LOOGY" is a lefty specialist.

 

All I mean is that if he makes the team and doesn't play very much. At least he will be around some of the games best relief pitchers. This will be great opportunity to get a few tips on how to pitch, you know pick their brains a little bit that's all.

 

 

Yeah, but how does this mean that he deserves to be on the team?

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

 

 

 

When did Lindstrom become a "situational" pitcher?

What "situation" do you speak of?

 

Last time I checked, closers were situational pitchers. I'm pretty sure pitching in the 9th inning, with a lead of three runs or less, is a specific situation.

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

 

 

 

When did Lindstrom become a "situational" pitcher?

What "situation" do you speak of?

 

Last time I checked, closers were situational pitchers. I'm pretty sure pitching in the 9th inning, with a lead of three runs or less, is a specific situation.

 

 

Closers are closers. (not that Lindstrom has ever been one, anyways, but yeah...)

Plus, you said they'd probably use him in specific situations and that's why they took him. I'd like to know what situation you speak of, b/c he sure as heck won't be closing for Team USA.

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

Agreed. Plus how valuable is it to sit and pick "proven" relief pitchers brains like Joe Nathan, James Shields, ect... in certain situations. Just being there is going to help him become better.

 

Could you tell me what a LOOGY is? Thanks.

 

 

I have no idea what the bold means.

As for your question...a "LOOGY" is a lefty specialist.

 

All I mean is that if he makes the team and doesn't play very much. At least he will be around some of the games best relief pitchers. This will be great opportunity to get a few tips on how to pitch, you know pick their brains a little bit that's all.

 

 

Yeah, but how does this mean that he deserves to be on the team?

 

How would I know? I didn't select him to play. Ask the CEO and coaches of the WBC, they obviously know more than we do (maybe not). Perhaps someone should tell them that he is only average (a B player at best), that this is only his third year in the league and is unproven. :thumbup

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

 

 

 

When did Lindstrom become a "situational" pitcher?

What "situation" do you speak of?

 

Last time I checked, closers were situational pitchers. I'm pretty sure pitching in the 9th inning, with a lead of three runs or less, is a specific situation.

 

 

Closers are closers. (not that Lindstrom has ever been one, anyways, but yeah...)

Plus, you said they'd probably use him in specific situations and that's why they took him. I'd like to know what situation you speak of, b/c he sure as heck won't be closing for Team USA.

 

Closers are situational pitchers. They serve a specific purpose, that's it.

 

And I don't know what they're going to do with him, but like I said, my guess would be they probably just wanted to add a little heat. Who doesn't like to have a 100MPH arm in the back of their bullpen?

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

 

 

 

When did Lindstrom become a "situational" pitcher?

What "situation" do you speak of?

 

Last time I checked, closers were situational pitchers. I'm pretty sure pitching in the 9th inning, with a lead of three runs or less, is a specific situation.

 

 

Closers are closers. (not that Lindstrom has ever been one, anyways, but yeah...)

Plus, you said they'd probably use him in specific situations and that's why they took him. I'd like to know what situation you speak of, b/c he sure as heck won't be closing for Team USA.

 

Maybe the situation would be to get a right handed batter out that he's had success against?

How would I know? I didn't select him to play. Ask the CEO and coaches of the WBC, they obviously know more than we do (maybe not). Perhaps someone should tell them that he is only average (a B player at best), that this is only his third year in the league and is unproven. :thumbup

 

 

So you're arguing something only to counter by saying "how would I know?"

Did it ever occur to anyone that despite his resume, they US may have just wanted a little heat in the back of the bullpen? Sure, there are better arms available. But how many throw triple digits? It's a legit reasoning. It's almost like taking a LOOGY. He may not be one of the better guys in the game, but you need situational players. Lindstrom will be used sparingly, in very specific situations.

 

 

 

When did Lindstrom become a "situational" pitcher?

What "situation" do you speak of?

 

Last time I checked, closers were situational pitchers. I'm pretty sure pitching in the 9th inning, with a lead of three runs or less, is a specific situation.

 

 

Closers are closers. (not that Lindstrom has ever been one, anyways, but yeah...)

Plus, you said they'd probably use him in specific situations and that's why they took him. I'd like to know what situation you speak of, b/c he sure as heck won't be closing for Team USA.

 

Maybe the situation would be to get a right handed batter out that he's had success against?

 

He has.

Then again, the orginal point I made was that he doesn't deserve to go, and is only going b/c a bunch of other pitchers have declined the invitation. Which is the actual reason why he's going...not for anything special he's done.

:jerry

Oh my bad Erik, how do you know the logistics of how they select players for the WBC? Unless you are a coach or the CEO you don't know either. If you aren't, then you assume just like everyone else because you have no idea what they are looking for. Name the pitchers that have declined. Why did they decline? I'd be interested to hear your assumptions.

They are making a team, not selecting guys who have had the best lines. Didnt seem to work last WBC for the USA, so they are filling spots with guys that are team players and guys who wont cry if they dont get what they want. Lindstrom is very happy that he is going, and those are the guys the team is looking for. For all you fans, that think he doesnt deserve it, dont know nothing. All you guys are looking at his stats and comparing them with others, when there is alot more involved then just that. Just be happy for a guy from our team was selected to play for our country.

They are making a team, not selecting guys who have had the best lines. Didnt seem to work last WBC for the USA, so they are filling spots with guys that are team players and guys who wont cry if they dont get what they want. Lindstrom is very happy that he is going, and those are the guys the team is looking for. For all you fans, that think he doesnt deserve it, dont know nothing. All you guys are looking at his stats and comparing them with others, when there is alot more involved then just that. Just be happy for a guy from our team was selected to play for our country.

Very well said...Just be happy for a guy from our team was selected to play for our country. That's what it's all about.

Oh my bad Erik, how do you know the logistics of how they select players for the WBC? Unless you are a coach or the CEO you don't know either. If you aren't, then you assume just like everyone else because you have no idea what they are looking for. Name the pitchers that have declined. Why did they decline? I'd be interested to hear your assumptions.

 

 

Ugh...these aren't assumptions.

I know for sure that Brandon Webb and Cliff Lee declined. I saw that.

 

Don't know about guys like Sabathia, Lincecum, Haren, Halladay, etc., etc., but if you truly think Lindstrom belongs on this team, you're kidding yourself.