May 12, 200917 yr lolwut @ backstroke This is going to keep going back and forth, just like it did last night.I've already explained why and how I feel about this, and it's been responded to with 'lol but is an opinion!' I'm willing to accept that he believes that, but I'm also not going to stop thinking opinions can't be wrong. Now, if I think you're opinion is wrong an I back it up with something, why don't you go ahead and back your up with something. Then we can have a discussion. Discussions don't happen when one party can pull out the trump card of 'well it's my opinion, so that's it, you can't question it.' that stifles discussion. bob, opinions aren't wrong just because you disagree with them. All that is is a difference of opinion, a disagreement if you will.
May 12, 200917 yr It's not your definition, it's your understanding. Seriously though, the amount of likeliness that I'm more intelligent than you is very high. keep telling yourself that... maybe one day it will come true and maybe the commonly accepted definition of opinion will be changed Once again, not the definition, but your understanding. I was actually agreeing with you but you decided to pick a fight for some strange reason. Probably another lack of understanding.
May 12, 200917 yr Like religion? what the bleep are you talking about... explain this example Opinions by their very nature are neither wrong nor right its called a dictionary, look it up Explain what? Opinions in religion AREN'T wrong b/c that's pure belief/faith. Opinions regarding baseball can be wrong...I already provided the Emilio Bonifacio example.
May 12, 200917 yr Explain what? Opinions in religion AREN'T wrong b/c that's pure belief/faith. Opinions regarding baseball can be wrong...I already provided the Emilio Bonifacio example. hahah you're getting dumber by the second, it seems... opinions in religion? again, what are you even talking about. opinions regarding baseball? opinion has what is commonly referred to as a DEFINITION... you obviously refuse to gain knowledge by finding out what that definition is. There aren't categories of opinion... lmao
May 12, 200917 yr we need uggla to start hitting and not a better place to start than in front of hanley.... plus last time he moved spots it ended up working out nicely. Maybe another move would do him well.
May 12, 200917 yr lolwut @ backstroke This is going to keep going back and forth, just like it did last night.I've already explained why and how I feel about this, and it's been responded to with 'lol but is an opinion!' I'm willing to accept that he believes that, but I'm also not going to stop thinking opinions can't be wrong. Now, if I think you're opinion is wrong an I back it up with something, why don't you go ahead and back your up with something. Then we can have a discussion. Discussions don't happen when one party can pull out the trump card of 'well it's my opinion, so that's it, you can't question it.' that stifles discussion. bob, opinions aren't wrong just because you disagree with them. All that is is a difference of opinion, a disagreement if you will. It's not about wrong or right, it's about bad or good. Opinions can be persuasive, but only the ideas they are based on can be said to be true or false." If they are based on false ideas, they can be said to be "bad opinions". And opinion isn't some end all, be all, iron clad, statement that can't be scrutinized. They, just like any other idea someone holds, can be called bad and flawed.
May 12, 200917 yr It's not your definition, it's your understanding. Seriously though, the amount of likeliness that I'm more intelligent than you is very high. keep telling yourself that... maybe one day it will come true and maybe the commonly accepted definition of opinion will be changed Once again, not the definition, but your understanding. I was actually agreeing with you but you decided to pick a fight for some strange reason. Probably another lack of understanding. I'm telling you the definition of opinion... look it up. I'm not telling you my "understanding" of it... you're fundamentally wrong. Unless, of course, you're of the opinion that widely accepted definitions should be changed (like the definition of what an opinion is)
May 12, 200917 yr lolwut @ backstroke This is going to keep going back and forth, just like it did last night.I've already explained why and how I feel about this, and it's been responded to with 'lol but is an opinion!' I'm willing to accept that he believes that, but I'm also not going to stop thinking opinions can't be wrong. Now, if I think you're opinion is wrong an I back it up with something, why don't you go ahead and back your up with something. Then we can have a discussion. Discussions don't happen when one party can pull out the trump card of 'well it's my opinion, so that's it, you can't question it.' that stifles discussion. bob, opinions aren't wrong just because you disagree with them. All that is is a difference of opinion, a disagreement if you will. It's not about wrong or right, it's about bad or good. Opinions can be persuasive, but only the ideas they are based on can be said to be true or false." If they are based on false ideas, they can be said to be "bad opinions". And opinion isn't some end all, be all, iron clad, statement that can't be scrutinized. They, just like any other idea someone holds, can be called bad and flawed. never said opinions cant be scrutinized. Thats called 'disagreement'. I just said that there is no such thing as wrong/right/bad/good opinion. There is JUST opinion. no modifier needed.
May 12, 200917 yr It's not your definition, it's your understanding. Seriously though, the amount of likeliness that I'm more intelligent than you is very high. keep telling yourself that... maybe one day it will come true and maybe the commonly accepted definition of opinion will be changed Once again, not the definition, but your understanding. I was actually agreeing with you but you decided to pick a fight for some strange reason. Probably another lack of understanding. I'm telling you the definition of opinion... look it up. I'm not telling you my "understanding" of it... you're fundamentally wrong. Unless, of course, you're of the opinion that widely accepted definitions should be changed (like the definition of what an opinion is) There is no point in any definition of the word "opinion" that says "an opinion is an opinion is an opinion... no such thing as a bad/wrong/incorrect opinion...". o?pin?ion (É™-pÄn'yÉ™n) n. 1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof. How can you say that something without any positive knowledge or proof can't be said to be flawed?
May 12, 200917 yr lolwut @ backstroke This is going to keep going back and forth, just like it did last night.I've already explained why and how I feel about this, and it's been responded to with 'lol but is an opinion!' I'm willing to accept that he believes that, but I'm also not going to stop thinking opinions can't be wrong. Now, if I think you're opinion is wrong an I back it up with something, why don't you go ahead and back your up with something. Then we can have a discussion. Discussions don't happen when one party can pull out the trump card of 'well it's my opinion, so that's it, you can't question it.' that stifles discussion. bob, opinions aren't wrong just because you disagree with them. All that is is a difference of opinion, a disagreement if you will. For the sake of saving bandwidth and the sanity of readers, I'm going to concede, because it's obviously not worth it. You've simply ignored every post made on this subject and stuck with your original point without any sign of budging. Good for you. I'm not saying I agree or disgree with you, I'm just saying I'm done fighting about this with you because you are showing no signs of caring about looking at this from any position but the one you took originally. I'm still going to call your opinion wrong if I disagree with it, and you will hopefully back it up with something more than 'it's my opinion' because that is a sign of a lazy mind. This board would be a lot better if there was some reasoning and logic and facts to back up opinions. Opinions are nice, but ultimately worthless without anything concrete to back them up. So yeah, I'll keep calling you wrong if your opinion isbased on faulty logic and the facts prove it, and if you want to defend your opinion, I welcome it. I'm not going to sit here listening to you go on and on about how an 'opinion can't be wrong', because I frankly don't care. I'm interested in what you are saying, not whether it's an opinion. Just back it up with something or shut up. If not, you might as well not even bother posting.
May 12, 200917 yr There is no point in any definition of the word "opinion" that says "an opinion is an opinion is an opinion... no such thing as a bad/wrong/incorrect opinion...". o?pin?ion (É™-pÄn'yÉ™n) n. 1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof. How can you say that something without any positive knowledge or proof can't be said to be flawed? because something that IS substantiated by positive knowledge or proof is known as a FACT. an opinion is based on an individuals perspective. show me somewhere, anywhere, that says an opinion can be either wrong or right... i'd love to see it
May 12, 200917 yr There is no point in any definition of the word "opinion" that says "an opinion is an opinion is an opinion... no such thing as a bad/wrong/incorrect opinion...". o?pin?ion (É™-pÄn'yÉ™n) n. 1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof. How can you say that something without any positive knowledge or proof can't be said to be flawed? because something that IS substantiated by positive knowledge or proof is known as a FACT. an opinion is based on an individuals perspective. show me somewhere, anywhere, that says an opinion can be either wrong or right... i'd love to see it If I showed you that, I'd not only be proving you wrong, but myself wrong. Opinions themselves can't be wrong You quoted that yourself. I assumed you had actually read it.
May 12, 200917 yr There is no point in any definition of the word "opinion" that says "an opinion is an opinion is an opinion... no such thing as a bad/wrong/incorrect opinion...". o?pin?ion (É™-pÄn'yÉ™n) n. 1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof. How can you say that something without any positive knowledge or proof can't be said to be flawed? because something that IS substantiated by positive knowledge or proof is known as a FACT. an opinion is based on an individuals perspective. show me somewhere, anywhere, that says an opinion can be either wrong or right... i'd love to see it If I showed you that, I'd not only be proving you wrong, but myself wrong. Opinions themselves can't be wrong You quoted that yourself. I assumed you had actually read it. Haha, they're droppin like flies seems like Erick has caught on since he stopped posting.... believe whatever you want, Rab. I just wanted to point out that its a FACT that there is no such thing as a "wrong" or "right" opinion. See kids, this is what happens when you tell somebody that you're smarter than them. If you have to say something like that, it probably isn't true.
May 12, 200917 yr Dropping like flies? That was literally my first post on this topic, where I was agreeing with you. You just jumped on something for no reason. Don't act like you "won" because you just stubbornly said the same thing over and over again while completely ignoring what other people were saying. And remember, I said I was most likely smarter than you for two reasons: 1) You decided that everyone else was dumber than you. and 2) It's extremely likely.
May 12, 200917 yr you're really considering my post a win for yourself? Are you serious? A win? no... let me explain something... 1) I don't take sports seriously 2) I take sports talk on a forum even less seriously than sports 3) Its the internet. Any 17 year old with half a brain can log-on and spew garbage so why take it seriously? I'm not trying to "win" or "lose" any arguements. I'm just trying to do my part to supress the dumbing down of America, be it on a small scale.
May 12, 200917 yr You basically just filibustered until everyone got tired of banging their heads against a wall. This I'd a victory born of persistence, not superior reasoning or a good argument. This is not a moral victory for you. You've still yet to respond to anyones specific points with anything other than 'lol I gots a dictionary.' there has not been any critical thinking in any of your posts. You're a f***ing character, man. Wow...
May 12, 200917 yr Dropping like flies? That was literally my first post on this topic, where I was agreeing with you. You just jumped on something for no reason. Don't act like you "won" because you just stubbornly said the same thing over and over again while completely ignoring what other people were saying. And remember, I said I was most likely smarter than you for two reasons: 1) You decided that everyone else was dumber than you. and 2) It's extremely likely. I don't have to decide someone is dumber than me if they say things like "wrong opinion". I KNOW I'm smarter if thats the case but I really don't care either way. I know how smart I am. I can only tell how smart others are on this forum by what they say and how they say it.
May 12, 200917 yr You should read your posts then, dude. You'd be surprised at how simplistic your arguments are.
May 12, 200917 yr You basically just filibustered until everyone got tired of banging their heads against a wall. This I'd a victory born of persistence, not superior reasoning or a good argument. This is not a moral victory for you. You're a f***ing character, man. Wow... I don't care about moral victory, dude. I just feel compelled to educate the less "fortunate"... for lack of a better term. When the words "wrong" and "opinion" are put together, I'll be right there to say to the person who said that "read a book, or two, or three. A mind is a terrible thing to waste"
May 12, 200917 yr You should read your posts then, dude. You'd be surprised at how simplistic your arguments are. I would ask for an example but seeing as I don't take sports, or sports talk for that matter, seriously; I'll just agree with you that some of my arguements are simplistic mostly due to the fact that I'm lazy and that trying to argue with some of the people on this forum is an exercise in troll-ism.
May 12, 200917 yr LOL. I'd consider arguing again, but I know you haven't read any posts in this thread.
May 12, 200917 yr Dropping like flies? That was literally my first post on this topic, where I was agreeing with you. You just jumped on something for no reason. Don't act like you "won" because you just stubbornly said the same thing over and over again while completely ignoring what other people were saying. And remember, I said I was most likely smarter than you for two reasons: 1) You decided that everyone else was dumber than you. and 2) It's extremely likely. I don't have to decide someone is dumber than me if they say things like "wrong opinion". I KNOW I'm smarter if thats the case but I really don't care either way. I know how smart I am. I can only tell how smart others are on this forum by what they say and how they say it. You're calling someone dumb based on the semantics of the word "wrong". Here is a great example. I voted for Obama for President. The reason I voted for him is because I felt that his opinions on how to run the country was that RIGHT way to do it and that McCain's was the WRONG way. There for, I felt his opinion was wrong. I didn't think McCain's opinions were false, but that they were the incorrect way to to run the country. And you do care. You've been arguing this for so long while blatantly insulting anyone you disagreed with and repeating "but I don't care" that it's pretty obvious that you do in fact care.
May 12, 200917 yr Haha, they're droppin like flies seems like Erick has caught on since he stopped posting.... believe whatever you want, Rab. I just wanted to point out that its a FACT that there is no such thing as a "wrong" or "right" opinion. See kids, this is what happens when you tell somebody that you're smarter than them. If you have to say something like that, it probably isn't true. I was eating at Wendy's with my brother, honey. Is that ok with you...in your opinion? This isn't really worth my time, anyways. You've already stated that you don't take this seriously, so I see no point in taking you seriously. It's a good thing you don't take it seriously, however. At least we now know that this is a joke. Now tell us a little more about how opinions can't be wrong...maybe you can mix in an example of someone who stated an incorrect fact. I'm still waiting for that one.
May 12, 200917 yr Dropping like flies? That was literally my first post on this topic, where I was agreeing with you. You just jumped on something for no reason. Don't act like you "won" because you just stubbornly said the same thing over and over again while completely ignoring what other people were saying. And remember, I said I was most likely smarter than you for two reasons: 1) You decided that everyone else was dumber than you. and 2) It's extremely likely. I don't have to decide someone is dumber than me if they say things like "wrong opinion". I KNOW I'm smarter if thats the case but I really don't care either way. I know how smart I am. I can only tell how smart others are on this forum by what they say and how they say it. You're calling someone dumb based on the semantics of the word "wrong". Here is a great example. I voted for Obama for President. The reason I voted for him is because I felt that his opinions on how to run the country was that RIGHT way to do it and that McCain's was the WRONG way. There for, I felt his opinion was wrong. I didn't think McCain's opinions were false, but that they were the incorrect way to to run the country. And you do care. You've been arguing this for so long while blatantly insulting anyone you disagreed with and repeating "but I don't care" that it's pretty obvious that you do in fact care. I'm blatantly insulting people who disagree with me? really? gosh, aren't we a little sensitive. I care when you tell me i'm wrong about something that is inarguably correct. I think you also have the definition of semantics wrong, as well. If you disagree with McCain's politics then thats all that is... a disagreement. Its not that his beliefs (or opinions) are wrong (incorrect/bad/etc... whatever synonym you want to use) its just that your beliefs are DIFFERENT than his. You can say you disagree with someones opinion. When you say that their opinion is wrong because of the fact you disagree then you're just being ignorant as to what an opinion is. I think I get it now you and Erick equate "wrong opinion" with "disagree". Which is a dumb way to go about it but hey, you seem comfortable in your ignorance so I guess there is nothing more I can say to change your mind that there is no such thing as a wrong (or right) opinion.
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