January 29, 201016 yr I can't figure out why some of you guys love Brett Carroll so much as we have seen this all before: Reggie Abercrombie played in 146 games for the Marlins and he was 69 for 331 (.208 avg, .593 OPS) with 55 runs scored, 7 homers, 29 RBIs and 13 stolen bases. He was 26 years old in his last season (2007) with the Marlins. Brett Carroll has played in 141 games for the Marlins and he is 43 for 207 (.208 avg, .597 OPS) with 33 runs scored, 3 homers and 21 RBIs. He was 26 years old last season for the Marlins. Look how close those numbers are.
January 29, 201016 yr http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=6815753 http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=6900009 http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=6701325 http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=4886547 http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=6749461 http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=4456783 All reasons why I love Brett Carroll, among many more. Also, small sample sizes FTW
January 29, 201016 yr I can't figure out why some of you guys love Brett Carroll so much as we have seen this all before: Reggie Abercrombie played in 146 games for the Marlins and he was 69 for 331 (.208 avg, .593 OPS) with 55 runs scored, 7 homers, 29 RBIs and 13 stolen bases. He was 26 years old in his last season (2007) with the Marlins. Brett Carroll has played in 141 games for the Marlins and he is 43 for 207 (.208 avg, .597 OPS) with 33 runs scored, 3 homers and 21 RBIs. He was 26 years old last season for the Marlins. Look how close those numbers are. Yes, but Brett Carroll is a master with the glove! Not sure what any of the metrics say, but he has great range and an AMAZING arm. His value as a defensive replacement overshadows his below average numbers at the plate.
January 29, 201016 yr Author That's all fine and great in the old days when you had 10 man pitching staffs and you could carry a guy like Carroll that can't hit his way out of a wet paper bag.
January 29, 201016 yr Author http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=6815753 http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=6900009 http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=6701325 http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=4886547 http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=6749461 http://www.mlb.com/m...tent_id=4456783 All reasons why I love Brett Carroll, among many more. Also, small sample sizes FTW The small sample size is why I compared him to another ex-Marlin with small sample sizes. Can't argue with the numbers huh?
January 29, 201016 yr That's all fine and great in the old days when you had 10 man pitching staffs and you could carry a guy like Carroll that can't hit his way out of a wet paper bag. There is definitely still room in this league for defensive replacements. There is absolutely noone in our system I would rather have his roster spot right now.
January 29, 201016 yr Carroll and Abercrombie aren't compareable defensively, and Carroll has a lot more room for improvement offensively, as we saw spurts of success last year offensively. I think Abercrombie has room to improve too, thus the reasons the Astros gave him a chance. I don't think anybody here is considering him an MLB starter caliber RIGHT NOW, but he could easily be a platoon player and defensive replacement on any team based on his tremendous defense and good splits. Don't know why anybody would hate the kind of production Carroll could bring to this team, and how good he could get both offensively and defensively over time.
January 29, 201016 yr Carroll and Abercrombie aren't compareable defensively, and Carroll has a lot more room for improvement offensively, as we saw spurts of success last year offensively. I think Abercrombie has room to improve too, thus the reasons the Astros gave him a chance. I don't think anybody here is considering him an MLB starter caliber RIGHT NOW, but he could easily be a platoon player and defensive replacement on any team based on his tremendous defense and good splits. Don't know why anybody would hate the kind of production Carroll could bring to this team, and how good he could get both offensively and defensively over time. I'm pretty sure FishDynasty does.
January 29, 201016 yr Carroll and Abercrombie aren't compareable defensively, and Carroll has a lot more room for improvement offensively, as we saw spurts of success last year offensively. I think Abercrombie has room to improve too, thus the reasons the Astros gave him a chance. I don't think anybody here is considering him an MLB starter caliber RIGHT NOW, but he could easily be a platoon player and defensive replacement on any team based on his tremendous defense and good splits. Don't know why anybody would hate the kind of production Carroll could bring to this team, and how good he could get both offensively and defensively over time. I'm pretty sure FishDynasty does. Depends on what you call a starting caliber player though. The OP seems to think that if he were to be a starter he would be the worst left fielder in the MLB, or at least one of the worst. If we take the 30 starting MLB players at his position, he could very easily fall into the top 20 (and possibly higher), which I would consider a starting caliber player. Forget the whole Uggla/Coghlan vs Coghlan/Carroll thread for now. Think of who could possibly be a better starter in left/right field if Uggla were to be traded (assuming Coghlan takes over at second base.) Our outfield would be Ross-Maybin-LF or RF TBA. If someone could fill in that TBA spot with someone better than Carroll that we currently have in this system, I'd love to hear the name.
January 29, 201016 yr Carroll is definitely a great defender, but Abercrombie actually had a pretty good amount of range in CF. He didn't make the highlight reel catches that Amezaga made, but that's because the balls Amezaga had to dive for would have been caught in stride by Abercrombie. As it is, I see no problem with Carroll being a backup OFer and defensive replacement, but I really worried about the way the outfield was going to shape up before we retained Uggla because there is no way a team should ever go into a season with a Brett Carroll as starter.
January 29, 201016 yr Carroll is definitely a great defender, but Abercrombie actually had a pretty good amount of range in CF. He didn't make the highlight reel catches that Amezaga made, but that's because the balls Amezaga had to dive for would have been caught in stride by Abercrombie. As it is, I see no problem with Carroll being a backup OFer and defensive replacement, but I really worried about the way the outfield was going to shape up before we retained Uggla because there is no way a team should ever go into a season with a Brett Carroll as starter. The Team is much better with Carroll. I for one believe he has been underused actually. He has the strongest arm a is probably our best defensive outfielder. He can hit as well...sometimes you have to look beyond the stats try getting one at bat a week and see how your batting average holds up. It almost seemed like forever for Fredi to discover Carroll was on his bench. That is one reason I do not want Amezaga on the roster, he was actually taking playing time from guys like Carroll who is a bonofide major league outfielder...and for what reason ? He does a dance. Going back to BC he actually completes the bench, not all players need to be all stars to make a winning ballclub.
January 29, 201016 yr Carroll and Abercrombie aren't compareable defensively, and Carroll has a lot more room for improvement offensively, as we saw spurts of success last year offensively. I think Abercrombie has room to improve too, thus the reasons the Astros gave him a chance. I don't think anybody here is considering him an MLB starter caliber RIGHT NOW, but he could easily be a platoon player and defensive replacement on any team based on his tremendous defense and good splits. Don't know why anybody would hate the kind of production Carroll could bring to this team, and how good he could get both offensively and defensively over time. I'm pretty sure FishDynasty does. I do. I think he'd be a slightly below average-to-average corner OFer.
January 29, 201016 yr What is there not to love about Carroll. I could careless about numbers, I love to watch every inning he is playing. Cant hate on a guy that put his body on the line and gives you 100% all the time.
January 29, 201016 yr Brett Caroll is going to be one bad ass 4th out fielder. He shouldn't be a starter if we can help it.
January 29, 201016 yr I can't figure out why some of you guys love Brett Carroll so much as we have seen this all before: Reggie Abercrombie played in 146 games for the Marlins and he was 69 for 331 (.208 avg, .593 OPS) with 55 runs scored, 7 homers, 29 RBIs and 13 stolen bases. He was 26 years old in his last season (2007) with the Marlins. Brett Carroll has played in 141 games for the Marlins and he is 43 for 207 (.208 avg, .597 OPS) with 33 runs scored, 3 homers and 21 RBIs. He was 26 years old last season for the Marlins. Look how close those numbers are. I know that I am totally disregarding your point here. But what strikes me the most about your post is the fact that Reggie scored 55 runs while only getting 69 hits. I know he hardly walked. So, for all intents and purposes, he scored a run every time he got on base. That is relatively impressive!!
January 29, 201016 yr I can't figure out why some of you guys love Brett Carroll so much as we have seen this all before: Reggie Abercrombie played in 146 games for the Marlins and he was 69 for 331 (.208 avg, .593 OPS) with 55 runs scored, 7 homers, 29 RBIs and 13 stolen bases. He was 26 years old in his last season (2007) with the Marlins. Brett Carroll has played in 141 games for the Marlins and he is 43 for 207 (.208 avg, .597 OPS) with 33 runs scored, 3 homers and 21 RBIs. He was 26 years old last season for the Marlins. Look how close those numbers are. I know that I am totally disregarding your point here. But what strikes me the most about your post is the fact that Reggie scored 55 runs while only getting 69 hits. I know he hardly walked. So, for all intents and purposes, he scored a run every time he got on base. That is relatively impressive!! Pinch running helped that out a lot. In 2007 he had 16 runs scored and only 15 hits.
January 29, 201016 yr I don't remember Abercrombie being good defensively. He had decent range but never took good routes to the ball. He also didn't have the best arm and had his share of defensive gaffes. It's also worth mentioning that Abercrombie had a decent stretch of games where he was starting and had some job security. Carroll hasn't really been given that opportunity and has been reduced to spot starting and pinch hitting roles. If Carroll were given that chance I think he could put up much better offensive numbers than Abercrombie ever did.
January 29, 201016 yr Yeah, but have you guys seen that homerun Reggie hit in Cincy!? That ball is still going somewhere in orbit! If it were a space probe it would have discovered alien life by now.
January 29, 201016 yr Hey bobbob, we should be BFFs 'cause we agree on stuff PWG where you been? Nice seeing you around again
January 29, 201016 yr I don't remember Abercrombie being good defensively. He had decent range but never took good routes to the ball. He also didn't have the best arm and had his share of defensive gaffes. It's also worth mentioning that Abercrombie had a decent stretch of games where he was starting and had some job security. Carroll hasn't really been given that opportunity and has been reduced to spot starting and pinch hitting roles. If Carroll were given that chance I think he could put up much better offensive numbers than Abercrombie ever did. BC is a much better outfielder than Abercrombie and a much more reliable hitter. If Abercrombie ever could make contact with the ball with his tools he probably not only be a starter but also an All Star but as it is now it usually is ..."A swing and a miss". Then again if my grandma had wheels she would be a bicycle...
January 29, 201016 yr I think the simple answer as to why there's love for BC is because: 1) He works as hard, if not harder, than anyone on the team to improve his game. While we can't necessarily call the Marlins a "young team" anymore, you do have a few personalities that this kind of professional approach needs to rub off on. 2) He doesn't complain about his limited playing time or his role seeming to be limited to late-inning defensive replacement. He accepts that as his place on the team and remains focused on the time when he his needed, not dwelling on the the time he is not. 3) His defensive ability is unmatched by anyone left on this team if Amazing leaves. Contrary to popular belief, defense is important in baseball, especially with the cavernous OF of DS. 4) He's a nice guy that is very accomodating to the fans. It is easy to dwell on his poor offensive numbers, but like Eddie pointed out, when you get 1 token AB every few games or so, it's extremely difficult for even the best hitters to get in a rhythm and put up ok numbers. Actually, there was some time there earlier last season, I believe it was between Maybin gettign sent down and CC getting pulled up, that BC got some decent playing time and his numbers improved pretty dramatically. I'd like to see his numbers as a PH/Defensive replacement vs. games started, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a difference.
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