I'm not a genius for defensive statistics, but what are Maybin's defensive stats? It was said he was ready defensively for the big leagues all along, but honestly, I don't see it. Not saying the ball was catchable, but in the 5th inning today, that "double" looked like it was misplayed. There have been a bunch of balls he's misplayed this year, so far. I'm surprised no one has started Hermida-like rants about him, yet.

I'm not a genius for defensive statistics, but what are Maybin's defensive stats? It was said he was ready defensively for the big leagues all along, but honestly, I don't see it. Not saying the ball was catchable, but in the 5th inning today, that "double" looked like it was misplayed. There have been a bunch of balls he's misplayed this year, so far. I'm surprised no one has started Hermida-like rants about him, yet.

 

 

I actually questioned whether having him in center by default over the GG-contender Cody Ross was a good move, but got blasted for it. Honestly I'm much more concerned about the offense, since I was pretty sure in December '07 that this team did nothing but trade for a mirage at the plate and Maybin has really done not a single thing to convince me otherwise in over 2 years.

I'm not a genius for defensive statistics, but what are Maybin's defensive stats? It was said he was ready defensively for the big leagues all along, but honestly, I don't see it. Not saying the ball was catchable, but in the 5th inning today, that "double" looked like it was misplayed. There have been a bunch of balls he's misplayed this year, so far. I'm surprised no one has started Hermida-like rants about him, yet.

 

 

I actually questioned whether having him in center by default over the GG-contender Cody Ross was a good move, but got blasted for it. Honestly I'm much more concerned about the offense, since I was pretty sure in December '07 that this team did nothing but trade for a mirage at the plate and Maybin has really done not a single thing to convince me otherwise in over 2 years.

 

 

Actually, I'm more concerned about the defense. When that trade was made, no one expected Maybin to produce like a Miguel Cabrera, offensively. Maybin's spectacular defensive abilities were supposed to, somewhat, overcome the offensive differences, and as of right now I'd rather have Cody Ross playing CF. I don't know if Cody catches that ball today in the 5th inning, but I guarantee he makes it close, at least.

Not to mention that after a bright start at the plate, he hasn't had that many hits recently

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5223&position=OF

 

Scroll down to "Advanced Fielding".

 

He's been below average this year, but his track record is well above-average for his career. He'll be fine defensively.

Not to mention that after a bright start at the plate, he hasn't had that many hits recently

 

 

 

Yeah, he's not been good, offensively, I know that. Not sure about his defensive statistics, though.

I'm not a genius for defensive statistics, but what are Maybin's defensive stats? It was said he was ready defensively for the big leagues all along, but honestly, I don't see it. Not saying the ball was catchable, but in the 5th inning today, that "double" looked like it was misplayed. There have been a bunch of balls he's misplayed this year, so far. I'm surprised no one has started Hermida-like rants about him, yet.

 

 

I actually questioned whether having him in center by default over the GG-contender Cody Ross was a good move, but got blasted for it. Honestly I'm much more concerned about the offense, since I was pretty sure in December '07 that this team did nothing but trade for a mirage at the plate and Maybin has really done not a single thing to convince me otherwise in over 2 years.

 

 

Actually, I'm more concerned about the defense. When that trade was made, no one expected Maybin to produce like a Miguel Cabrera, offensively. Maybin's spectacular defensive abilities were supposed to, somewhat, overcome the offensive differences, and as of right now I'd rather have Cody Ross playing CF. I don't know if Cody catches that ball today in the 5th inning, but I guarantee he makes it close, at least.

 

The thing is, I do really care about the offense when you are traded for a superstar caliber player. One of the worst trends I've seen in baseball recently, right up there with the managerial belief that losses in April don't count as much as ones in September, is the trading of guys like Cabrera and John Santana for guys with tools that cannot be quantified and which simply don't translate to production. Production translates to production. How a team can feel good about themselves after trading a guy who is capable of winning an MVP or Cy Young for a guy who is "fast!" is beyond me. So unfortunately for Maybin, I've been skeptical since day one that, even if he did play amazing defense, as a best-case scenario Mike Cameron type of guy that he could really replace a best-case scenario what he already is, one of the top 5 hitters in the game and HOF pace Miguel Cabrera.

I'm not a genius for defensive statistics, but what are Maybin's defensive stats? It was said he was ready defensively for the big leagues all along, but honestly, I don't see it. Not saying the ball was catchable, but in the 5th inning today, that "double" looked like it was misplayed. There have been a bunch of balls he's misplayed this year, so far. I'm surprised no one has started Hermida-like rants about him, yet.

 

 

I actually questioned whether having him in center by default over the GG-contender Cody Ross was a good move, but got blasted for it. Honestly I'm much more concerned about the offense, since I was pretty sure in December '07 that this team did nothing but trade for a mirage at the plate and Maybin has really done not a single thing to convince me otherwise in over 2 years.

 

 

Actually, I'm more concerned about the defense. When that trade was made, no one expected Maybin to produce like a Miguel Cabrera, offensively. Maybin's spectacular defensive abilities were supposed to, somewhat, overcome the offensive differences, and as of right now I'd rather have Cody Ross playing CF. I don't know if Cody catches that ball today in the 5th inning, but I guarantee he makes it close, at least.

 

The thing is, I do really care about the offense when you are traded for a superstar caliber player. One of the worst trends I've seen in baseball recently, right up there with the managerial belief that losses in April don't count as much as ones in September, is the trading of guys like Cabrera and John Santana for guys with tools that cannot be quantified and which simply don't translate to production. Production translates to production. How a team can feel good about themselves after trading a guy who is capable of winning an MVP or Cy Young for a guy who is "fast!" is beyond me. So unfortunately for Maybin, I've been skeptical since day one that, even if he did play amazing defense, as a best-case scenario Mike Cameron type of guy that he could really replace a best-case scenario what he already is, one of the top 5 hitters in the game and HOF pace Miguel Cabrera.

 

 

Maybin isn't just "fast," though. He put up #'s in the minors, and was one of the best prospects in baseball, at one point. So was Andrew Miller. They were great prospects, and they haven't panned out, yet. Burke Badenhop's been the best part of the deal, so far.

I'm not a genius for defensive statistics, but what are Maybin's defensive stats? It was said he was ready defensively for the big leagues all along, but honestly, I don't see it. Not saying the ball was catchable, but in the 5th inning today, that "double" looked like it was misplayed. There have been a bunch of balls he's misplayed this year, so far. I'm surprised no one has started Hermida-like rants about him, yet.

 

 

I actually questioned whether having him in center by default over the GG-contender Cody Ross was a good move, but got blasted for it. Honestly I'm much more concerned about the offense, since I was pretty sure in December '07 that this team did nothing but trade for a mirage at the plate and Maybin has really done not a single thing to convince me otherwise in over 2 years.

 

 

Actually, I'm more concerned about the defense. When that trade was made, no one expected Maybin to produce like a Miguel Cabrera, offensively. Maybin's spectacular defensive abilities were supposed to, somewhat, overcome the offensive differences, and as of right now I'd rather have Cody Ross playing CF. I don't know if Cody catches that ball today in the 5th inning, but I guarantee he makes it close, at least.

 

The thing is, I do really care about the offense when you are traded for a superstar caliber player. One of the worst trends I've seen in baseball recently, right up there with the managerial belief that losses in April don't count as much as ones in September, is the trading of guys like Cabrera and John Santana for guys with tools that cannot be quantified and which simply don't translate to production. Production translates to production. How a team can feel good about themselves after trading a guy who is capable of winning an MVP or Cy Young for a guy who is "fast!" is beyond me. So unfortunately for Maybin, I've been skeptical since day one that, even if he did play amazing defense, as a best-case scenario Mike Cameron type of guy that he could really replace a best-case scenario what he already is, one of the top 5 hitters in the game and HOF pace Miguel Cabrera.

 

 

Maybin isn't just "fast," though. He put up #'s in the minors, and was one of the best prospects in baseball, at one point. So was Andrew Miller. They were great prospects, and they haven't panned out, yet. Burke Badenhop's been the best part of the deal, so far.

 

It's not just Maybin though. Last year, the team really dumped off a tool-less but excellent producing Josh Willingham for a player who the front office propaganda machine tried to get us excited about all through the offseason in Emilio Bonifacio. Bonifacio couldn't replicate Hammer's .AVG, much less the slugging or OBP, and his lack of ability to use his speed and negative baserunning ability even made that aspect of the game a complete wash. I realize that there were more factors involved in the two players and you can't directly compare a LFer's offense with a 3B, but still, it's impossible to dispute that the FO had a major man-crush on Bonifacio, and when it all boils down it was simply because he was fast and that was somehow going to make him a worthwhile baseball player.

 

In my mind, Miller was traded for Dontrelle. Badenhop has turned out nice, but those 18 other guys who are all gone by now were just there to confuse those who thought quantity was quality, just like every trade the Pirates make.

Maybin does have trouble getting good jumps on balls and usually takes a bad first step.

 

Despite Maybin's hot start I still thought going into this season hes was going to hit poorly. His eye has been better than I thought it would be though. I just hate his swing. He rolls his top wrist over almost every swing and is always pulling his front shoulder out. If he could keep his front shoulder in and quit rolling his wrist I think he could drive so many more pitches to right center instead of fouling them off, pulling them for weak grounders, or missing them. He still is very raw imo.

Despite some of the limited success he had a little while ago, Maybin is not a lead off hitter. Having him and a struggling Coghlan at the top of our line up really hurts. Not that I am blaming the manager for this either...there are few options.

Maybin does have trouble getting good jumps on balls and usually takes a bad first step.

 

Despite Maybin's hot start I still thought going into this season hes was going to hit poorly. His eye has been better than I thought it would be though. I just hate his swing. He rolls his top wrist over almost every swing and is always pulling his front shoulder out. If he could keep his front shoulder in and quit rolling his wrist I think he could drive so many more pitches to right center instead of fouling them off, pulling them for weak grounders, or missing them. He still is very raw imo.

 

 

Interesting take. I really haven't been paying that much attention to his ABs, maybe I should. I usually tend to think pitchers are adjusting to a player and the player not doing any adjusting, instead of looking at swing flaws.

 

His defense has improved greatly from when he was brought in here. And actually has improved this season as well. I read someplace that he has been working real hard with extra time in practice, and I think it is paying off. He seems to be holding his ground more until he has picked up on the ball instead of initially reacting to the swing. At least to me. That's a pretty big step forward. Yesterday's 5th inning double should have been caught. BUT Anyone that has sat in our OF at a day game will tell you it is very hard to pick up on the ball with the glare in Joe Robbie. His initial reaction was to react to the swing, most likely because you just can't see the ball well under those circumstances, and then I don't think he ever had the ball in his sights very well. He didn't display that speed very well and that ball really carried. To me that means he never had a good read on it.

Maybin just isn't going to make it. Better to admit it now than continue the .300 OBP any longer. The strikeout rate for a non-power hitter are unacceptable as well. Trade him to the Pirates.

 

It isn't as if the Marlins are lacking for options. Ross is a better center fielder and a mediocre (not awful) hitter. Stanton was the best hitter on the team in spring training, the best hitter in their minor league system now, and will likely be the best hitter on the varsity .... this year. Bring him up now. These games mean as much as the ones in September.

Maybin does have trouble getting good jumps on balls and usually takes a bad first step.

 

Despite Maybin's hot start I still thought going into this season hes was going to hit poorly. His eye has been better than I thought it would be though. I just hate his swing. He rolls his top wrist over almost every swing and is always pulling his front shoulder out. If he could keep his front shoulder in and quit rolling his wrist I think he could drive so many more pitches to right center instead of fouling them off, pulling them for weak grounders, or missing them. He still is very raw imo.

 

 

Interesting take. I really haven't been paying that much attention to his ABs, maybe I should. I usually tend to think pitchers are adjusting to a player and the player not doing any adjusting, instead of looking at swing flaws.

 

His defense has improved greatly from when he was brought in here. And actually has improved this season as well. I read someplace that he has been working real hard with extra time in practice, and I think it is paying off. He seems to be holding his ground more until he has picked up on the ball instead of initially reacting to the swing. At least to me. That's a pretty big step forward. Yesterday's 5th inning double should have been caught. BUT Anyone that has sat in our OF at a day game will tell you it is very hard to pick up on the ball with the glare in Joe Robbie. His initial reaction was to react to the swing, most likely because you just can't see the ball well under those circumstances, and then I don't think he ever had the ball in his sights very well. He didn't display that speed very well and that ball really carried. To me that means he never had a good read on it.

 

I'm sure the pitchers adjusting to him also has contributed a lot to his lack of hitting.

Where is all this hate coming from? He has been pretty solid at the plate to me for a rookie. He just eeds to learn to hit with risp but that will come/.

Where is all this hate coming from? He has been pretty solid at the plate to me for a rookie. He just eeds to learn to hit with risp but that will come/.

 

 

Dude, he's not a rookie and hasn't been for like two years. The problem is that he's never progressed beyond being a rookie in quality of play.

Where is all this hate coming from? He has been pretty solid at the plate to me for a rookie. He just eeds to learn to hit with risp but that will come/.

 

 

 

This isn't his first go around, and a .259/.315/.341 line with 7 walks and 29 strikeouts is certainly not "pretty solid," at all. It's amazing our offense has been solid with our #1 & 2 hitters sucking so much, for the first month of the season.

Where is all this hate coming from? He has been pretty solid at the plate to me for a rookie. He just eeds to learn to hit with risp but that will come/.

 

 

 

This isn't his first go around, and a .259/.315/.341 line with 7 walks and 29 strikeouts is certainly not "pretty solid," at all. It's amazing our offense has been solid with our #1 & 2 hitters sucking so much, for the first month of the season.

 

 

But he technically still is a rookie and he has been doing his job in scoring runs and dont take that line too seriously. 4 days ago he was hitting 278/.333/.375/.708 and one week ago he was hitting

302./362/.413/775

 

ITs april. numbers fluctuate.

Where is all this hate coming from? He has been pretty solid at the plate to me for a rookie. He just eeds to learn to hit with risp but that will come/.

 

 

 

This isn't his first go around, and a .259/.315/.341 line with 7 walks and 29 strikeouts is certainly not "pretty solid," at all. It's amazing our offense has been solid with our #1 & 2 hitters sucking so much, for the first month of the season.

 

 

But he technically still is a rookie and he has been doing his job in scoring runs and dont take that line too seriously. 4 days ago he was hitting 278/.333/.375/.708 and one week ago he was hitting

302./362/.413/775

 

ITs april. numbers fluctuate.

 

Batting average fluctuates, but if he had any kind of power production (in other words, if he could do anything but hit it on the ground) then those numbers wouldn't really be fluctuating as much.

and will likely be the best hitter on the varsity .... this year.

 

Seriously.

 

You are a troll.

Batting average fluctuates, but if he had any kind of power production (in other words, if he could do anything but hit it on the ground) then those numbers wouldn't really be fluctuating as much.

 

 

Wait, what?

 

If anything in a small sample size slugging is more likely to be prone to fluctuations, seeing as slugging percentage is based on 4.000 as opposed to 1.000. A home run is going to increase your OPS much more than a single.

I'm not a genius for defensive statistics, but what are Maybin's defensive stats? It was said he was ready defensively for the big leagues all along, but honestly, I don't see it. Not saying the ball was catchable, but in the 5th inning today, that "double" looked like it was misplayed. There have been a bunch of balls he's misplayed this year, so far. I'm surprised no one has started Hermida-like rants about him, yet.

 

 

He looks goofy out there... but Hermida simply didnt just misplay stuff, he looked like an idiot.

Goodness sakes. Nobody hates or dislikes Cameron Maybin. I just dislike that he is playing for the Marlins.

 

And it is trolling to believe that Mike Stanton will be the best Marlin hitter this season? What reason is there NOT to believe it. His time has come.

And it is trolling to believe that Mike Stanton will be the best Marlin hitter this season? What reason is there NOT to believe it. His time has come.

 

Maybe because we have the national league batting champion on the team who has had over a .940 OPS for three seasons.

I agree. Maybin is weak contributor. Coghlan has had bettter at bats than him, even when he was hitting .120.

 

 

That is a real failure in logic there... not that Maybin has been amazing but Coghlan hasnt done anything to have his name be above Maybin. Maybin has contributed much more at the plate then Coghlan.