June 18, 201016 yr Don't even try to argue with Spike about Shelby Miller. He's declared the last two drafts a failure before the drafts have even ended. Chad James is just as good of a prospect as Shelby Miller. Miller asked for top 10 money, no team wants to pay that kind of money to a mid 15 caliber talent at 19 iirc. James was and still is the right choice at that slot. Get over it. No, James is not as good of a prospect as Miller. And its alot like you with Mike Minor, a guy who is 22 years old already and strugga-ling. And you are the only one who thinks Miller wasnt a talent, you also made up lies about his scouting report(i.e. you constantly saying he has no control on his pitches, even though there is no written evidence of that anywhere, and he is showing much better control than James at this point). That said, Lou said what I was thinking but said it better than me. The organization has some prospects, but no real top prospects after Morrison and Stanton and pretty barren in some instances. Teams alot of the time promote their top prospects because they have good depth. The Marlins have no depth. did you not see my post where i labled depth at almost every position and almost every level. You gave Petersen and Cousins as examples, and neither one is all that good. So in other words, you were just wrong. i also said right after that that they really have no need for many OF prospects with stanton maybin, coghlan, morrison plays some left, we still have cody. i also wrote much more than that, so basically are you conceding that you are wrong and we have both a very deep and top 10 farm system?
June 18, 201016 yr That said, Lou said what I was thinking but said it better than me. The organization has some prospects, but no real top prospects after Morrison and Stanton and pretty barren in some instances. I kind of did, and didn't say that. We don't have an A, like we have had for years with Maybin, A. Miller, Stanton, and Morrison. I can agree to that. But Dominguez is really close. He is not that far away from Morrison. Morrison is just safe as sh*t which is why he is an A. Dominguez's defense and power potential is pretty serious. If he can hit .250 in the bigs and maintain his good walk rate, this is a big time fringe all star player on a peak year. And if he can hit .270, jackpot. 3B depth in the majors is really pathetic right now. He could be an enormous asset. Marinez, is also way up there. But he is a RP, and I understand the limitation of not slotting a guy who projects for 65 IP a season as not a prime prospect. But there is a big time impact. We'll have to wait another year to see with Hand, James, Rasmussen, Sanabia, and Yishek, or if god smiles and Skipworth stops striking out, but that is a pretty serious group. That's another rotation of young starters, and if the Marlins longterm can get Johnson, Volstad, and West going, we're going to be looking good in 2013 when Nolasco and Anibal are no longer under club control and have quite a few arms that look capable of handling the load. And future pen has a lot of candidates. Marinez, Jennings, and Ceda could be very exciting. I'm content with the Marlins system. It's not great, but it's not bad enough to criticize. This system is a "Stanton, Morrison, and West" away from being top 5 overall, and without those guys, is still pretty solid. If I'm forced to criticize on anything, it's the Skipworth pick. It's the only time I've found them picking really dumb. I would have selected Crow, and it's tough to see higher ranked guys like Smoak and Beckham go right after him. But I really don't like playing the draft pick game because every team in baseball passed on Mike Stanton once.
June 18, 201016 yr lou, what do you think is the best ccase scenario stat wise for morrison and dominguez?
June 18, 201016 yr lou, what do you think is the best ccase scenario stat wise for morrison and dominguez? I think a reasonable expectation is the way to judge prospects. Morrison should hit for average, walk, have slightly above average power, and struggle against lefties. I think a .285/.370/.465 (.835) line balances out how much power he will hit. If everything is perfect, he hits some lefties, the power stroke develops a little more, he'll turn into something like John Olerud/Will Clark, and hits perennially like .310/.400/.500 (.900). I'm really expecting a .825-.875 range of offense, and slightly below average defense. Making him a rather average 1B starter. If he can handle LF defensively, that would be an above average LF starter. Dominguez hasn't really shown average potential, so you have to keep him a little down from that. But he does BB and hit the crap out of the ball when he does hit it. I'm envisioning around a .250/.325/.425 (.750) basic line for him, where if he can hit a little more could jump huge to something like .275/.360/.500 (.860). There is more power potential upside here developing into a classic 3B slugger, but in all realism, he's probably a .725-.775 OPS range. Which combined with his defense, is really really fine. That's an average starter at 3B, with massive upside to become a really legitimate back end top 10 player at the position if the power comes. That's why I say, Dominguez due to position scarcity, has a much higher upside than Morrison. So it's balancing that upside, to Morrison's safety, at figuring who is the Marlins current top prospect. It's a lot closer call than people think. These are both real good prospects. Hanley, Stanton, and Maybin are the ones who have star-star potential. I can't say that about these two. These guys have above average potential to fall into the 8-15 range of top starters in the bigs. Basically, they are more Uggla than Hanley. Nothing wrong with that though.
June 19, 201016 yr I agree with you on Dominguez, which is why I said "after Dominguez". His biggest value is his defense, anything more than average offense is just gravy. The only thing I will disagree with you on is Morrison's D at 1B, which by all accounts is quite good. And its Yellich I believe.
June 19, 201016 yr A couple of questions regarding minor leaguers. How long is Ryan Tucker being suspended for? I know he had a run in with an ump, but I didn't hear anything along the lines of throwing a bat him or anything else like that. Also when will Kyle Kaminska and Isaac Galloway come off the DL for Jupiter? I want to see Jupiter play a few times this summer, but not much to look at with Marinez up and Galloway DL'ed Thanks for all the useless drivel regarding the state of the farm system, anyone who has the real answers to my questions feel free to Pm it to me
June 19, 201016 yr A couple of questions regarding minor leaguers. How long is Ryan Tucker being suspended for? I know he had a run in with an ump, but I didn't hear anything along the lines of throwing a bat him or anything else like that. Also when will Kyle Kaminska and Isaac Galloway come off the DL for Jupiter? I want to see Jupiter play a few times this summer, but not much to look at with Marinez up and Galloway DL'ed Thanks for all the useless drivel regarding the state of the farm system, anyone who has the real answers to my questions feel free to Pm it to me The suspension was indefinite. Your guess is as good as anyones outside the organization. DL information is hard to come by unless there is a forum poster in that affiliates city and keeping very informed. Mass news media doesn't care about Kaminska unfortunately. And BA, BP, Rotoworld, etc, will only really cover the top guys which those two are not. Jupiter is really terrible. A lot of good arms, but just a struggling Smolinski when it comes to the bats. Hand is by far the best bet.
June 19, 201016 yr More secondary guys, there are a ton of high impact arms, like Tucker, Cishek, Parcell, Andre, Jennings, etc, that all profile are potential plus relievers. Most organizations don't have this depth. All these guys are better than "Wood/Buente," who are the typical call ups of organizations. I'd really only say Tucker and Jennings fit that mold. Cishek, Parcell, Andre are definitely a lot more Wood than they are plus relievers. As far as Dominguez goes, to the constant "his expectation is an average 3b" that I've seen multiple people say in this thread, that's a no. Well, depending on your expectation, but I'd put that same as Lou at .750 OPS. but, with his defense .700 OPS = average (Pedro Feliz) (~2 WAR) .750 OPS = above average (Joe Crede) (~3 WAR) .800 OPS = very good (adrian beltre's career, ryan zimmerman 2006-2008) (~4 WAR) .850 OPS = incredibly good (Eric Chavez Pre-injuries) (~5.5 WAR) .900 OPS = Hanley territory (the next Mike Schmidt, how much longer until this becomes the next Evan Longoria) (~7 WAR) For Morrison, you basically add 100 OPS to that .800 OPS = average .850 OPS = above average ... 1.000 OPS = Hanley territory Now, I'd say it's incredibly unlikely for Dominguez to be in the .900 range. He really has only shown one above average ability (Power). And for him to hit the .850 range, he'd need another power surge (which is certainly possible with his age, but unlikely), so you more or less call his range .700-.800 (2-4 WAR). I'd certainly say morrison is same thing in his range, you say .800-.900 OPS. But morrison has shown above average walking abillity, above average contact ability, above average average (teehee) ability. And with his swing and physical prowess, above average power is not just a pipe dream. He could hit 1.000 OPS and I don't think anyone would really be surprised.
June 19, 201016 yr A couple of questions regarding minor leaguers. How long is Ryan Tucker being suspended for? I know he had a run in with an ump, but I didn't hear anything along the lines of throwing a bat him or anything else like that. Also when will Kyle Kaminska and Isaac Galloway come off the DL for Jupiter? I want to see Jupiter play a few times this summer, but not much to look at with Marinez up and Galloway DL'ed Thanks for all the useless drivel regarding the state of the farm system, anyone who has the real answers to my questions feel free to Pm it to me The suspension was indefinite. Your guess is as good as anyones outside the organization. DL information is hard to come by unless there is a forum poster in that affiliates city and keeping very informed. Mass news media doesn't care about Kaminska unfortunately. And BA, BP, Rotoworld, etc, will only really cover the top guys which those two are not. Jupiter is really terrible. A lot of good arms, but just a struggling Smolinski when it comes to the bats. Hand is by far the best bet. Why would you even bother to answer someone so ridiculously rude?
June 19, 201016 yr A couple of questions regarding minor leaguers. How long is Ryan Tucker being suspended for? I know he had a run in with an ump, but I didn't hear anything along the lines of throwing a bat him or anything else like that. Also when will Kyle Kaminska and Isaac Galloway come off the DL for Jupiter? I want to see Jupiter play a few times this summer, but not much to look at with Marinez up and Galloway DL'ed Thanks for all the useless drivel regarding the state of the farm system, anyone who has the real answers to my questions feel free to Pm it to me The suspension was indefinite. Your guess is as good as anyones outside the organization. DL information is hard to come by unless there is a forum poster in that affiliates city and keeping very informed. Mass news media doesn't care about Kaminska unfortunately. And BA, BP, Rotoworld, etc, will only really cover the top guys which those two are not. Jupiter is really terrible. A lot of good arms, but just a struggling Smolinski when it comes to the bats. Hand is by far the best bet. Why would you even bother to answer someone so ridiculously rude? Seriousely.
June 19, 201016 yr A couple of questions regarding minor leaguers. How long is Ryan Tucker being suspended for? I know he had a run in with an ump, but I didn't hear anything along the lines of throwing a bat him or anything else like that. Also when will Kyle Kaminska and Isaac Galloway come off the DL for Jupiter? I want to see Jupiter play a few times this summer, but not much to look at with Marinez up and Galloway DL'ed Thanks for all the useless drivel regarding the state of the farm system, anyone who has the real answers to my questions feel free to Pm it to me The suspension was indefinite. Your guess is as good as anyones outside the organization. DL information is hard to come by unless there is a forum poster in that affiliates city and keeping very informed. Mass news media doesn't care about Kaminska unfortunately. And BA, BP, Rotoworld, etc, will only really cover the top guys which those two are not. Jupiter is really terrible. A lot of good arms, but just a struggling Smolinski when it comes to the bats. Hand is by far the best bet. Thanks, Jupiter does look bad this year, but I'd still like to support the youngsters regardless
June 20, 201016 yr The important thing to remember in this discuss is that while spike speaks like he knows all he, 1) routinely says that miller was a consensus top 10 pick while James was a consensus compensation pick while never providing any source for that and ignoring all evidence presented to the contrary And 2) he predicted gaby would iso .065 this season, which is one of the most laughably retarded things I've ever heard.
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