What's Valentine's managerial style?

 

I think he's a bunt them over, move them over, station to station, stolen base kind of guy but I'm not sure. Anyone know for sure?

 

I don't think he'll be a good fit with Beinfest as I don't see Valentine being the puppet Beinfest wants. They'll clash just like Girardi clashed with Beinfest. If this happens it will not end well.

 

Not sure if it was mentioned by anyone but last week Dave Collins ran the closed door meeting after being swept by the Rangers. That should have being a sign that Fredi's days were numbered.

 

This is what I'd like to know.

 

Everyone here seems to want this guy so much, but do they really know enough about him?

 

Beinfest's failures going into 2010 (bad bullpen, Maybin and Miller not contributing, bad bench players) far outweigh the negative consequences of Gonzalez's in-game management.

 

I think Beinfest is an above average GM and should keep his job, but it amazes me that he escapes criticism from the camp that has been calling for Fredi's head for almost two years now.

 

 

I think that's another exaggeration. I think it's more that everyone is just resigned to the fact he will be hired.

They've been talking about Valentine here for a year now.

 

And why is the Showalter vs. Valentine polls results so one-sided? This is what I am referring to. How is Valentine unanimously better?

And Shelby Miller is the next coming of Stephen Strasburg.

Says the guy who verbally fellated Mike Minor every chance he got. Shelby Miller is a hell of a prospect, and even though you made stuff up about him constantly(i.e. "he has no control", and were proven wrong every time you say it) you continue to bash the kid like its a good argument. Its not.

LOL. It's funny you turn what I said during the 09 draft "I like Minor as a prospect, wish the Marlins draft him", into an instant lovefest for him. I'm not going around all crazy angry because we never drafted him or had the chance to draft him.

 

You on the other hand bash the Marlins if they don't make any move that you don't approve of. Seems to me that you are extremely closed minded, and when I say something like "I like this prospect", you turn it into a 'OMG LLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE MIKE MINOR WANT HIS BABIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'..

 

 

And I've admitted I misread the scouting report about Miller. But hey, I've owned up. You are saying how Valentine is a terrible manager. Yeah, I guess that's why he turned the Rangers from a terrible team when he took over into an 87 win team immediately the season after. Same thing when he took over the Mets, and soon after took them to the World Series.

 

But yeah, he sucks because you said he sucks. No explanation needed. Spike says he sucks, he must suck.

 

Get over yourself.

I have mild opinions about everything. Bobby Valentine is an awful manager. He brings nothing to the table that Fredi didnt, and is a lateral move that will be more expensive.

 

So, a lateral move is "as bad as trading Luis Castillo for Travis Bowyer and [scott Tyler]"? And I can't think of a mild opinion you've stated.

Oh come on, at least go further and say that the Valentine hire is worse than the Cabrera trade (officially the new standard for bad Marlins trades).

The Rangers finished 23 games under .500 Valentines first year there. They finished under .500 the two years immediately following that 87 win season and rarely finished much higher than .500 after that. With the Mets he had a bunch of average years with loaded teams and 2 good years. I have watched him manage. He makes the same poor mistakes Fredi does with bullpen management. He changes lineups damn near every game. I fail to see what everyone loves about him as Fredi's replacement.

Those Mets teams were only loaded with overpaid vets. The Texas teams didn't have any pitching.

even though you made stuff up about him constantly

 

 

You've got to be f***ing kidding me. This is a joke, right? You're just doing this to piss me off, right?

 

http://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/92400-anibal-sanchez/page__view__findpost__p__1937479

 

Read this post.

 

I've challenged you numerous times to provide proof for your bulls*** statement that every scouting report you read had Miller as a top 10 pick and Chad James as a compensation round pick. You've yet to provide even one piece of evidence for this. You've actually told me "But don't ask where I read it."

 

If you're not being serious, that's fine. But I suspect you are. So you are a clown.

The Rangers finished 23 games under .500 Valentines first year there. They finished under .500 the two years immediately following that 87 win season and rarely finished much higher than .500 after that. With the Mets he had a bunch of average years with loaded teams and 2 good years. I have watched him manage. He makes the same poor mistakes Fredi does with bullpen management. He changes lineups damn near every game. I fail to see what everyone loves about him as Fredi's replacement.

 

 

Luckily for us, there is no bullpen to manage,

even though you made stuff up about him constantly

 

 

You've got to be f***ing kidding me. This is a joke, right? You're just doing this to piss me off, right?

 

http://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/92400-anibal-sanchez/page__view__findpost__p__1937479

 

Read this post.

 

I've challenged you numerous times to provide proof for your bulls*** statement that every scouting report you read had Miller as a top 10 pick and Chad James as a compensation round pick. You've yet to provide even one piece of evidence for this. You've actually told me "But don't ask where I read it."

 

If you're not being serious, that's fine. But I suspect you are. So you are a clown.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/193185-2009-mlb-mock-draft-picks-1-10

http://usctrojans31.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/2009-mlb-mock-draft/

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/MLB_Draft/entry/view/23807/2009_mlb_mock_draft_1st_round

http://www.baseballrumormill.com/2009/05/2009-mlb-draft-top-20-mock-draft/

http://cardinalsfrontoffice.wordpress.com/2009/06/08/2009-mlb-mock-draft/

http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/mlb-mock-draft-2009-stephen-strasburg-be-1-pick

 

Sorry bro. I know the MLB draft is all subject and nearly impossible to predict after the 1st pick, I guess it just goes by what mocks you look at. I heard alot about Shelby Miller, his ace type stuff in high school, and how the only thing that would make him drop would be asking price(which turned out to be true). There was scantly a word said about Chad James and no, most of the mocks I saw didnt have him in the first round, let alone in the top 20. And while I know he isnt a top 10 in all of these, but still slotted really high.

Because he wore a disguise.

I also want to know why people think he's such a great manager.

This is how I feel. Beinfest gets a free pass constantly.

 

 

If you watch the press conference from June 23rd, you see in Beinfest he looks worried. I think he could be in more trouble than some surmise. Loria will be royally p.o.'d if at years end we are say 10-12 games below .500 (which is what I think will happen, Valentine or not), and his chopping block may have Beinfest's name written on it.

We're not talking about Beinfest admitting his mistakes.

 

This board has been anti-Fredi all season. It's Beinfest's fault that the bullpen sucks, the bench sucks, and that the Marlins aren't receiving return on the Cabrera trade.

 

Beinfest might be acknowledging his hand in this (I admire him for doing so), but this board seems to be [wrongly] branding Fredi as the primary scapegoat.

 

The Marlins can hire Valentine tomorrow and they will still have Veras, Strickland, Wood (etc.) in the pen, Lamb on the bench, Maybin in AAA, and Miller playing horribly in AA.

 

Valentine might manage the garbage better, but that will only bring marginal improvement when the talent isn't there.

 

I agree and he has to take blame, which he has done. Its just some here continue to give him a complete pass, and I think that's wrong. He made a horrible trade with Detroit that has haunted this team since it was made. You absolutely cannot make that bad a trade for a team that lives and dies with a cheapskate owner. If he makes a good trade the Marlins are set up for the next couple of years, just like what the Hanley trade did for us. Instead its undermined Loria's cheapo plan until the new stadium opens. Loria now will have to spend more money to make up for that trade or live with a team that has less talent and of course less wins than he wants.

 

Eventually Loria will anger over this, and now that Freddi is gone there is only a couple of people left to blame, and one of those is Beinfest.

Spike, are you a Met fan (or former Met fan) and is that where your dislike for Bobby V comes from?

I also want to know why people think he's such a great manager.

 

 

I don't think anyone really considers him a great manager, I just think people realize there isn't a whole lot of proven success out there right now that would be a decent fit and there really isn't anyone from within our organization worth a damn as far as I'm aware. You take what you can get, if there's nothing but pennies for you to choose from may as well pick the shiniest one.

Spike, are you a Met fan (or former Met fan) and is that where your dislike for Bobby V comes from?

 

No, not a former Met fan, I just remember watching his teams play and the decisions he made. He micromanages the bullpen like La Russa and changes the batting order pretty much every game. He isnt good at doing switches, either offensively or defensively. There isnt a whole lot to like about him as a manager. And it seems that all people on here really remember about him is that stupid disguise, and that alone is enough to make them want him to be the guy.

Spike, are you a Met fan (or former Met fan) and is that where your dislike for Bobby V comes from?

 

No, not a former Met fan, I just remember watching his teams play and the decisions he made. He micromanages the bullpen like La Russa and changes the batting order pretty much every game. He isnt good at doing switches, either offensively or defensively. There isnt a whole lot to like about him as a manager. And it seems that all people on here really remember about him is that stupid disguise, and that alone is enough to make them want him to be the guy.

I was just wondering because of you e-mail address, I assumed you we also a Met fan who had seen him.

Yeah, Valentine's Mets teams were hardly "loaded".

Spike, are you a Met fan (or former Met fan) and is that where your dislike for Bobby V comes from?

 

No, not a former Met fan, I just remember watching his teams play and the decisions he made. He micromanages the bullpen like La Russa and changes the batting order pretty much every game. He isnt good at doing switches, either offensively or defensively. There isnt a whole lot to like about him as a manager. And it seems that all people on here really remember about him is that stupid disguise, and that alone is enough to make them want him to be the guy.

 

 

Sounds good! Perhaps he won't use Taylor Tankersley against righties, for example.

Since Heyman backed off his "any minute now Valentine is signing" pronouncement this afternoon on Sid at 5pm, is it me or is everything from reporter blogs and tweets to just plain chatter seemingly is slowly moving away from the certainty being expressed previously?

 

I guess what I'm wondering is what effect will a losing streak right now have on the Valentine signing? I don't know the answer, not even sure of what or who to believe to really hazard a guess but I do also wonder if part of any negotiations is an agreement between the manager, the owner and FO as to moves that will be made either at his behest or the Marlins.

Spike, are you a Met fan (or former Met fan) and is that where your dislike for Bobby V comes from?

 

No, not a former Met fan, I just remember watching his teams play and the decisions he made. He micromanages the bullpen like La Russa and changes the batting order pretty much every game. He isnt good at doing switches, either offensively or defensively. There isnt a whole lot to like about him as a manager. And it seems that all people on here really remember about him is that stupid disguise, and that alone is enough to make them want him to be the guy.

I was just wondering because of you e-mail address, I assumed you we also a Met fan who had seen him.

Nah, my email address is me being completely uncreative and just happening to see a Sportscenter commercial starring Mr. Met when I was signing up for my email account damn near a decade ago.

Since Heyman backed off his "any minute now Valentine is signing" pronouncement this afternoon on Sid at 5pm, is it me or is everything from reporter blogs and tweets to just plain chatter seemingly is slowly moving away from the certainty being expressed previously?

 

I guess what I'm wondering is what effect will a losing streak right now have on the Valentine signing? I don't know the answer, not even sure of what or who to believe to really hazard a guess but I do also wonder if part of any negotiations is an agreement between the manager, the owner and FO as to moves that will be made either at his behest or the Marlins.

 

 

The proverbial "fly in the ointment". I think a strong personality like Valentine will demand his voice be heard, and we saw what happened the last time we had a manager like that, he won Mgr of the Year and then got fired.

 

This Valentine hiring is sounding worse and worse. Looks like another unstable front office year.

The proverbial "fly in the ointment". I think a strong personality like Valentine will demand his voice be heard, and we saw what happened the last time we had a manager like that, he won Mgr of the Year and then got fired.

 

This Valentine hiring is sounding worse and worse. Looks like another unstable front office year.

 

 

:banghead

Valentine postpones Florida trip to interview for Marlins job

Dave Ruden, Staff Writer

Published: 12:09 a.m., Saturday, June 26, 2010

 

Bobby Valentine postponed his scheduled trip to Florida today to interview for the vacant Marlins job and said he was uncertain when -- or if -- he would meet with team officials to discuss the opening.

 

Reached at his home in Stamford, Valentine said late Friday afternoon, "The process is going to take longer than expected, and I expect that the first interview will take place over the phone."

 

Valentine declined further comment.

 

In a text message to Hearst Connecticut Newspapers Friday morning, Valentine denied reports from various news organizations that a tentative agreement had been reached for him to become the manager of the Marlins.

 

Valentine had confirmed in a phone conversation Thursday and in an e-mail Wednesday night that he was flying down to South Florida today to meet about the position.

 

more at website

 

http://www.ctpost.com/baseball/article/Valentine-postpones-Florida-trip-to-interview-for-537862.php