Do this already! Enough with the minority garbage. Well, I understand it, but to us, at least from what we know about Bobby basically having a job, we know the minority garbage is BS just to appease the rules. So to us, its a big waste of time.

 

On a related personal note... I got my job the same way. I was hired on the spot without a formal interview, but was the first and the boss told me she has to interview others before sending me to my formal interview. So I watched as a swarm of monkeys walked in and out of her office... then, when I went downtown to my formal interview, the girl at the front who signed me in, pulled up my file from the computer and said "That's funny, we haven't interviewed you yet but the computer is saying you've already been hired, hmm," Of course I shrugged my shoulders and said "Hmm, how strange." ...THIS is Bobby's story... bring him on already!

 

 

Uh, I hope you ment something else by the term "monkeys" other than what I think you meant.

 

I, too, think it's disingenuous to go through this process when they already have someone in mind; it's insulting to the minority interviewee when they're not getting a fair shake, they're only being interviewed to satisfy a rule.

 

That being said, this rule wouldn't be necessary if minority candidates were actually considered for openings in the first place.

 

I used to think it's a completely useless process. However, there's also the chance that a minority candidate gets a shot at an interview that he wouldn't otherwise have, proceeds to carry himself well, and is put in a good word for the future. He may not be the person for the team he's interviewing for, but word of mouth is a powerful tool as well.

 

Yeah, I agree that its a bit insulting... almost a reverse discrimination thing. Like you werent gonna hire me but are just interviewing me to satisfy a quota. But then I agree that if the candidate is qualified, his name will pop up again somewhere down the line. So I guess theres a positive light to it.

 

 

I see the point you guys and this idiotic rule are making. I just think it's a total waste of time and money. Any company should be able to hire anybody they want without having to go through what can best be described as a smoke screen.

Do this already! Enough with the minority garbage. Well, I understand it, but to us, at least from what we know about Bobby basically having a job, we know the minority garbage is BS just to appease the rules. So to us, its a big waste of time.

 

On a related personal note... I got my job the same way. I was hired on the spot without a formal interview, but was the first and the boss told me she has to interview others before sending me to my formal interview. So I watched as a swarm of monkeys walked in and out of her office... then, when I went downtown to my formal interview, the girl at the front who signed me in, pulled up my file from the computer and said "That's funny, we haven't interviewed you yet but the computer is saying you've already been hired, hmm," Of course I shrugged my shoulders and said "Hmm, how strange." ...THIS is Bobby's story... bring him on already!

 

 

Uh, I hope you ment something else by the term "monkeys" other than what I think you meant.

 

I, too, think it's disingenuous to go through this process when they already have someone in mind; it's insulting to the minority interviewee when they're not getting a fair shake, they're only being interviewed to satisfy a rule.

 

That being said, this rule wouldn't be necessary if minority candidates were actually considered for openings in the first place.

 

LMAO! Oh crap, I didnt mean anything negative by it! I use that term for everything, whether positive or negative! I use it to describe all the other candidates for my job, and Ive used it to describe my own family... I just mean it as a group of people... lol, didnt realize the connotations it probably gave off! Sorry!

 

Sure, Mr. Cosell, sure.

 

LOL I was thinking along those same lines. I was watching that Monday night game and said to some friends while the runner was still going that Howard was going to get into trouble for saying that. And like here, that wasn't what he meant. But rarely does that make a difference.

What's Valentine's managerial style?

 

I think he's a bunt them over, move them over, station to station, stolen base kind of guy but I'm not sure. Anyone know for sure?

 

I don't think he'll be a good fit with Beinfest as I don't see Valentine being the puppet Beinfest wants. They'll clash just like Girardi clashed with Beinfest. If this happens it will not end well.

 

Not sure if it was mentioned by anyone but last week Dave Collins ran the closed door meeting after being swept by the Rangers. That should have being a sign that Fredi's days were numbered.

 

This is what I'd like to know.

 

Everyone here seems to want this guy so much, but do they really know enough about him?

 

Beinfest's failures going into 2010 (bad bullpen, Maybin and Miller not contributing, bad bench players) far outweigh the negative consequences of Gonzalez's in-game management.

 

I think Beinfest is an above average GM and should keep his job, but it amazes me that he escapes criticism from the camp that has been calling for Fredi's head for almost two years now.

 

 

I think that's another exaggeration. I think it's more that everyone is just resigned to the fact he will be hired.

This is how I feel. Beinfest gets a free pass constantly.

 

 

If you watch the press conference from June 23rd, you see in Beinfest he looks worried. I think he could be in more trouble than some surmise. Loria will be royally p.o.'d if at years end we are say 10-12 games below .500 (which is what I think will happen, Valentine or not), and his chopping block may have Beinfest's name written on it.

 

If Beinfest is worried, I think it shows how unreasonable Loria is. If the Marlins had a payroll of $60M, which is below average by the way, they could have added more than a few bullpen arms and perhaps a much better 4th or 5th starter. No doubt in my mind that with an extra good starter (replace Robertson), 3 more good bullpen arms, and a real bench we'd be at least 5-6 games better.

 

In other words, Loria wants a championship on a shoe strong budget. That's not how it works. Just like in business, your investments are crucial, and Loria's not willing to invest any more. You get what you pay for.

Expected to a 4 year deal

 

Over/Under 2.5

Also, it looks to me that Loria is essentially trying to play GM. He's like a kid.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/06/marlins-to-hire-bobby-valentine.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

And it sucks that Edwin Rodriguez won't get to manage the Fish in Puerto Rico

Im really worried about the chemistry of the team now that the stability Edwin has brought to the table is gone. Edwin gave this team its identity back

Im really worried about the chemistry of the team now that the stability Edwin has brought to the table is gone. Edwin gave this team its identity back

 

 

He did? You could tell that from 2 games against the O's??

Im really worried about the chemistry of the team now that the stability Edwin has brought to the table is gone. Edwin gave this team its identity back

 

 

I hope that's sarcasm. :lol

Rumor has it though that the Marlins will let Edwin manage through the PR series.

Honestly, I hope they bring in Valentine before the Puerto Rican series. Why would you leave Rodriguez in? Because it would make a touching story? Fluff that. I want them to start winning games again.

Honestly, I hope they bring in Valentine before the Puerto Rican series. Why would you leave Rodriguez in? Because it would make a touching story? Fluff that. I want them to start winning games again.

 

 

I kinda agree with this. The players need to get used to Valentine as soon as possible.

from Joe Capozzi on Twitter quoting Bobby V

 

"absolutely not true," Bobby Valetine says of report that he starts Monday #marlins about 2 hours ago via Echofon

 

joecapMARLINS

joe capozzi

 

 

from Rotoworld

 

Hanley Ramirez: Valentine says he will not manage Monday

Hanley Ramirez - SS - FLA - Jun. 25 - 10:24 am et

 

Bobby Valentine said that reports that he will debut as Marlins' manager on Monday against the Mets in Puerto Rico are "absolutely not true," according to Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post.

We're not sure if things just worked out that way, or the Marlins intend to allow interim skipper Edwin Rodriguez to manage to club in his native country. It would certainly be a nice gesture. Jun. 25 - 10:24 am et

I don't know if anyone noticed, but the Marlins are actually interviewing BO PORTER for the job. BO. PORTER.

I don't know if anyone noticed, but the Marlins are actually interviewing BO PORTER for the job. BO. PORTER.

 

 

And also Edwin Rodriguez so people don't go crazy saying they didn't interview minorities.

I don't know if anyone noticed, but the Marlins are actually interviewing BO PORTER for the job. BO. PORTER.

 

 

yeah we know, and its a slap in the face to the diversity rule. at least interview someone you didn't just fire 6 months ago. why does porter do it ? its huimiliating in a way.

I don't know if anyone noticed, but the Marlins are actually interviewing BO PORTER for the job. BO. PORTER.

 

 

yeah we know, and its a slap in the face to the diversity rule. at least interview someone you didn't just fire 6 months ago. why does porter do it ? its huimiliating in a way.

 

If they wanted to make it even more obvious, I'd die laughing if they straight up announced that they interviewed Bobby Valentine, Emilio Bonifacio, Cameron Maybin, Billy, and BK Kim. Covered all bases there!

I don't know if anyone noticed, but the Marlins are actually interviewing BO PORTER for the job. BO. PORTER.

 

 

yeah we know, and its a slap in the face to the diversity rule. at least interview someone you didn't just fire 6 months ago. why does porter do it ? its huimiliating in a way.

They didn't fire Bo. They offered him the job for this year and he declined it. Same thing happened with Foster. They only "fired" Mark Wiley and Andy Fox, though I say "fired" because they technically weren't under contract, we just didn't offer them new ones.

Hiring Bobby Valentine to be the manager is as bad as trading Luis Castillo for Travis Bowyer and that other guy. Just horrible horrible news.

Hiring Bobby Valentine to be the manager is as bad as trading Luis Castillo for Travis Bowyer and that other guy. Just horrible horrible news.

 

 

You're a clown.

Hiring Bobby Valentine to be the manager is as bad as trading Luis Castillo for Travis Bowyer and that other guy. Just horrible horrible news.

 

Have you ever had a mild opinion of anything? I get the feeling you'd call a dead headlight an "absolutely destroyed car".

This is how I feel. Beinfest gets a free pass constantly.

 

 

If you watch the press conference from June 23rd, you see in Beinfest he looks worried. I think he could be in more trouble than some surmise. Loria will be royally p.o.'d if at years end we are say 10-12 games below .500 (which is what I think will happen, Valentine or not), and his chopping block may have Beinfest's name written on it.

We're not talking about Beinfest admitting his mistakes.

 

This board has been anti-Fredi all season. It's Beinfest's fault that the bullpen sucks, the bench sucks, and that the Marlins aren't receiving return on the Cabrera trade.

 

Beinfest might be acknowledging his hand in this (I admire him for doing so), but this board seems to be [wrongly] branding Fredi as the primary scapegoat.

 

The Marlins can hire Valentine tomorrow and they will still have Veras, Strickland, Wood (etc.) in the pen, Lamb on the bench, Maybin in AAA, and Miller playing horribly in AA.

 

Valentine might manage the garbage better, but that will only bring marginal improvement when the talent isn't there.

I have mild opinions about everything. Bobby Valentine is an awful manager. He brings nothing to the table that Fredi didnt, and is a lateral move that will be more expensive.