miamimarlinswin Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 That the Nationals are signing these phenoms, and the resurgence of Atlanta, the money of the Mets and Philly, that we could be headed (even with a new stadium) to a fate that the Baltimore Orioles have had the last 10 years ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2r09 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 to me, we have arguably the youngest and deepest lineup in the league with one of the best pitchers in the league as well. we are a solid bench and a good bullpen away from being a contender. we need a proven closer though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirspud Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 to me, we have arguably the youngest and deepest lineup in the league with one of the best pitchers in the league as well. we are a solid bench and a good bullpen away from being a contender. we need a proven closer though. One pitcher doesn't make a rotation. We simply need more win potential from that aspect of our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamimarlinswin Posted August 17, 2010 Author Share Posted August 17, 2010 to me, we have arguably the youngest and deepest lineup in the league with one of the best pitchers in the league as well. we are a solid bench and a good bullpen away from being a contender. we need a proven closer though. Thats the present, I am just looking at the long range. If we don't sign some FA's and rely only on the draft, as we have been doing, it could be very scary. The front office has to hit on these draft picks 100% or we will be in deep doo-doo in no time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 The Mets are a mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbob1313 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 to me, we have arguably the youngest and deepest lineup in the league with one of the best pitchers in the league as well. we are a solid bench and a good bullpen away from being a contender. we need a proven closer though. Thats the present, I am just looking at the long range. If we don't sign some FA's and rely only on the draft, as we have been doing, it could be very scary. The front office has to hit on these draft picks 100% or we will be in deep doo-doo in no time. We have more young talent than anyone in the division, including the Nationals. Let's say best case scenario for them, Strasburg = JJ and Harper = Stanton. We have a lot more than them. Realistically, we can run out this until 2014 and be fine 1B: Gaby 2B: Uggla SS: Hanley 3B: Coghlan or Dominguez LF: Morrison CF: Maybin RF: Stanton You're looking at, pessimistically, a below average 3B (if Coghlan's glove or Dominguez's bat are worst case scenario) and below average CF (If Maybin simply never hits). Other than that you're average at LF and 1B and you've got top 5-10 positional production from SS, 2B, and RF. Maybe the rotation isn't quite so studly, but I'm not worried about the lineup. And there's high potential arms in James, Hand, West, and back rotation guys like Volstad and Sanabia, plus the stud that is JJ. And a ton of high potential BP arms, including two potential future closers in Ceda and Marinez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamimarlinswin Posted August 17, 2010 Author Share Posted August 17, 2010 The Mets are a mess Yeah but they have the money that at anytime if they get the right person running them they can turn it around in a season. We have no such luxury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 You could also look at it that the Phillies are Mets are aging quickly. But yeah, maybe the Nationals are long term threats, but right now all they have a superstar young pitcher and a catcher/outfielder who hasn't played a game of professional ball being hyped as the next Lebron of baseball. Pudge won't be their catcher forever, Willingham's knees probably won't allow him to play in the league much longer, and Adam Dunn will probably leave the Nats soon. I don't know their minor league system, so I can't really make assessments on the team long term, but I will say unlike basketball, baseball isn't won by 2 players. I would worry about the Mets if they actually spent money intelligently, but we all know that's never going to happen. They're getting old and their front office isn't getting any smarter. The Phillies have a lot of good players, but they are also getting a bit older now. Their team isn't quite as old as the Mets, since they have guys like Cole Hamels, Dominic Brown, etc... The Phillies aren't going away anytime soon, but they won't be as dominant as they've been the last few years long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 The Mets are a mess Yeah but they have the money that at anytime if they get the right person running them they can turn it around in a season. We have no such luxury. I'll take a competent front office with minimal cash over an extremely dumb front office who throws many at the player who is coming off career years and will regress (Hi Jason Bay, K-Rod, Carlos Beltran). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamimarlinswin Posted August 17, 2010 Author Share Posted August 17, 2010 to me, we have arguably the youngest and deepest lineup in the league with one of the best pitchers in the league as well. we are a solid bench and a good bullpen away from being a contender. we need a proven closer though. Thats the present, I am just looking at the long range. If we don't sign some FA's and rely only on the draft, as we have been doing, it could be very scary. The front office has to hit on these draft picks 100% or we will be in deep doo-doo in no time. We have more young talent than anyone in the division, including the Nationals. Let's say best case scenario for them, Strasburg = JJ and Harper = Stanton. We have a lot more than them. Realistically, we can run out this until 2014 and be fine 1B: Gaby 2B: Uggla SS: Hanley 3B: Coghlan or Dominguez LF: Morrison CF: Maybin RF: Stanton You're looking at, pessimistically, a below average 3B (if Coghlan's glove or Dominguez's bat are worst case scenario) and below average CF (If Maybin simply never hits). Other than that you're average at LF and 1B and you've got top 5-10 positional production from SS, 2B, and RF. Maybe the rotation isn't quite so studly, but I'm not worried about the lineup. And there's high potential arms in James, Hand, West, and back rotation guys like Volstad and Sanabia, plus the stud that is JJ. And a ton of high potential BP arms, including two potential future closers in Ceda and Marinez. Thanks Bobbob looking at it that way does make me feel better. I just don't have time to keep up with all those minor league players we have. I have to rely on guys like you that know more than I do. Okay its time to stop feeling sorry for us and get back on track. GO FISH ! Time to take 3 of 4 in Pittsburgh ! :thumbup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamimarlinswin Posted August 17, 2010 Author Share Posted August 17, 2010 You could also look at it that the Phillies are Mets are aging quickly. But yeah, maybe the Nationals are long term threats, but right now all they have a superstar young pitcher and a catcher/outfielder who hasn't played a game of professional ball being hyped as the next Lebron of baseball. Pudge won't be their catcher forever, Willingham's knees probably won't allow him to play in the league much longer, and Adam Dunn will probably leave the Nats soon. I don't know their minor league system, so I can't really make assessments on the team long term, but I will say unlike basketball, baseball isn't won by 2 players. I would worry about the Mets if they actually spent money intelligently, but we all know that's never going to happen. They're getting old and their front office isn't getting any smarter. The Phillies have a lot of good players, but they are also getting a bit older now. Their team isn't quite as old as the Mets, since they have guys like Cole Hamels, Dominic Brown, etc... The Phillies aren't going away anytime soon, but they won't be as dominant as they've been the last few years long term. Sounds good. I was just starting to really worry after watching some of the shows on ESPN this morning. They were talking up that Washington now has two of the biggest phenoms of all time, and that they will soon be up there with Atlanta, the Phillies and the Mets. They acted as if we weren't even a part of the division. That made me get nervous about our future, as these are "supposed" experts and they were seemingly dismissive of the Marlins to the fact that we were not even mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamimarlinswin Posted August 17, 2010 Author Share Posted August 17, 2010 The Mets are a mess Yeah but they have the money that at anytime if they get the right person running them they can turn it around in a season. We have no such luxury. I'll take a competent front office with minimal cash over an extremely dumb front office who throws many at the player who is coming off career years and will regress (Hi Jason Bay, K-Rod, Carlos Beltran). That is true, but its scary if they ever do get a good front office. It will be like having the Yankees in our division, and that thought is very depressing, knowing that every year you have no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarlinPride Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 A big factor for the Phillies is the future. They don't have many studs in there farm system after Brown and there team is basically all in there 30's. By 2014 I don't expect them to be any good with all those guys being in there mid to late 30's and Moyer would be in his 50's. The Marlins have a great future ahead of them, solid farm system and 2 young studs who will make many of All Star teams and break records in Hanley and Giancarlo. The teams I'm worried about in the NL East are the Braves and possibly the Nats based on how well guys like Ramos, Harper, Bernadina, Desmond and the Strasburger turn out to be. In the NL i feel the Reds will stay good with all their prospects and my sleeper team by 2012 is the Pirates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdy_0513 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I think long term, the Nats are gonna be filling their holes with minimum salary guys bc they are forking out so much for these phenoms. However, If the keep losing, and getting top draft picks, they can sell some guys to the Yanks in a few years and create a really solid farm system as well as big club, while balancing a budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbob1313 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I think long term, the Nats are gonna be filling their holes with minimum salary guys bc they are forking out so much for these phenoms. However, If the keep losing, and getting top draft picks, they can sell some guys to the Yanks in a few years and create a really solid farm system as well as big club, while balancing a budget. They gave out 24 mil over 5 years to Strasburg and Harper. That's not going to force them to have to go with minimum salary guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 The Braves scare me the most. Last thing I want to see is another crazy stretch of division titles from them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 The Braves scare me the most. Last think I want to see is another crazy stretch of division titles from them... Along with a Fredi-lead team beating us year in and year out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarlinPride Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 The Braves scare me the most. Last thing I want to see is another crazy stretch of division titles from them... They have a Solid Core of hitters with Prado, McCann and Heyward that combined with veterans along the way who produce like Glaus and Hinske have can make them lethal but what i'm worried about is there pitching. They have two young studs in the rotation with Hanson and Jurjens to add with guys who should be good for another 2 or 3 years in Hudson and Lowe. I'd be very scared if they had kept Escobar and he turned out to be a superstar in the future, that could've put them over the top and give them consecutive division titles for years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherrealfan Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 That the Nationals are signing these phenoms, and the resurgence of Atlanta, the money of the Mets and Philly, that we could be headed (even with a new stadium) to a fate that the Baltimore Orioles have had the last 10 years ? We can name phenoms-Josh Booty, Jaime Jones, Jeff Allison, Jeremy Hermida. The designation of phenom is arbitrary at best and as we have all seen, means that they are just highly thought of "prospects". The 3 rookies we have starting plus adding Cogs back to the list make up half of our every day lineup-pretty good future, then add Hanley, hopefully Uggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamimarlinswin Posted August 17, 2010 Author Share Posted August 17, 2010 You could also look at it that the Phillies are Mets are aging quickly. But yeah, maybe the Nationals are long term threats, but right now all they have a superstar young pitcher and a catcher/outfielder who hasn't played a game of professional ball being hyped as the next Lebron of baseball. Pudge won't be their catcher forever, Willingham's knees probably won't allow him to play in the league much longer, and Adam Dunn will probably leave the Nats soon. I don't know their minor league system, so I can't really make assessments on the team long term, but I will say unlike basketball, baseball isn't won by 2 players. I would worry about the Mets if they actually spent money intelligently, but we all know that's never going to happen. They're getting old and their front office isn't getting any smarter. The Phillies have a lot of good players, but they are also getting a bit older now. Their team isn't quite as old as the Mets, since they have guys like Cole Hamels, Dominic Brown, etc... The Phillies aren't going away anytime soon, but they won't be as dominant as they've been the last few years long term. Sounds good. I was just starting to really worry after watching some of the shows on ESPN this morning. They were talking up that Washington now has two of the biggest phenoms of all time, and that they will soon be up there with Atlanta, the Phillies and the Mets. They acted as if we weren't even a part of the division. That made me get nervous about our future, as these are "supposed" experts and they were seemingly dismissive of the Marlins to the fact that we were not even mentioned. This is nothing new. We always get ignored, and I prefer it for the most part. The next WS title we win will be another "shocker" for espn. Yawn. I love how they always predict the mets to be a powerhouse yet the mets blow for the payroll they have. Money isn't everything in baseball. It sure does help, but there are plenty of teams that prove you can do more with a great front office than you can with a great big bank account. We will be fine. Or lineup will be solid and with more payroll in the new stadium, and heading into it, this team will just get better and better. I am hoping that we become the next Minnesota Twins. If we can duplicate their success and get lucky one year and win a WS title, it will be all I expect as a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarlinPride Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 When was the last time the Twins even won a World Series. I'm pretty sure we've won our two relatively closer to the present then they have. A team I want to become is the Rays minus the no hitters against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the Past Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 When was the last time the Twins even won a World Series. I'm pretty sure we've won our two relatively closer to the present then they have. A team I want to become is the Rays minus the no hitters against. I wish the Marlins became something like the Twins who win about 90 games per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarlinPride Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 When was the last time the Twins even won a World Series. I'm pretty sure we've won our two relatively closer to the present then they have. A team I want to become is the Rays minus the no hitters against. I wish the Marlins became something like the Twins who win about 90 games per year. As do the Rays with a lower payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something_Fishy Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 When was the last time the Twins even won a World Series. I'm pretty sure we've won our two relatively closer to the present then they have. A team I want to become is the Rays minus the no hitters against. I wish the Marlins became something like the Twins who win about 90 games per year. As do the Rays with a lower payroll. Only just recently, though. They were downright insulting when they were the Devil Rays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 When was the last time the Twins even won a World Series. I'm pretty sure we've won our two relatively closer to the present then they have. A team I want to become is the Rays minus the no hitters against. I wish the Marlins became something like the Twins who win about 90 games per year. As do the Rays with a lower payroll. I think he said the Twins because they win ever damn year and aren't exactly a big market team. The Rays are looking good but they are only emerging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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