November 26, 200322 yr There are just too many variables left undetermined to be able to decide how well Lee will do... I'm wondering where they are going to bat him in the lineup though.... I would guess clean-up.
November 26, 200322 yr There are just too many variables left undetermined to be able to decide how well Lee will do... I'm wondering where they are going to bat him in the lineup though.... i'd guess 5th...unless Lee impresses Baker, then he'll hit 4th and Alou 5th.
November 26, 200322 yr At first clean up but of couse Lee will be sliding down BA order due to incosistency.
November 26, 200322 yr My thought is that he can't bat behind anyone of significance. He's just not consistent enough to protect anyone batting in front of him early in the order.
November 26, 200322 yr My thought is that he can't bat behind anyone of significance. He's just not consistent enough to protect anyone batting in front of him early in the order. for about half the year Dusty Baker was batting Alex Gonzalez and his 230 AVG and 300 OBP second in the order. let's assume the Cubs resign Mark Grudzielanek; their lineup will probably be: 2B Grudzielanek CF Patterson RF Sosa LF Alou 1B Lee 3B Ramirez SS Gonzalez C Miller considering, after the Pirate acquisitions, this was the lineup for the rest of the year: CF Lofton 2B Grudzielanek/Martinez RF Sosa LF Alou 3B Ramirez 1B Simon/Karros SS Gonzalez C Miller/Bako
November 26, 200322 yr My thought is that he can't bat behind anyone of significance. He's just not consistent enough to protect anyone batting in front of him early in the order. He'll be more consistant if he's more productive. They go hand in hand.
November 26, 200322 yr My thought is that he can't bat behind anyone of significance. He's just not consistent enough to protect anyone batting in front of him early in the order. He'll be more consistant if he's more productive. They go hand in hand. no their not. see Aaron Boone's career for example.
November 26, 200322 yr My thought is that he can't bat behind anyone of significance. He's just not consistent enough to protect anyone batting in front of him early in the order. He'll be more consistant if he's more productive. They go hand in hand. Somewhat true, but not neccesarily.... He was productive last year, but not truly consistent. Big power numbers + lower BA equals productive but not consistent, or at least not consistent enough. So do big power numbers and a disproportionate amount of K's (Remember Preston Wilson??)
November 26, 200322 yr He was productive last year, but not truly consistent. Big power numbers + lower BA equals productive but not consistent, or at least not consistent enough. So do big power numbers and a disproportionate amount of K's You just described JIM THOME.
November 26, 200322 yr Thome and Lee are night and day.... Thome scored more, hit more, drove in more, hit more out and had a higher BA in more AB's than Lee. I understand your point(s) though.
November 26, 200322 yr Thome and Lee are night and day.... Thome scored more, hit more, drove in more, hit more out and had a higher BA in more AB's than Lee. I understand your point(s) though. But that was in baseball's best PITCHERS park. If I were a Cub fan, I'd be as giddy as a 12-year-old schoolgirl at the thought of Lee in Wrigley. Especially considering how he produced there in the playoffs. But, like you said, I understand your point(s) as well.
November 26, 200322 yr If I were a Cub fan, I'd be as giddy as a 12-year-old schoolgirl Don't you go out with 12 year old schoolgirls wild card? :lol
November 26, 200322 yr If I were a Cub fan, I'd be as giddy as a 12-year-old schoolgirl Don't you go out with 12 year old schoolgirls wild card? :lol Not quite.
November 26, 200322 yr Best parks for pitchers - Camden Yards (Baltimore), Wrigley Field (Chicago NL), Commerica Park (Detroit), Pro Player Stadium (Florida), Dodgers Stadium (LA), Shea Stadium (NY-NL), Pac Bell Park (SF), Safeco Field (Mariners) - all of these fields have at least 5% fewer runs scored than league average link I just want to point out how difficult it is to determine which parks are the best "pitchers parks." The statistics are calculated based on runs scored compared to league average, but this method of comparison is horribly flawed because it doesn't account for the players on the field. By the runs scored classification, Wrigley Field classifies as a pitchers park. This in itself means little. If you had the Cubs' herculean pitching staff of recent years, most parks you play in would classify as having "at least 5% fewer runs scored than league average." This is why it's almost impossible to accurately measure how much of a hitters or pitchers park a given stadium is. Believe it or not, during the first few seasons of the Marlins' existence, Pro Player Stadium actually classified as a "hitters park." The "runs scored" calculation is incredibly deceiving. The Cubs happen to have one of the best--if not the best--pitching staffs in the entire league. Wrigley is so not a pitchers park.
November 26, 200322 yr I think playing in Wrigley is kind of captivating for a player too. It's not like US Cellular field, where they draw 20,000 in the middle of a pennant race.? It's packed all year.? True fans.? And if the CUbs are in it, which odds are, they will be, I'm sure Lee will get caught up in it, and his play will be affected. Just like Aramis Ramirez got so much better after coming to the Cubs. US Cellular Field=20,000 fans who all give a **** about the game Wrigley Field=40,000 people, maybe 5 people worthy of being called fans who give a **** about the game.I second that motion. Too many outsiders say fans at U.S. Cellular Field are generally more knowledgable about what's going on on the field than our Wrigley counterparts. Like another poster said, if the wind is blowing out, Derrick Lee will look like a super-slugger. Yes...he is known to choke in big situations (even though he did come through in the NLCS last year). However, if he comes through for the Cubs next year, I'll guarantee you the local media will fawn over this guy...especially if Sosa and Alou have hot bats too.
November 26, 200322 yr I think playing in Wrigley is kind of captivating for a player too. It's not like US Cellular field, where they draw 20,000 in the middle of a pennant race. It's packed all year. True fans. And if the CUbs are in it, which odds are, they will be, I'm sure Lee will get caught up in it, and his play will be affected. Just like Aramis Ramirez got so much better after coming to the Cubs. Derrek Lee isn't exactly a pressure performer. I put it nicely. You put it very nicely. Sugar coated in fact. The Cubs think Lee is going to back up Sammy. I have a feeling Sammy is going to get a few more walks than he's used to next season.
November 26, 200322 yr I think playing in Wrigley is kind of captivating for a player too. It's not like US Cellular field, where they draw 20,000 in the middle of a pennant race.? It's packed all year.? True fans.? And if the CUbs are in it, which odds are, they will be, I'm sure Lee will get caught up in it, and his play will be affected. Just like Aramis Ramirez got so much better after coming to the Cubs. Derrek Lee isn't exactly a pressure performer. I put it nicely. You put it very nicely. Sugar coated in fact. The Cubs think Lee is going to back up Sammy. I have a feeling Sammy is going to get a few more walks than he's used to next season. Derrek Lee career BA: .264 Derrek Lee career BA w/ runners on: .258 Derrek Lee career RISP: .256 2003 BA: .271 2003 BA w/ runners on: .277 2003 RISP: .269 Statistically, he really isn't the anti-clutch that everyone makes him out to be. A difference of .008 between career BA and RISP is not anti-clutch. Our supposed Mr. Clutch--Pudge Rodriguez--sports a career BA of .304 and a career RISP of .294 (a difference of .010). In 2002, his BA was .314 and his RISP was .255. In 2001, his BA was .308 and his RISP was .286. What does all this tell you? This notion of "clutchness" is so subjective and statistically meaningless from season-to-season that I don't think it's even worth mentioning in DLee's case. I expect DLee to tear it up as a Cub.
November 26, 200322 yr I think playing in Wrigley is kind of captivating for a player too. It's not like US Cellular field, where they draw 20,000 in the middle of a pennant race.? It's packed all year.? True fans.? And if the CUbs are in it, which odds are, they will be, I'm sure Lee will get caught up in it, and his play will be affected. Just like Aramis Ramirez got so much better after coming to the Cubs. Derrek Lee isn't exactly a pressure performer. I put it nicely. You put it very nicely. Sugar coated in fact. The Cubs think Lee is going to back up Sammy. I have a feeling Sammy is going to get a few more walks than he's used to next season. Derrek Lee career BA: .264 Derrek Lee career BA w/ runners on: .258 Derrek Lee career RISP: .256 2003 BA: .271 2003 BA w/ runners on: .277 2003 RISP: .269 Statistically, he really isn't the anti-clutch that everyone makes him out to be. A difference of .008 between career BA and RISP is not anti-clutch. Our supposed Mr. Clutch--Pudge Rodriguez--sports a career BA of .304 and a career RISP of .294 (a difference of .010). In 2002, his BA was .314 and his RISP was .255. In 2001, his BA was .308 and his RISP was .286. What does all this tell you? This notion of "clutchness" is so subjective and statistically meaningless from season-to-season that I don't think it's even worth mentioning in DLee's case. I expect DLee to tear it up as a Cub. Those stats right there speak for themselve and prove you wrong.
November 26, 200322 yr Need a stat that measures RISP and game situation. DLee excels with score 10-1 (or 1-10), and consistently failed with score close. (Thankfully he went against the grain late in '03 plus playoffs). Ask anyone that watches all the games closely for the past 5 years.
November 26, 200322 yr Pudge Rodriguez has .291 RISP Career BA.You brought up Pudge 02 stats but that was off year for pudge at the plate due to his injuries.If you look back at Pudge Career you see has been consistent with risp BA.Your argument makes no sense. Comparing RSIP to BA ...
November 26, 200322 yr Enjoy Wrigley Field DLee!!! BATTING SPLITS: 3-YEAR By StadiumABRH2B3BHRRBIBBHBPSOSBCSAVGOBPSLGOPS Wrigley Field 431113012001400.256.256.395.651
November 26, 200322 yr Best parks for pitchers - Camden Yards (Baltimore), Wrigley Field (Chicago NL), Commerica Park (Detroit), Pro Player Stadium (Florida), Dodgers Stadium (LA), Shea Stadium (NY-NL), Pac Bell Park (SF), Safeco Field (Mariners) - all of these fields have at least 5% fewer runs scored than league average link I just want to point out how difficult it is to determine which parks are the best "pitchers parks." The statistics are calculated based on runs scored compared to league average, but this method of comparison is horribly flawed because it doesn't account for the players on the field. By the runs scored classification, Wrigley Field classifies as a pitchers park. This in itself means little. If you had the Cubs' herculean pitching staff of recent years, most parks you play in would classify as having "at least 5% fewer runs scored than league average." This is why it's almost impossible to accurately measure how much of a hitters or pitchers park a given stadium is. Believe it or not, during the first few seasons of the Marlins' existence, Pro Player Stadium actually classified as a "hitters park." The "runs scored" calculation is incredibly deceiving. The Cubs happen to have one of the best--if not the best--pitching staffs in the entire league. Wrigley is so not a pitchers park. Good point, and I believe there is some validity to taking into account who is on the field. But runs scored -v- league average isn't entirely deceiving. In looking at the teams who inhabit those parks, I would hardly classify the staffs of Detroit, Baltimore and the Mets as "Herculean."
November 26, 200322 yr Enjoy Wrigley Field DLee!!! BATTING SPLITS: 3-YEAR By StadiumABRH2B3BHRRBIBBHBPSOSBCSAVGOBPSLGOPS Wrigley Field 431113012001400.256.256.395.651 That has a lot more to do with the Cubs pitching than Wrigley Field.
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