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While their new ballpark is "80 percent complete," the Marlins are trying to avoid the NL East basement. Here's the latest from South Beach...

• The Marlins want to bring Omar Infante back next season and will offer him a new contract, reports Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald. The second baseman has a .272/.322/.373 line this season and will be a free agent this winter.
  
• Also from Spencer, the Fish recently approached Anibal Sanchez about a contract extension. The team turned down offers for Sanchez at the trade deadline and the right-hander is clearly seen as a big part of Florida's future plans. Today, Sanchez threw one of the best games of his career, striking out 11 Pirates in a complete game gem.
  
• Admin Beinfest's recent history of contract extensions, first round draft picks and the return on the Miguel Cabrera/Dontrelle Willis trade has been less than impressive, writes Dan Le Batard for the Miami Herald. We recently heard that Jeffrey Loria and David Samson could be taking a larger role in player personnel decisions, so perhaps team ownership has the same opinion.
  

 

very much agree with bringing back omar and signing anibal to maybe a 2 or 3 year deal.

 

as for beinfest, i agree somewhat but you know what, he wouldnt have had to make trades like that if loria hadnt forced him to.

 

what could he do? willis was beginning to fall apart and he got two top prospects.

Absolutely a major priority to lock up Anibal, emphasised again by last nights performance.

Infante was a bit of a disappointment this year, but I support bringing him back because he probably won't be too expensive and the Marlins could use some more infield depth.

I support bringing him back because he probably won't be too expensive and the Marlins could use some more infield depth.

 

Absolutely. He's a (relatively) cheap gold-glove (whether he actually wins it or not) defender with a decent bat.

 

He IS the depth. Start him at 2B. Work the rest of out,

Infante was a bit of a disappointment this year, but I support bringing him back because he probably won't be too expensive and the Marlins could use some more infield depth.

 

 

As a whole, he hasn't been disappointing. The only thing that's disappointing (in my opinion) is when he decided to put up the majority of his stats - after it didn't matter. If he puts up similar #s next year with the same amazing defense, I'd love to hand him the starting job.

 

It also allows Boni to be used in the ultimate platoon/bench role. He could split time with Matty D at 3rd, plus routinely give everyone except our 1B/C a day off.

Infante was a bit of a disappointment this year, but I support bringing him back because he probably won't be too expensive and the Marlins could use some more infield depth.

 

 

As a whole, he hasn't been disappointing. The only thing that's disappointing (in my opinion) is when he decided to put up the majority of his stats - after it didn't matter. If he puts up similar #s next year with the same amazing defense, I'd love to hand him the starting job.

 

It also allows Boni to be used in the ultimate platoon/bench role. He could split time with Matty D at 3rd, plus routinely give everyone except our 1B/C a day off.

This. And sign a proven CF like Grady Sizemore!?

Infante was a bit of a disappointment this year, but I support bringing him back because he probably won't be too expensive and the Marlins could use some more infield depth.

 

 

As a whole, he hasn't been disappointing. The only thing that's disappointing (in my opinion) is when he decided to put up the majority of his stats - after it didn't matter. If he puts up similar #s next year with the same amazing defense, I'd love to hand him the starting job.

 

It also allows Boni to be used in the ultimate platoon/bench role. He could split time with Matty D at 3rd, plus routinely give everyone except our 1B/C a day off.

A .321 OBP is disappointing after he put up a .353 OBP in almost 1100 PA with Atlanta.

 

His defense is far from "amazing" and certainly not gold glove caliber. He's probably in the range of about average to slightly above average going by defensive statistics.

 

I still want him back though because the Marlins don't have anyone better.

Oh and Bonifacio should probably be starting and not be in the "super utility role." In other words, I'd rather have Bonifacio in the lineup everyday over Infante if I had to make a choice.

Be damned the stats, he's a GG.

Oh and Bonifacio should probably be starting and not be in the "super utility role." In other words, I'd rather have Bonifacio in the lineup everyday over Infante if I had to make a choice.

 

 

Plus one. Bonifacio is the type of player who should be your second basemen. Instead of paying too much to have an average second basemen, we should put a guy there who can do that and spend the money saved to fill a different hole (third base, SP?).

Is everyone going to ignore the 800 lb Gorilla in the room ?

 

Beinfest seemingly on the way out and Samson & Loria taking on more personnel moves ?

 

Samson & Loria ? Really ? :hammer

Is everyone going to ignore the 800 lb Gorilla in the room ?

 

Beinfest seemingly on the way out and Samson & Loria taking on more personnel moves ?

 

Samson & Loria ? Really ? :hammer

 

 

Do I think that Samson and Loria would know what they are doing? No

Do I think that Beinfest has really done all that great of a job, taking into account our record the last couple of seasons as well as how much talent we gave out post-2006 compared to what we brought in? No

 

Maybe it would just be change for the sake of change, but I'd rather search for solutions than just stay with something that hasn't shown any signs of working for 5 years.

Infante was a bit of a disappointment this year, but I support bringing him back because he probably won't be too expensive and the Marlins could use some more infield depth.

 

 

As a whole, he hasn't been disappointing. The only thing that's disappointing (in my opinion) is when he decided to put up the majority of his stats - after it didn't matter. If he puts up similar #s next year with the same amazing defense, I'd love to hand him the starting job.

 

It also allows Boni to be used in the ultimate platoon/bench role. He could split time with Matty D at 3rd, plus routinely give everyone except our 1B/C a day off.

A .321 OBP is disappointing after he put up a .353 OBP in almost 1100 PA with Atlanta.

 

His defense is far from "amazing" and certainly not gold glove caliber. He's probably in the range of about average to slightly above average going by defensive statistics.

 

I still want him back though because the Marlins don't have anyone better.

 

yeah ur right. he hasnt saved any runs with highlight plays and made just about every routine play look easy.

 

oh and hes also very average at turning double plays.

 

i can see you really know how to judge a fielder. good job.

Is everyone going to ignore the 800 lb Gorilla in the room ?

 

Beinfest seemingly on the way out and Samson & Loria taking on more personnel moves ?

 

Samson & Loria ? Really ? :hammer

 

It's been mentioned in an other thread, so I wouldn't say we're ignoring it. And I didn't read it as Beinfest being fired, just the others possibly having more of a say (which I think would be a bad thing).

Is everyone going to ignore the 800 lb Gorilla in the room ?

 

Beinfest seemingly on the way out and Samson & Loria taking on more personnel moves ?

 

Samson & Loria ? Really ? :hammer

 

 

Do I think that Samson and Loria would know what they are doing? No

Do I think that Beinfest has really done all that great of a job, taking into account our record the last couple of seasons as well as how much talent we gave out post-2006 compared to what we brought in? No

 

Maybe it would just be change for the sake of change, but I'd rather search for solutions than just stay with something that hasn't shown any signs of working for 5 years.

I know, but the Loria/Samson thing has me really scared. Now if they could steal the # 2 guy from the Braves, or San Francisco I might be happy.

Maybe I am missing something but what's so great about San Francisco? They've had a championship caliber rotation for years and also one of the worst offenses for years. Their top young players, Posey and Lincecum, weren't steals or anything.

 

The Braves on the other hand, they've been a top flight organization for nearly 20 years.

Maybe I am missing something but what's so great about San Francisco? They've had a championship caliber rotation for years and also one of the worst offenses for years. Their top young players, Posey and Lincecum, weren't steals or anything.

 

The Braves on the other hand, they've been a top flight organization for nearly 20 years.

 

 

They won the World Series last year..

Beinfest is under contract through '15. He ain't going anywhere.

Maybe I am missing something but what's so great about San Francisco? They've had a championship caliber rotation for years and also one of the worst offenses for years. Their top young players, Posey and Lincecum, weren't steals or anything.

 

The Braves on the other hand, they've been a top flight organization for nearly 20 years.

 

 

They won the World Series last year..

 

I know, and Beinfest won a series in 2003. That doesn't mean they are the smartest guys in the business (not that I am saying they are anywhere close to dumb), but it means they did the best job with the pieces they had that year. I'm far more impressed by teams like Tampa Bay & Atlanta that have done an amazing job developing systems that produce talented major league players pretty much every season, especially considering that is what would have to be done in Florida for it to be successful.

 

San Francisco has taken the talented players that everyone would have taken in their position. Nobody was surprised that Buster Posey or Tim Lincecum were good.

 

It's interesting talking about the Giants though, considering the only offensive piece to do anything for them in the playoffs last year (to augment their amazing pitching) was literally given to them by our front office.

So...the Giants are overrated because they took good players that people knew would be good?

 

Meanwhile, the Rays had high draft picks nearly ever year for a long time, and they are geniuses.

So...the Giants are overrated because they took good players that people knew would be good?

 

Meanwhile, the Rays had high draft picks nearly ever year for a long time, and they are geniuses.

 

 

The Rays are geniuses because there are a lot of guys in their farm system who are top prospects that weren't top draft picks, in addition to the ones that were. Also, they knew when to cash in on a big time prospect (Delmon Young). Looking at their rotation right now, they've got two guys who were very high draft picks, so that's your theory. But they've also got three other home grown guys, two drafted in the 4th round and one in the 16th. That's an entirely home grown rotation, and a darn good one, and even when you take out the two high overall picks the Rays have 4 guys they found and developed, one of which is probably the third best pitcher in the AL at the present moment. And a 6th guy they have was also drafted in the 4th (Alex Cobb) and he's made 9 starts this year with under a 3.5 ERA. And let's add a little bit more to the pot here- Matt Moore, a pitching prospect as talented as any in the league, was called up today. He was drafted in the 8th round.

 

It's not that I think the Giants are incompetent, or even "overrated"- truthfully I don't hear their front office admired for their genius all that much so it just never came to mind when thinking of potential FO material for us. But there is a big difference between finding great players in the first round (which the Giants have done, the Rays have done, and the Marlins simply have not done enough) and finding great players all throughout the draft, which the Rays have done a lot more of.

It's interesting talking about the Giants though, considering the only offensive piece to do anything for them in the playoffs last year (to augment their amazing pitching) was literally given to them by our front office.

 

 

Are you sure that's interesting? I think it's more nothing.

So...the Giants are overrated because they took good players that people knew would be good?

 

Meanwhile, the Rays had high draft picks nearly ever year for a long time, and they are geniuses.

 

 

Also, they knew when to cash in on a big time prospect (Delmon Young).

First off, what?

 

Second, Young was drafted in 2003. That basically makes him irrelevant, considering Friedman and company weren't even there yet in 2003.

 

But really...what does that comment about knowing when to cash in mean? Delmon Young has been nothing more than an average big-leaguer; at times, you can make a case that he's been well below the average big leaguer.

 

Thus, I'm not really comprehending some of the points you're trying to make.

So...the Giants are overrated because they took good players that people knew would be good?

 

Meanwhile, the Rays had high draft picks nearly ever year for a long time, and they are geniuses.

 

 

Also, they knew when to cash in on a big time prospect (Delmon Young).

First off, what?

 

Second, Young was drafted in 2003. That basically makes him irrelevant, considering Friedman and company weren't even there yet in 2003.

 

But really...what does that comment about knowing when to cash in mean? Delmon Young has been nothing more than an average big-leaguer; at times, you can make a case that he's been well below the average big leaguer.

 

Thus, I'm not really comprehending some of the points you're trying to make.

 

I don't see what's so hard to comprehend. I wasn't claiming Young was great. They traded him for much needed pieces back before other teams figured out he wasn't going to be great. They cashed in on him before his value plummeted.