Any final word on his status for 2012?

 

With WAS getting Jackson, Javy would sure look nice as our #4 or 5.

 

Yeah, I know LB said the rotation was set, but still...........

Marlins recently said he convinced them he does not plan to pitch in 2012.

I saw this thread bumped, I saw Admin's name, I had hopes.

 

Those hopes were dashed, DASHED I TELL YOU!

Marlins recently said he convinced them he does not plan to pitch in 2012.

 

 

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Who cares? We don't need him.

Yeah, we've got solid pitchers (and for once Ricky Nolasco is playing at or close to his proper spot in the rotation).

Marlins recently said he convinced them he does not plan to pitch in 2012.

 

 

He ended his career on a high note. Crazy second half for him.

Who cares? We don't need him.

 

 

I care. He's a good pitcher, and would help the Marlins if he did return and signed with the Marlins.

Maybe you're forgetting the train wreck that he was at the first half of the season. It speaks volumes about his capabilities when the team is under pressure. I would've easily taken him had we not had a rotation of 5 and we were still looking - but there's simply no space or need for him right now. Your desire for his addition is dumbfounding... where do you expect him to be placed?

 

Oh, and he's not a lefty.

Maybe you're forgetting the train wreck that he was at the first half of the season. It speaks volumes about his capabilities when the team is under pressure. I would've easily taken him had we not had a rotation of 5 and we were still looking - but there's simply no space or need for him right now. Your desire for his addition is dumbfounding... where do you expect him to be placed?

 

Oh, and he's not a lefty.

 

 

His inability to pitch under pressure? That's a horrible excuse. That wasn't the reason he struggled. His velocity being where it was was a huge reason for his struggles. I saw how he struggled in the first half, but I also saw his dominance in the second half.

 

You can always find a spot for a good pitcher in the rotation. I consider him a better pitcher than Nolasco. If Vasquez had an intention to come back and sign with the Marlins, I would sign him and trade Ricky. Or, I would

Who cares? We don't need him.

 

 

I care. He's a good pitcher, and would help the Marlins if he did return and signed with the Marlins.

 

There's no longer any room for him in the rotation.

I'd rather have Nolasco.

Who cares? We don't need him.

 

 

I care. He's a good pitcher, and would help the Marlins if he did return and signed with the Marlins.

 

There's no longer any room for him in the rotation.

 

I would trade Ricky Nolasco and sign him.

Who cares? We don't need him.

 

 

I care. He's a good pitcher, and would help the Marlins if he did return and signed with the Marlins.

 

There's no longer any room for him in the rotation.

 

Uh, you make room for upgrades. If Vazquez was possible, either move Zambrano to the pen or trade him for a bucket of balls. We need all the production we can get.

Maybe you're forgetting the train wreck that he was at the first half of the season. It speaks volumes about his capabilities when the team is under pressure. I would've easily taken him had we not had a rotation of 5 and we were still looking - but there's simply no space or need for him right now. Your desire for his addition is dumbfounding... where do you expect him to be placed?

 

Oh, and he's not a lefty.

 

 

His inability to pitch under pressure? That's a horrible excuse. That wasn't the reason he struggled. His velocity being where it was was a huge reason for his struggles. I saw how he struggled in the first half, but I also saw his dominance in the second half.

 

You can always find a spot for a good pitcher in the rotation. I consider him a better pitcher than Nolasco. If Vasquez had an intention to come back and sign with the Marlins, I would sign him and trade Ricky. Or, I would

 

Horrible excuse? Go look at his track record in games that mattered. Compare that to his stats where things didn't matter. It's subjective, but it's quite obvious there's still a correlation.

But then your Getting a veteran that would most likely retire at the end of the season, you may be getting a really great Javy but let's not forget he was horrible for the first half.

 

You better be getting something damn good for Ricky.

Yea, I can't find statistical proof that he can't pitch under pressure. I don't think you can, either. At the end of the day, he's a good pitcher. Especially in the NL East. He's proved that he's better than Ricky Nolasco over the last 4 seasons. His numbers across the board are better than Ricky's, including WAR.

If I'm given a choice of Nolasco or Vazquez, I'm taking Nolasco. You don't move a pitcher in his prime for a guy who's unspectacular and only wants to pitch one more year. The year before last, he was awful. He started last year being awful. It's not as if he's guaranteed greatness if he were to comeback.

 

It's probably irrelevant as he's likely retiring, anyway.

 

As for moving starters to the bullpen, it's an inefficient use of money. + our bullpen is pretty deep, not as if there's much room out there either.

If I'm given a choice of Nolasco or Vazquez, I'm taking Nolasco. You don't move a pitcher in his prime for a guy who's unspectacular and only wants to pitch one more year. The year before last, he was awful. He started last year being awful. It's not as if he's guaranteed greatness if he were to comeback.

 

It's probably irrelevant as he's likely retiring, anyway.

 

As for moving starters to the bullpen, it's an inefficient use of money. + our bullpen is pretty deep, not as if there's much room out there either.

 

 

I disagree with taking Nolasco over Vasquez as I think Vasquez is better and he's proved it. I agree that it is a moot point, though.

Why is everyone talking about moving Nolasco in this hypothetical situation? The comparison is with Zambrano, who is coming off a much crappier season than Vazquez and is also only signed for one year.

 

How anyone can think this team is better off filing a rotation spot with Zambrano rather than Vazquez is kind of beyond me. And Zambrano is only making 3 million from us this season. That 3 million in the pen is not killing this team at the cost of getting better. Or trade him. The bottom line is you maximize production where you can.