Hugo Chavez is re-elected as the President of Venezuela for his 3rd term amid speculated widespread voter fraud. I was hoping this SOB would lose, but it looks like he will remain president of the South American country for another 6 years.

:blink: I thought people hated him.

But then again, if voter fraud did occur, then ...

I thought for sure that he was done. I did fear massive fraud, but damn, still so dissapointing!

"Record Turnout" aka ballot stuffing.

Poor Venezuelans voted for the guy that gives them free stuff. Same thing will happen here and that's tough to compete against.

109% turnout in a district = fraud.

eh. Venezuelan elections are actually pretty fair with a multitude of monitors etc, something maybe the US should try...

'Fair'

There is blatant voter fraud and it will continue as long as people can vote without proving who they are.

Off topic but...what do you guys think would happen in the states if there was blatant voter fraud?

 

 

Nothing. Nothing at all.

 

The party that loses because of it will file something to try and get another vote. The people supporting that party will fall in line. The other party will fight it, and their people will fall in line with them. Everyone else is going to be outraged, but ultimately will do nothing.

Off topic but...what do you guys think would happen in the states if there was blatant voter fraud?

 

 

Who is to say there isn't?

 

Not necessarily saying that the fraud might come on the high level or from the party, but perhaps from the biased, localized level?

There is always fraud and much of it is blatant, but unless we are talking 2000 Florida-level closeness, it is not a significant enough percentage.

eh. Venezuelan elections are actually pretty fair with a multitude of monitors etc, something maybe the US should try...

 

 

:knockout

Speaking of fraud... I just saw on the news that the Broward county elections supervisor supposedly did nothing about absentee ballots being sent to convicted felons and people who had passed away. She said that she had to wait for the state to do something about it, but they showed on the news that she had the power to make any changes needed to remove those people from the list of eligible voters, and that she has known about the problem for over a year, and continues to do nothing. Pretty crazy.

It is like Minnesota, where the state found that over 1500 felons illegally voted but only managed a dozen criminal cases.

Speaking of fraud... I just saw on the news that the Broward county elections supervisor supposedly did nothing about absentee ballots being sent to convicted felons and people who had passed away. She said that she had to wait for the state to do something about it, but they showed on the news that she had the power to make any changes needed to remove those people from the list of eligible voters, and that she has known about the problem for over a year, and continues to do nothing. Pretty crazy.

 

Here you have an election supervisor commiting fraud and you have people wondering whether there's fraud in our elections.

Speaking of fraud... I just saw on the news that the Broward county elections supervisor supposedly did nothing about absentee ballots being sent to convicted felons and people who had passed away. She said that she had to wait for the state to do something about it, but they showed on the news that she had the power to make any changes needed to remove those people from the list of eligible voters, and that she has known about the problem for over a year, and continues to do nothing. Pretty crazy.

 

Here you have an election supervisor commiting fraud and you have people wondering whether there's fraud in our elections.

 

lol! And like someone mentioned, 2000. Come on!

 

I do love how we like to shake our fist at Venezuelan elections which really are just fine especially when compared with US elections. In fact, they're probably more accurate/less fraud than US elections simply by the system used to cast votes. Capriles himself said there is no fraud. He did take issue with the election run-up of course.

 

What isn't fine is the lack of visibility Capriles got before the election. The fact even got 45% is pretty good all considering he was pretty muffled (ie Chavez wouldn't debate him, called him names etc). It's a shame cause I think Capriles would be a great moderate dude for that country. There's always 2019!

I really liked Capriles, and I think he would have been great for Venezuela.

This thread.

Capriles doesn't want blood in the streets. There is no change Venezuela has cleaner elections than the US. US fraud is so minor that it only plays into elections decided by hundredths of a percent and they fraud element is smaller than the human error element. When more people vote than there are eligible voters, it is not only fraud, it is the kind of blatant lie that only tyrants think they can pull off.

Capriles doesn't want blood in the streets. There is no change Venezuela has cleaner elections than the US. US fraud is so minor that it only plays into elections decided by hundredths of a percent and they fraud element is smaller than the human error element. When more people vote than there are eligible voters, it is not only fraud, it is the kind of blatant lie that only tyrants think they can pull off.

 

 

2000 is anything but "minor"....

 

And you obviously have no clue of how venezuelan elections work. Whatever.

Capriles doesn't want blood in the streets. There is no change Venezuela has cleaner elections than the US. US fraud is so minor that it only plays into elections decided by hundredths of a percent and they fraud element is smaller than the human error element. When more people vote than there are eligible voters, it is not only fraud, it is the kind of blatant lie that only tyrants think they can pull off.

 

 

2000 is anything but "minor"....

 

And you obviously have no clue of how venezuelan elections work. Whatever.

And you've made so many efforts to enlighten us....

2000 is anything but "minor"....

 

And you obviously have no clue of how venezuelan elections work. Whatever.

 

 

I would be interested to know how they work, but anywhere that has more votes than people is a result of fraud. There is no methodology that makes that legitimate.

 

And I did not say 2000 was "minor" I said fraud was minor and less than the margin of human error. If an election is decided by hundredths of a percent, more people just made an honest error in the process of voting than the number of persons representing the margin of victory.

Yes, there were ton of UN an other organisms supervising the election. No fraud was found.

 

And when you think a lot of people hate him, check where you read/listen or watch that. You might find a lot of hate towards Chávez on American TV.

 

You would probably don't find why people still elected him there.

 

Here's a good article by the NY Times.

 

http://www.nytimes.c...re-elected.html

 

"Since the Chávez government got control over the national oil industry,poverty has been cut by half, and extreme poverty by 70 percent. College enrollment has more than doubled, millions of people have access to health care for the first time and the number of people eligible for public pensions has quadrupled.

So it should not be surprising that most Venezuelans would reelect a president who has improved their living standards. That’s what has happened with all of the leftist governments that now govern most of South America. This is despite the fact that they, like Chávez, have most of their countries’ media against them, and their opposition has most of the wealth and income of their respective countries."