I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. There are always teams every season that don't have legitimate chances at making the postseason from the onset. But I guess you wouldn't understand that because you don't look at numbers from the prior seasons.

There are also 1-2 teams, every single year, that are competitive that were supposed to have no "legitimate chance" to make the post season...

I don't think that's true at all. On occasion, maybe, not that's not something that happens on a yearly basis by a long shot.

I don't think that's true at all. On occasion, maybe, not that's not something that happens on a yearly basis by a long shot.

So the Pirates were considered favorites? The Indians?

 

How about in 2012? The Orioles? The A's?

 

MAYBE the only exception here is last years Pitt team, but everything went right for them to make the post season, wouldn't you say?

Pittsburgh was on the cusp of making the playoffs for a couple years prior to 2013 before massive collapses. They just happened to avoid said collapse last season.

 

I'm not really sure why you said "[they] were considered favorites," considering only one of the four teams won a division (Oakland 2012). The other three made the playoffs through your name. [To me, "favorites" means they're expected to win the division]

The Indians, Orioles, and A's were not expected to sniff the post season. Not anywhere near even the wild card. Those were all SURPRISE teams, absolutely. Pitt to a mild extent.

I'll give you Orioles and Indians. A's and Pittsburgh, not so much.

Wild Card, those teams didnt have the...issues the Marlins have. i.e.:

A starting rotation made up of one guy followed by a bunch of 4th and 5th starters.

A fairly weak bullpen outside of a couple of arms.

Guys starting at C and 1B who should be platoon players at best.

Two of the worst hitters in baseball starting at 2B and SS(since Solano has somehow weaseled his way back into the lineup)

A bench player whos an awful hitter starting at 3B.

 

McGehee and Hechavarria have both fallen rapidly back to earth after their unsustainable first 5 games. Garrett Jones is terrible. Saltalamacchia is an empty uniform against LHP. Hechavarria and Solano are black holes in the lineup.

 

This team is deeply flawed and anyone who was expecting them to be good, or even decent, has no grasp of reality.

Wild Card, those teams didnt have the...issues the Marlins have. i.e.:

A starting rotation made up of one guy followed by a bunch of 4th and 5th starters.

A fairly weak bullpen outside of a couple of arms.

Guys starting at C and 1B who should be platoon players at best.

Two of the worst hitters in baseball starting at 2B and SS(since Solano has somehow weaseled his way back into the lineup)

A bench player whos an awful hitter starting at 3B.

 

McGehee and Hechavarria have both fallen rapidly back to earth after their unsustainable first 5 games. Garrett Jones is terrible. Saltalamacchia is an empty uniform against LHP. Hechavarria and Solano are black holes in the lineup.

 

This team is deeply flawed and anyone who was expecting them to be good, or even decent, has no grasp of reality.

 

Most of your points are correct, but Eovaldi is better than a 4/5.

Wild Card, those teams didnt have the...issues the Marlins have. i.e.:

A starting rotation made up of one guy followed by a bunch of 4th and 5th starters.

A fairly weak bullpen outside of a couple of arms.

Guys starting at C and 1B who should be platoon players at best.

Two of the worst hitters in baseball starting at 2B and SS(since Solano has somehow weaseled his way back into the lineup)

A bench player whos an awful hitter starting at 3B.

 

McGehee and Hechavarria have both fallen rapidly back to earth after their unsustainable first 5 games. Garrett Jones is terrible. Saltalamacchia is an empty uniform against LHP. Hechavarria and Solano are black holes in the lineup.

 

This team is deeply flawed and anyone who was expecting them to be good, or even decent, has no grasp of reality.

I doubt anyone with a Miley Cyrus avatar could provide credible insight...

I doubt anyone with a Miley Cyrus avatar could provide credible insight...

He's not entirely wrong, however.

Wild Card, those teams didnt have the...issues the Marlins have. i.e.:

A starting rotation made up of one guy followed by a bunch of 4th and 5th starters.

A fairly weak bullpen outside of a couple of arms.

Guys starting at C and 1B who should be platoon players at best.

Two of the worst hitters in baseball starting at 2B and SS(since Solano has somehow weaseled his way back into the lineup)

A bench player whos an awful hitter starting at 3B.

 

McGehee and Hechavarria have both fallen rapidly back to earth after their unsustainable first 5 games. Garrett Jones is terrible. Saltalamacchia is an empty uniform against LHP. Hechavarria and Solano are black holes in the lineup.

 

This team is deeply flawed and anyone who was expecting them to be good, or even decent, has no grasp of reality.

Um, this team is 8th in baseball in runs scored batting average. If that's terrible then you're expectations may be a bit too high. Now, I'm not saying this team is going to win the world series or make the playoffs but they are certainly playing good enough to give them credit for that.

 

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I'm not a pessimist, I just refuse to live in a fantasy land. I believe in tangible, real things like mathematics.

Then support them when they do something good instead of waiting when they don't. And I have nothing against math but if you base your conclusions solely on it your could wind up with egg on your face. There's more to dissecting a team, or anything for that matter, than just math.

 

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What does that even mean?

 

This is not a good team overall, so I'm not going to pretend it is. Intangibles mean next to nothing.

Um, this team is 8th in baseball in runs scored batting average. If that's terrible then you're expectations may be a bit too high. Now, I'm not saying this team is going to win the world series or make the playoffs but they are certainly playing good enough to give them credit for that.

 

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This team is going to be near the bottom in every category by the end of the year. They have already started regressing. The mistake you make is judging by ridiculously small sample sizes.

What does that even mean?

 

This is not a good team overall, so I'm not going to pretend it is. Intangibles mean next to nothing.

What does what mean?? Fine Johnny. Do as you wish.

 

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This team is going to be near the bottom in every category by the end of the year. They have already started regressing. The mistake you make is judging by ridiculously small sample sizes.

The mistake you make is not supporting this team, presuming you even are a fan, but if you wanna be negative then go right ahead.

 

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I support the team. You can support the team and still realize they area a very bad team.

I support the team. You can support the team and still realize they area a very bad team.

It's sad when I'm agreeing with Spike.

 

 

Edit - that's not to say I don't think this team is very bad, but his second sentence is 100% correct. I supported the team last year despite them being absolutely dreadful.

 

I feel this team is better than how they've played, but maybe not by too much.

What does that even mean?

 

This is not a good team overall, so I'm not going to pretend it is. Intangibles mean next to nothing.

You have clearly never actually played baseball. And don't lie and say you have.

You have clearly never actually played baseball. And don't lie and say you have.

You can understand how baseball works without having ever played it.

Same with football.

And hockey.

And basketball.

 

So this comment is quite irrelevant, and again, seems like you're just trying to instigate an argument that you will ultimately lose.

 

An argument that I will not be a part of, either, but come on, dude.

You can understand how baseball works without having ever played it.

Same with football.

And hockey.

And basketball.

 

So this comment is quite irrelevant, and again, seems like you're just trying to instigate an argument that you will ultimately lose.

 

An argument that I will not be a part of, either, but come on, dude.

Anyone who relies entirely on statistics to make their point and openly states intangibles mean nothing just did not play the game, and therefore will simply never understand why other people make the decisions they make or have the opinions they have. And it's funny, because people like penguino always think they're right because numbers say so. Sometimes you have to step out of your bubble.

To be fair, you always think you're right regardless of what anything says.

To be fair, you always think you're right regardless of what anything says.

That's entirely incorrect, I just hate it when people can ONLY form their opinion with statistics. Stats are cool, they just don't always tell every story. And to say things like intangibles don't matter or chemistry is irrelevant, those people obviously have never played the game and just don't have a clue.

So the Pirates were considered favorites? The Indians?

 

How about in 2012? The Orioles? The A's?

 

MAYBE the only exception here is last years Pitt team, but everything went right for them to make the post season, wouldn't you say?

 

None of those teams were considered "favorites" but those weren't the terms that we laid out for this discussion. You are bending them.

 

Secondly, you are talking about some examples over a two-year period, which wouldn't give evidence for something happening "every single year."

The mistake you make is not supporting this team, presuming you even are a fan, but if you wanna be negative then go right ahead.

 

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You can be a supporter of a team without placing your head in the sand by ignoring the numbers and pretending that the players are much better than they really are.