April 27, 201412 yr Author That's entirely incorrect, I just hate it when people can ONLY form their opinion with statistics. Stats are cool, they just don't always tell every story. And to say things like intangibles don't matter or chemistry is irrelevant, those people obviously have never played the game and just don't have a clue. This is basically a logical fallacy. I have never played at the professional level and neither have you, which is really all that matters. Also, people can also speciously perceive certain aspects of their game to be valid but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are.
April 27, 201412 yr This is basically a logical fallacy. I have never played at the professional level and neither have you, which is really all that matters. Also, people can also speciously perceive certain aspects of their game to be valid but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are. What does that even mean? Seriously I took nothing from this.
April 27, 201412 yr You can be a supporter of a team without placing your head in the sand by ignoring the numbers and pretending that the players are much better than they really are. This makes absolutely no sense Johnny. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk
April 27, 201412 yr This makes absolutely no sense Johnny. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk I dunno his post was pretty crystal clear to me.
April 27, 201412 yr At least Wild Card stopped using ellipses... I guess if we have to find one positive... It could be that...
April 27, 201412 yr Wait isn't Caminero interchangeable with Capps?!? Why don't we let Capps show his colors before we decide he's so much better than Caminero
April 27, 201412 yr Why don't we let Capps show his colors before we decide he's so much better than Caminero For someone who is so irrationally optimistic on marlins players it's bizarre you're down on our RP who throws 100 mph with a plus slider.
April 27, 201412 yr For someone who is so irrationally optimistic on marlins players it's bizarre you're down on our RP who throws 100 mph with a plus slider. Maybe the fact that he's been so hittable in the majors has me concerned.
April 27, 201412 yr Maybe the fact that he's been so hittable in the majors has me concerned. I'll have to agree, this is a little bit of a legit concern. Didn't look so bad today, thankfully. Can't exactly say last year was a "small sample size," either, 59 innings in relief and had an H/9 of 11.1. And now, we have to take the good (you made a good post there) with the bad. I hate to be that guy, Wild Card, but you kinda just went against your statement from yesterday. That's entirely incorrect, I just hate it when people can ONLY form their opinion with statistics. Stats are cool, they just don't always tell every story. And to say things like intangibles don't matter or chemistry is irrelevant, those people obviously have never played the game and just don't have a clue. Before today, we hadn't seen him. Thus, you based your opinion of Carter Capps entirely on statistics, did you not? Unless you watched the Mariners last year and haven't told us.
April 28, 201412 yr I'll have to agree, this is a little bit of a legit concern. Didn't look so bad today, thankfully. Can't exactly say last year was a "small sample size," either, 59 innings in relief and had an H/9 of 11.1. And now, we have to take the good (you made a good post there) with the bad. I hate to be that guy, Wild Card, but you kinda just went against your statement from yesterday. Before today, we hadn't seen him. Thus, you based your opinion of Carter Capps entirely on statistics, did you not? Unless you watched the Mariners last year and haven't told us. I certainly didn't follow the Mariners, but I absolutely watched video on him when we made that trade. His mechanics were an immediate concern for consistency reasons, keeping his delivery in check is going to be tough, and that will make it tough to throw strikes consistently. Keep in mind, 100 MPH with a nice slider is good but doesn't equal success. See: Matt Lindstrom
April 28, 201412 yr Author What does that even mean? Seriously I took nothing from this. The belief that intangibles matter a whole lot is merely a perception that players tend to consider to be real, but probably isn't. There's no way to prove it. There are plenty of players and managers who have also downplayed the role of "chemistry" and other things. Are they not qualified to have an opinion? Also, the team dynamics and motivations (financial among other things) in MLB are drastically different than high school ball, which is probably what you played.
April 28, 201412 yr Author That's entirely incorrect, I just hate it when people can ONLY form their opinion with statistics. Stats are cool, they just don't always tell every story. And to say things like intangibles don't matter or chemistry is irrelevant, those people obviously have never played the game and just don't have a clue. You say these things because you don't know how to use statistics and you are trying to make your idiotic opinions sound relevant. In your mind, the only way you can achieve that is by bashing something you cannot comprehend or properly apply.
April 28, 201412 yr Author I certainly didn't follow the Mariners, but I absolutely watched video on him when we made that trade. No, you didn't. And even if you did, you wouldn't know what to do with it.
April 28, 201412 yr No, you didn't. And even if you did, you wouldn't know what to do with it. All you did was read box scores. At least I opened my eyes and formed my own opinion.
April 28, 201412 yr Author I didn't read a single box score, actually. I looked at a statistical compendium of his entire performance to date and Pitch F/x data. I formed [my own] opinion based on that. Surely, you know that the "using your eyes" line has been the subject of mockery and ridicule on this board. As it should be.
April 28, 201412 yr I didn't read a single box score, actually. I looked at a statistical compendium of his entire performance to date and Pitch F/x data. I formed [my own] opinion based on that. Surely, you know that the "using your eyes" line has been the subject of mockery and ridicule on this board. As it should be. The game of baseball, to this day, is run by people who primarily make decisions by using their eyes. But you're cool.
April 28, 201412 yr The game of baseball, to this day, is run by people who primarily make decisions by using their eyes. Not ... really? Maybe in the Marlins FO, cause obviously they aren't 100% sure what they're doing, but for the most part, they're using stats.
April 28, 201412 yr Author The game of baseball, to this day, is run by people who primarily make decisions by using their eyes. But you're cool. Another logical fallacy. That's changing a lot by the year and becoming less true. Either way, just because the institution does one thing doesn't mean it's the best philosophy.
April 28, 201412 yr The game of baseball, to this day, is run by people who primarily make decisions by using their eyes. You're right, but that's a problem. Decision makers should be using their eyes to look at stats if they want to be successful. Teams like the A's and Rays would never employ a player like Adeiny Hechavarria because he "looks good" to the eye if his stats look like he's a one-armed toddler. (The Rays would, however, employ a rapist, a racist, and a vocal homophobe, but that's fit for another discussion)
April 28, 201412 yr (The Rays would, however, employ a rapist, a racist, and a vocal homophobe, but that's fit for another discussion) Who who and what? :lol
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