December 11, 201411 yr Just yesterday you all were botching about our 2B being Solano, Hernandez or Dietrich. Now it won't be. Celebrate Admin, Dee fucking Gordon and we lost Heaney and austin barnes who I will bet produces more WAR in his career than Dee. Come on man.
December 11, 201411 yr Author A lot of you seem to be valuing steals a lot more than you should. If I told you Donovan Cilantro suddenly developed the ability to steal 60 bases in a season, would you trade four MLB quality players for him?
December 11, 201411 yr Just yesterday you all were botching about our 2B being Solano, Hernandez or Dietrich. Now it won't be. Celebrate We gave up 4 players all 4 of them useful. for 1 guy. and that guy is no sure thing.
December 11, 201411 yr Dee Gordon fucking sucks. Stolen bases are almost as overrated as saves If you say so. Just yesterday you all were botching about our 2B being Solano, Hernandez or Dietrich. Now it won't be. Celebrate This. Good lord. We're a lot closer to competing then at any point post 05 yet let this board tell it, we literally just repeated the Cabrera trade by giving up Heaney (who struggled mightily at MLB level) and fillers for a cost controlled all-star 2B and a free Dan Haren.
December 11, 201411 yr If you say so. This. Good lord. We're a lot closer to competing then at any point post 05 yet let this board tell it, we literally just repeated the Cabrera trade by giving up Heaney (who struggled mightily at MLB level) and fillers for a cost controlled all-star 2B and a free Dan Haren. Heaney pitched for 29 mlb innings you doofus and the FO valued Nicolino more than him which shows how stupid they are
December 11, 201411 yr Admin, Dee fucking Gordon and we lost Heaney and austin barnes who I will bet produces more WAR in his career than Dee. Come on man. I'm not saying I love the trade or anything, but there are no guarantees that Heaney and Barnes become anything either. This is no way worse then Miggy, who was already an established star.
December 11, 201411 yr Author If I was Stanton I'd demand a trade We'd probably get Omar Infante and have to pay Stanton's whole salary.
December 11, 201411 yr If I was Stanton I'd demand a trade Over Heaney and Kike? Now you're overreacting over the shock of it all. This is not like trading Reyes, Buerhle and JJ.
December 11, 201411 yr Heaney pitched for 29 mlb innings you doofus and the FO valued Nicolino more than him which shows how stupid they are Why does that show how stupid they are? Nicolino may very well be the better arm over the long haul.
December 11, 201411 yr Bullshit. You want to say worse long term maybe but how are we not improved in 2015?
December 11, 201411 yr I'm just thinking in two years we've essentially traded our 2012 and 2013 first round draft picks for Jarred Cosart and Dee Gordon. In a bubble you could say we turned two first round picks into a starting pitcher and a starting 2nd baseman in the majors, which isn't all that awful. I just think when you're draft 6th and 9th that you want those picks to turn into cornerstone pieces of your team. I can't say Cosart and Gordon are key pieces of a championship caliber team. But then again top draft picks can easily bust out, so whatever. Hernandez/Barnes/Hatcher are casualties on the side of turning draft picks into major leaguers. On the small scale trading Heaney and Co. for Gordon/Haren doesn't seem all that good (although if Haren for whatever reason chooses to play for us and we're paying him nothing that deal gets a lot better), but in terms of turning assets into majors leaguers NOW the front office did alright. The problem is I don't see this team as a playoff team next year as currently constructed. Their on the verge, but there not in position to trade future pieces for a "Now" run, since that Now run is more likely an 80 to 85 win season. I don't want to look back and see Heaney being a great #2 starter and Hernandez is starting at 2B for somebody with Barnes doing his thing somewhere and being like "Those guys would look great in Marlins jerseys right now". You could look at it as our draft picks getting us a 2b and starting pitcher but the problem with Heaney is that he was a draft pick that "hit" and rose up the prospect charts after a good minor league season. Those guys are worth way more than draftees who haven't shown any success yet in pro ball. Plus we don't know that Gordon and Cosart will stick. Both could bomb next season and it wouldn't be that crazy. If Haren pitches for free that definitely helps. And I agree we aren't close enough to be trading top prospects. This trade should be the other way around.
December 11, 201411 yr LOL @ "All Star Second Baseman" True technically. Just like Uggla has that on his resume
December 11, 201411 yr You want to say worse long term maybe but how are we not improved in 2015? We're maybe improved by .5 wins assuming heaney doesn't breakout in 2015. From 2016 the odds are heavily stacked against us in winning this trade or even breaking even
December 11, 201411 yr Did we just trade a number 3 starter(Heaney's floor) a omar infante type utility player ( Kike's floor) a solid reliever (Hatcher) and a bench player(barnes' floor) for a 1-2 war second baseman(Dee's floor) and a pitcher who will retire? Heaney's floor is last season. No guarantee he ever becomes a regular starter. Better prospects have flamed out. Kike's floor could be he never cuts it as a major leaguer. I don't like this trade but you can't say Kike's floor is Infante and then say Gordon is a 1-2 war second basemen.
December 11, 201411 yr If the doyers paying Haren's salary was part of this trade than business as usual for Loria btw which probably cost us barnes. Can Jeter buy the fucking team already
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